Open 41-Quicklynch Nightless GAME OVER!, before 492

[IH]

unvote, vote:DA

If scum 'accidentally' hammer, with only three members, they are stupid.

[IH]

WIFOM vote: IH "Scum won't hammer in this game" is a horrible idea to infer. If it spreads unchallenged the mafia will have a much easier time forcing mislynches by hammering. I'm going to be highly suspicious of any player that cast the hammer vote on a mislynch.

Think newbie game. Lynch -2 and Lynch -1 is not dangerous. It would cost way to much for scum to hammer.

Plus I don't understand how that is stupid, unless you try to defend someone with that argument.

err, what Khev said.

[IH]

lets see if you are right. unvote vote:discordian algorithm

Foolishness. you will do nothing but prove my point that it is not dangerous.

For your point to work, a townie would have to hammer you. As a townie, would you hammer someone?

My point was that it is not dangerous.

THis is just like any other nightless game, btw. You can look at the town's position in terms of "lives" With 12 alive and three scum the town has 6 lives. For every mislynch the town loses a life. For every scum lynch the town gains a life.

The scum only have three lives, so they're going to have to be much more cautious with there votes,so as to stay hidden more. Calling them into question could be potentially disastrous with this large a margin of error, though it becomes dangerous when the quicklynch aspect is brought in later.

So it is going to automatically be much more dangerous for scum to hammer somebody, and I would assume they are going to be even more careful with their votes from the town.

Which is why I said "Only stupid scum would hammer someone"

[IH]

Ok, now here is where the zero tolerance policy comes in. This is why you don't hammer someone as a townie quickly.

Vote:Kaosfere

If we allow someone to live after a quickhammer, we are allowing scum the best tool in this game.

Kaosfere, you are also a fool.

[IH]

You can FoS me all you want, but the reasoning stands. If we allow Kaosfere to live, we are giving scum a very important tool in this game.

[IH]

Ok. Now that should make it clear. Any other speed lynches will be dealt with as such.

[IH]

Mmk Deathsauce.

First of all DA wanted to test it out. She called out the policy about quicklynches (which I am still unsure why.)

Kaosfere then violated it by hammering. For some unknown reason he also felt the need to test the policy.

Now discussion should theoretically be able to go on unhindered by random speedlynches. Town should not do it regardless. Scum will be discouraged by it, as they will be lynched.

I didn't expect we'd have to lynch someone to get this through someones head, but with the special voting rules of this game, I felt after someone hammered, we should instill this even more.

[IH]

I'm not trying to be condescending = ( I'm trying to explain why something happened.

I'm also very annoyed someone actually made the play that they did.

Though you've never seen me be sarcastic?

[IH]

Well I try not to be sarcastic in newbie games, because they take you too seriously.

Here I was being neither though. ;_;

[IH]

JD. Now look at the situation. Now look at the precedent that has been set. So we should let people who speedlynch live? Just wondering where you're coming from there.

Also, I feel that Deathsauce is most definitely stating raw facts, but not looking at the situation. He has pretty much ignored what happened.

I'm also unsure about JD and Gatorguy.

Vote:Deathsauce

[IH]

Also, I feel that Deathsauce is most definitely stating raw facts, but not looking at the situation. He has pretty much ignored what happened.

Lack of context in lynches.

Are you saying it isn't suspicious that you and Khelvaster both happened to be on quicklynch wagons? Are you trying to make us go through this whole WIFOM argument again? I can not believe the pace of this game, there is no reason for us to be down two players on page three, and two players in this game hold the majority of the responsibility for that.

You continue to refuse to look at the context. I said NOTHING about a wifom argument (I'm assuming you mean "IF I WAS SCUM I WOULDN'T DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF)

I was on the first lynch because I voted DA, who voted herself, who was then quicklynched by a townie.

I was on the second lynch for a meta that is

important

to this game.

People should remember that this game requires less number of votes to vote people out. You should be more careful with your votes. With 4 votes required to lynch, even 2 votes can be interpreted as a bandwagon.

