NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[Annarchy]

ISO read Fire

pls no ;~;

[Keyser Söze]

I am a pretty good lynch.

Is it your intention to be lynched?

I want Firebringer to catch up with the thread and post some

solid

reads before I choose to vote for him. Indecisiveness and weak votes/reads are not always scum alignment-indicative - but at the moment he is giving me no reasons to town-read him.

Thoughts on Fire Keyser?

BlueBloodedToffee's good observations: [post 1495]
Looking at Firebringer's ISO, yes, the following assumptions can be made:
- possible bussing attempt
- evidence of weak vote
- evidence of weak town read
- opportunistic reasoning
- possible scum vs scum distancing

In addition:
- failure to read the thread thoroughly before voting

Firebringer is firmly in my uncomfortable list.

[Keyser Söze]

Rc did something useful.
We got lucky with Dave.
But I tend to agree garmr is my likely scum unless he is on another scum team.
Which considering the flip I tho k we have a vig and a SK.

Can you please add notes to each sentence explaining each one.

[FA_Q2]

Rc did something useful.

We got lucky with Dave. But I tend to agree garmr is my likely scum unless he is on another scum team. Which considering the flip I tho k we have a vig and a SK.

Was this supposed to mean something because this makes no sense at all...

[FA_Q2]

Well, my reads are obviously screwed and BBT brings up some very valid points on fire.

VOTE: fire

[Keyser Söze]

Let's be a little more explicit for Firebringer's benefit. The D1 lynch occurred at L-1 because there is a hidden vote in play. We don't know if it is a double voter, a silent voter, or what. In that light, any L-2 is a L-1.

BTW, I'm certain the Bella/Dom/Firebringer slot is town. Just so you know, observing my posts can show you, all you need to know is, the wagon on me is on town. I would be more circumspect if the count were lower, but it is a virtual L-1 in my eyes.

@MOD, V/LA until Sunday late afternoon.

Going camping and no internet on the mountain.

Forefinger didn't replace Dom he replaced kop

Firebringer stupid autocorrect

Oh, good catch. This ought to provide some interesting information if dave is lynched. He was townreading a slot without even knowing who the replacement was.

So... davesaz confuses the

Annarchy

-TheDominator37-Bellaphant slot with the

Firebringer

-Kop slot. He says he is "certain"

Firebringer

-TheDominator37-Bellaphant is town.

Then... davesaz flips mafia... the JoaT (1-Shot Ninja, 1-Shot Doctor, 1-Shot Cop) of all things

@Shazam, what are your thoughts now on the implications of davesaz's town-reads after his flip?

[Keyser Söze]

I dont like dave's wagon considering all my scum reads are there and I scum read garmr so my vote is better served there.

I actually like the honesty of this statement i.e I do not think scum would have been brave enough to say it.

[Shazam]

I will read more thoroughly, but with 4 votes on Firebringer, I want to quickly say DO NOT VOTE FIREBRINGER. I will explain in a bit if I feel it is necessary.

[Keyser Söze]

Summary of Titus' reads of davesaz and her comments on the davesaz wagon (pre-flip), while her vote remained on garmr:

Garmr, that post looks shockingly similar to the allegations placed on me in NY 181 that it was a nonsensical scum gambit by me.

I don't think Dave is scum here

. I am not 100% sure what he's saying but his frustration looks similar.

Titus asks Kitty Galore: "What do you think of

Dave

?" (post 1215)

@Ank, I would skim the ISOs of

Dave

, Garmr, and Dragon if you didn't feel comfortable adopting my no read play style.

@Garmr, I'll bite. If we're going the sarcastic route, I can play that.

Why should I vote your buddy Dave over you?

You've been wierdly buddying me by using expressions found in your scumgames, getting into laborious 1 v 1 s with Dragonspawn, who I think is town and not providing much strong evidence.

Titus shares her read of davesaz to Garmr:

I think he's townier than you

. I see nothing amazing but nothing that pings me either.

@BBT - Here's what I think of Dave.

I think he's [Dave's] townier than you [Garmr]. I see nothing amazing but nothing that pings me either.

I'm not. I'm just saying

Dave is not likely scum with the double voter

. That says nothing about single v multiball.

[

To analyse later in conjunction with the counter-wagon analysis

]

[Bulbazoor]

Shazam. Fire is not playing like I usually see him as town. And that is worrying me.

[Shazam]

@Shazam, what are your thoughts now on the implications of davesaz's town-reads after his flip?

Let's be a little more explicit for Firebringer's benefit. The D1 lynch occurred at L-1 because there is a hidden vote in play. We don't know if it is a double voter, a silent voter, or what. In that light, any L-2 is a L-1.

