In post 141, Aeronaut wrote:
Um, what do you like that BBT has done this game? From what I've seen almost every post is just pushing people to vote Dragon BUT refusing to say there's any reasoning behind it. I also haven't seen him comment on much else in-game. Why townread someone like that?
Glad you brought this up. I can see I have confused BBT with Gramr because of their blue avatars. While it does not change a ton, it definitely means something, because in my notes BBT had a reason to vote (#40), but that is in fact Gramr's post.
Nonetheless I still like the way BBT pushed the train, yet still questioned the suspicious votes (like Prolapsed Brain's). This makes me believe it is a push for info (to see who would join), and not just him tunneling on Dragon.
In post 145, Kitty Galore wrote:Hey there, so in watching the dragon wagon show, I have a couple of thoughts. I like keysers and aeronauts analysis and questioning.
My opinion of dragons response is that it is not an OVER reaction, it is a dragon reaction. I have played with him before and it seems like a typical dragon response. I don't see it being alignment indicative. I think serious votes on the wagon are bad.
You claim it is not alignment indicative, so why do you think serious votes on the wagon are bad? Do you believe he is town?
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beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
In post 145, Kitty Galore wrote:Hey there, so in watching the dragon wagon show, I have a couple of thoughts. I like keysers and aeronauts analysis and questioning.
My opinion of dragons response is that it is not an OVER reaction, it is a dragon reaction. I have played with him before and it seems like a typical dragon response. I don't see it being alignment indicative. I think serious votes on the wagon are bad.
You claim it is not alignment indicative, so why do you think serious votes on the wagon are bad? Do you believe he is town?
I read him as null right now, as it is early. I think the serious votes that are in response to his over defensiveness are bad, because I don't consider his response to be defensive, from him.
Regarding dragonspawn's alignment - do you think a
scum-aligned
dragonspawn would have wanted to drop the whole RVS vote thing ASAP and remove himself from the main focus? His stubbornness and lack of understanding on context is doing him no favours (including his defensive/retaliation vote on me) - I think scum would have backed down or tried to appease town. At least his wagon has divided everybody's thoughts, but I personally do not want to put him at L-1. I think he needs to take a step back and re-evaluate D1's RVS and start scum-hunting. Admittedly, his stand on RVS is effecting my read on him.
dragonspawn wrote:Anna isn't easy to read because she is still a newb. She could be scum but not willing to just assume so and I see no reason to rush anything.
I think this is a response to post 90. If I'm right, you're reading it wrong and I'm not sure what to make of that.
VOTE: dragonspawn
You were the only person to take a different angle on voting on dragonspawn's wagon. This intrigues me:
of the votes have been random. Not even the first vote which was omgus.
This seems really paranoid to me. It seems to disregard the possibility that random votes would not look random. It's a lot more fun to give a fake reason that's really random than to outright say "this vote is random".
In post 134, dragonspawn wrote:
You're pushing my wagon at the same time as questioning those on the wagon not voting for any of us. Who exactly are you scum reading? Because right now it looks like you are trying to look like you are scum hunting without actually putting your money where your mouth isn
Another example of seeing things as being more against him than they are. This kind of defensiveness is hard to read because it's at the very least anti-town.
dragonspawn wrote:Anna isn't easy to read because she is still a newb. She could be scum but not willing to just assume so and I see no reason to rush anything.
I think this is a response to post 90. If I'm right, you're reading it wrong and I'm not sure what to make of that.
VOTE: dragonspawn
You were the only person to take a different angle on voting on dragonspawn's wagon. This intrigues me:
VOTE: Shazam
Ok, but if you vote every time something intrigues you, you'll be switching votes an awful lot.
In post 160, Shazam wrote:Another example of seeing things as being more against him than they are. This kind of defensiveness is hard to read because it's at the very least anti-town.
Good point, I found that post very paranoid too - if he re-reads my posts he'll realise I wasn't trying to get him lynched, I was just analysing his 'logic'. The fact he voted for me too reeked of desperation too. All non-alignment indicative defensive behaviour though. I'd prefer to see him scum-hunting then being on the back-foot before I analyse him further.
dragonspawn wrote:Anna isn't easy to read because she is still a newb. She could be scum but not willing to just assume so and I see no reason to rush anything.
I think this is a response to post 90. If I'm right, you're reading it wrong and I'm not sure what to make of that.
VOTE: dragonspawn
You were the only person to take a different angle on voting on dragonspawn's wagon. This intrigues me:
VOTE: Shazam
Ok, but if you vote every time something intrigues you, you'll be switching votes an awful lot.
I am selective with the timing of my votes.