That was exactly why we just lynched Kaosfere. So we don't have to fear where we put our votes. We have to be careful to make sure we don't accidentally hammer, but if anyone prematurely hammers, they should be lynched post haste.

[IH]

IH seemed really happy to hop on the Kaos BW, and he voted right after I did. Linking himself to a town? Quite possibly.

Vote: IH

Pointless since I had already set the precedent out. So it could be said that you were actually following my directions, aka following me.

unvote, vote:Khev

Seriously, opportunistic scum.

SirT, it's not different, but it is more important. I mean I don't understand. Why would you let someone speedlynch? Why would you allow that person to live?

[IH]

JD, why is your vote on Khev?

[IH]

Ok. Look at it like this.

Towies should NEVER quicklynch, because they will be lynched afterwards. This therefore discourages it all around (scum too).

If someone tests it, we have to follow through to show we're not just bluffing. Thats why the town lost the last Bad Idea I think.

Therefore if we have instilled a fear against a quicklynch, we don't have to worry about putting more than one vote on someone without a quicklynch happening if they're town.

Thats how I see it anyways.

[IH]

THere is a clear cut difference from lynching and speedlynching.

[IH]

first of all

unvote

I'm unwilling to let a lynch happen again atm.

Second of all, my vote was on Khev from his post 82

I replied as such

IH seemed really happy to hop on the Kaos BW, and he voted right after I did. Linking himself to a town? Quite possibly.

Vote: IH

Pointless since I had already set the precedent out. So it could be said that you were actually following my directions, aka following me.

unvote, vote:Khev

Seriously, opportunistic scum.

[IH]

....... Seriously.

1.I would like to get a little bit more information out of this day, that was the whole point of yesterday.

2.Being on both wagons is a moot point.
A.Why was I on the DA lynch? For contesting that speedlynches weren't scummy (essentially). She then voted herself, stating she was at lynch minus one. I felt it necessary to leave her there as I seriousy didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to hammer, town or scum.
B.Kaosfere DID hammer, even stupider as townie. Why? apparently so say "NUH UH WE CAN DO IT! SEE!" What he didn't seem to realize is the only thing it does is help scum by GIVING THEM THE TOOL TO SPEEDLYNCH. That is why this game is called quicklynch nightless. Thats why there are only three scum instead of 4, the proposed advantage is that the scum can speedlynch easier.

[IH]

I'm saying I was on her wagon to prove a point that got out of hand.

I was on the Kaos wagon to enforce a point that was crucial.

[IH]

This is getting stupid. = |

[IH]

The people who are suspicious of me, could you please state your reasons as such?

If you think it's because I was on both wagons, would you please point out how my reasons were invalid?

[IH]

Though you voted us before that transpired.

I would rather you answer my second question as well.

[IH]

Excuse me, you didn't vote me, but you did FoS me, and expressed heavy suspicion against me.

[IH]

Could we have it changed back to day 3? Or is it day 4 with the same votecount, and the mod just wants it to be a nolynch?

Also Deathsauce, assume someone else had unvoted, as I personally didn't see Khev's post. Would you be just as suspicious of me? Would you just dismiss it?

[IH]

Ah, Khev was a townie.

I would like Deathsauce's thoughts, asap.

[IH]

Ok, my thoughts.

I think it is slightly less likely that you (IH) are scum now that Khel has come up town, but you are not cleared by any means. Khel himself was in favor of your lynch because he felt you had "attached" yourself to him. Since he came up town that's a point against you

However, I need to do a full re-read and see who else pops up on the scumdar since my pairing of you and Khel was mistaken. I hope to see some good analysis from our new players as well.

Surprise surprise. So, what does that say about me? That, instead of trying to help out my scumbuddy(which I was apparently bussing), I was instead linking myself to him, so he would be lynched when I would?
Just curious how valid you actually think that is.

I also don't see the answer to my other question.

SirT is correct in Estes wishiwashiness

IH - do you think we should now lynch paradoxombie then?

vote:Groinhammer

Clearly you should pay attention. There was not a hammer. There was a mod mistake.

[IH]

OMGUS, or you not reading and just trying to push a case on me again?

Also you continue to refuse to read, and instead look at my vote. "OH EM GEE OMGUS!" Another view that you're not reading. Just looking at votes, and trying to base attacks off of them.

[IH]

gah, I keep forgetting I'm in two nightless games. Bleh.

I also fail at reading, and rescind my accusations of groin hammer.

unvote

I will go over the rest in a bit, but I think this day should EVENTUALLY end in a Para lynch. Note the word right there. EVENTUALLY.

[IH]

IH, that post rings of nothing other than scum trying to get the town to do his dirty work. And possibly an attempt at distancing.

You are the one that has been advocating the death of all players who speedlynch. Do you think paradox's hammer votes were too speedy? If so then you should be voting him based on your own statements. Seems like another case of inconsistency between your words and your actions.

If Para comes up town, I will be suspicious of Deathsauce for trying to get through this lynch even quicker. The second speedlynch served the purpose that we will "lynch someone back", we eventually need longer days, and in this game longer days are our greatest tool. We've had two quick ones, and one was my fault to instill a point.

Long days=better for the town. Especially here.

[IH]

If he comes up scum it's a null tell.

If Para comes up town, it means that more than likely Deathsauce was trying to rush a lynch before the town would get to talk.

If he comes up scum, it could mean Death is just being an anxious townie, or it could be scum bussing.

[IH]

Deathsauce, when I say the day should end eventually with Para's lynch, you'd think you understood what that meant.

You voted in two speedlynches at the beginning of the game. One of them had this to say:

Yes but I wasn't pushing for that persons lynch is the thing. I told DA that nobody would speed lynch her. She then foolishly put herself at minus one, and hoping that no townie would be foolish enough to do so, I told her nobody would lynch her at minus 1 that early in the game.

Then Kaosfere came in and proved me wrong (as well as the hope that everyone thinks for some degree for their actions). That lynch was the main one that should alert all townies and scum that, if they speedlynch someone, we will "lynch them back". I seriously was suprised that kaosfere came up town myself. On the whole, newb town is usually even

more

cautious than newb scum.

Now I will show you one or two things I DO NOT like.

I point to IH as the most probable player to be scum with my dying hand.

I don't like you using this statement at all. Especially since you don't say anything about it. You don't say if you think it's true or false, you just quote it and let the rest of the town decide on it before you actually commit to it.

Same with Khev's quote.

FoS

[IH]

It does not surprise me at all to learn that you don't like me pointing out that two of our 3 dead townspeople have thought you are scum.
It is a fact, however, and one of the milder reasons I am suspicious of you.

What should surprise you is that it is highly irrelevant that they were suspicious of me, since they know about as much as anyone else in this game (except for the scum of course)

You think the day should end with paradox's lynch, but don't vote for him. Interesting. All that shows me is you are trying to get someone lynched but don't want your name on the vote count again.

I know, I know, you are claiming it is so we have a longer day to gather information, I just don't believe that is the real reason.

It should be a simple string of logic.

We need a longer day with everyone's imput.

The day ends with a lynch.

A lynch in this game isn't a majority but four votes in fact.

Para is at lynch minus two.

I would put Para at lynch minus 1.

The day ends to easily, and would lead to an even quicker day tomorrow.

Therefore, to have a longer day, I need to hold onto my vote for the time being.

[IH]

why. Is that an OMGUS fos?

[IH]

I call shenanigans! Quicklynch clearly=\=quick deadline. You're just forcing the town to make it even harder to stop a quicklynch, which is what this setup is supposed to be all about, to see if it can have discussion without repeated quick lynches, isn't it? Isn't that the entire hook?

Also, no motzarella sticks for you.

[IH]

Mod, I also submit to you we just came out of a

weekend

where many players cannot post.

[IH]

Bleh, if the deadline is not being retracted...

Vote:Paradoxombie

[IH]

unvote

Will respond to Groin hammers post sometime soon