I like your earlier point.
Do you still stand by your first reason for voting dragonspawn? Or has his defensive-reactions added to your scum-read of him?
I will keep my vote on you for now, as I have an unnerving worry about your quick reply to my vote. If you are town, I hope you understand.
Swordmaster voted on you, and you called it OMGUS. So Garmr put a RVS vote on you and then you reacted to the vote.
Except there was absolutely nothing to Indicate that garmr or bbt were making random votes as they both immediately voted for me when I said omgus. Their votes looked like a serious reaction to me saying omgus so I provided a serious response.
And why wouldn't I provide a serious response to what appeared to be serious votes? Why wouldn't I make a note of it or be curious? I'd do the same if it was someone else they were reacting to.
Keyser, I think the issue you address with your latest image is just coincidence. It's not ike he's been lurking hardcore or anything. Choose your battles.
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In post 163, Prolapsed Brain wrote:Keyser, I think the issue you address with your latest image is just coincidence. It's not ike he's been lurking hardcore or anything. Choose your battles.
Yes, probably an innocent coincidence. But my vote can still encourage reactions...
Got a few minutes before my next meeting, so I have an opportunity to write down some thoughts. I don't have a big enough window to do an in-depth reread, so need to shoot from the hip here.
Keyser is giving me uncomfortable feelings of matching the "scum leading town" or "too town to be scum" tell. Things turn out bad when I miss these signs. I'd rather put a weak scum read here and have it improve over time than dismiss him and have it bite me later.
Hard to tell if Shazam beetlejuiced or if this is merely the time he's online. Must wait to see if a pattern of posting times develops. That's a really weak tell though so I'm leaving him null for now.
I agree that Dragonspawn's reaction seemed more defensive than it should be. But I do that as town myself at times, so I can't really scum read him for it. OTOH I haven't really seen anything that screams town either. I won't go into details on what the deciding factor might be, as it's not a good idea when scumhunting to coach possible scum on how they'd get me to town read them.
BBT still gets a weak town read. Pushing wagons for dubious reasons is ok early in D1. Kinda like the submarine tactic of firing a torpedo to see what direction your contacts move.
Garmr bugs me but I'm not sure exactly why. It's pure gut, and I don't mind admitting it.
Pedit: @dragon The weak read on BBT would be limited time only. The torpedo trick only works once, then he gets to do actual scumhunting.
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Thinking about it I like it better on Bella right now. Besides the main reason I wanted to Change to Keyser was to get him to actually take a stand and mKe some votes and reads. He is doing that now.
In post 145, Kitty Galore wrote:Hey there, so in watching the dragon wagon show, I have a couple of thoughts. I like keysers and aeronauts analysis and questioning.
My opinion of dragons response is that it is not an OVER reaction, it is a dragon reaction. I have played with him before and it seems like a typical dragon response. I don't see it being alignment indicative. I think serious votes on the wagon are bad.
This whole post contradicts itself... you say you like the questioning from Key and I, but then below you say that any serious votes on that wagon are bad? Me and Key are serious votes on that wagon.
Thinking about it I like it better on Bella right now.
Do you see her post #107 as possible active lurking?
A kind of a narration of events but not pushing anyone/or committing to anything so as to not raise attention? Also laying the foundation to placing a vote on your wagon later?
In post 145, Kitty Galore wrote:Hey there, so in watching the dragon wagon show, I have a couple of thoughts. I like keysers and aeronauts analysis and questioning.
My opinion of dragons response is that it is not an OVER reaction, it is a dragon reaction. I have played with him before and it seems like a typical dragon response. I don't see it being alignment indicative. I think serious votes on the wagon are bad.
This whole post contradicts itself... you say you like the questioning from Key and I, but then below you say that any serious votes on that wagon are bad? Me and Key are serious votes on that wagon.
Thinking about it I like it better on Bella right now. Besides the main reason I wanted to Change to Keyser was to get him to actually take a stand and mKe some votes and reads. He is doing that now.
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Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.
In post 80, davesaz wrote:Hmm, looks like pushy BBT. I've seen this personality both as scum and town. I like the questions, so makes me lean town a little.
Interesting. If you have seen me do it as both town and scum, why would you give me a lean town read?
In post 86, dragonspawn wrote:
Garmr is probably town. If he was scum hr would probably be bussing his partners right now.
Thinking about it I like it better on Bella right now.
Do you see her post #107 as possible active lurking?
A kind of a narration of events but not pushing anyone/or committing to anything so as to not raise attention? Also laying the foundation to placing a vote on your wagon later?
Pretty much. I'm sure when she posts more ill get a better read. But it seems a good place to start.