BTW, I'm certain the Bella/Dom/Firebringer slot is town. Just so you know, observing my posts can show you, all you need to know is, the wagon on me is on town. I would be more circumspect if the count were lower, but it is a virtual L-1 in my eyes.

@MOD, V/LA until Sunday late afternoon.

Going camping and no internet on the mountain.

He said the Bella/Dom slot (AKA Annarchy) was town, even though HE DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS IN THE SLOT, because he said Firebringer. I believe he "townread" the slot because he was familiar with Bella/Dom being his scumpartners, but forgot who replaced in. VOTE: Annarchy

This makes more sense than the alternative view, which would be that he knew his current scumbuddy, but not their predecessors.

After thinking it over, I would prefer that people trust me and stop voting Firebringer rather than me explaining.

[Titus]

Rc did something useful.

We got lucky with Dave. But I tend to agree garmr is my likely scum unless he is on another scum team. Which considering the flip I tho k we have a vig and a SK.

How would that work though? There's a lot of missing kills that make no sense.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I think I get that Shazam.

[Aeronaut]

Rc did something useful.

We got lucky with Dave. But I tend to agree garmr is my likely scum unless he is on another scum team. Which considering the flip I tho k we have a vig and a SK.

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I dont like dave's wagon considering all my scum reads are there and I scum read garmr so my vote is better served there.

I actually like the honesty of this statement i.e I do not think scum would have been brave enough to say it.

I dunno about that, really. It's not a particularly strong position to take.

@Shazam, what are your thoughts now on the implications of davesaz's town-reads after his flip?

Let's be a little more explicit for Firebringer's benefit. The D1 lynch occurred at L-1 because there is a hidden vote in play. We don't know if it is a double voter, a silent voter, or what. In that light, any L-2 is a L-1.

BTW, I'm certain the Bella/Dom/Firebringer slot is town. Just so you know, observing my posts can show you, all you need to know is, the wagon on me is on town. I would be more circumspect if the count were lower, but it is a virtual L-1 in my eyes.

@MOD, V/LA until Sunday late afternoon.

Going camping and no internet on the mountain.

He said the Bella/Dom slot (AKA Annarchy) was town, even though HE DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS IN THE SLOT, because he said Firebringer. I believe he "townread" the slot because he was familiar with Bella/Dom being his scumpartners, but forgot who replaced in. VOTE: Annarchy

This makes more sense than the alternative view, which would be that he knew his current scumbuddy, but not their predecessors.

After thinking it over, I would prefer that people trust me and stop voting Firebringer rather than me explaining.

UNVOTE:

[Aeronaut]

Shazam, I feel like it's also possible that Dave had used his Cop at that point, and may have known that the slot was town and therefor was saying that for towncred.

[Aeronaut]

Therefore* damn autocorrect

[Aeronaut]

Wait how do you spell that? Both look wrong to me now

[Keyser Söze]

Let's be a little more explicit for Firebringer's benefit. The D1 lynch occurred at L-1 because there is a hidden vote in play. We don't know if it is a double voter, a silent voter, or what. In that light, any L-2 is a L-1.

BTW, I'm certain the Bella/Dom/Firebringer slot is town. Just so you know, observing my posts can show you, all you need to know is, the wagon on me is on town. I would be more circumspect if the count were lower, but it is a virtual L-1 in my eyes.

@MOD, V/LA until Sunday late afternoon.

Going camping and no internet on the mountain.

He said the Bella/Dom slot (AKA Annarchy) was town, even though HE DIDN'T KNOW WHO WAS IN THE SLOT, because he said Firebringer. I believe he "townread" the slot because he was familiar with Bella/Dom being his scumpartners,

but forgot who replaced in

. VOTE: Annarchy

This makes more sense than the alternative view, which would be that he knew his current scumbuddy, but not their predecessors.

After thinking it over, I would prefer that people trust me and stop voting Firebringer rather than me explaining.

The mod has stated that scum have day chat - surely davesaz would have acknowledged either Annarchy or Firebringer replacing-in, in the scum thread - and not "forgot".
Thoughts?

[Keyser Söze]

Shazam, I feel like it's also possible that

Dave had used his Cop

at that point, and may have known that the slot was town and therefor was saying that for towncred.

Mafia already know who town are...

Does this indicate that there truly is a third scum-faction? Why would mafia need a cop role?

[Aeronaut]

Well, seeing that there was three kills it's pretty likely they don't

[Aeronaut]

Hence the cop ability

[Keyser Söze]

Shazam, I feel like it's also possible that

Dave had used his Cop

at that point, and may have known that the slot was town and therefor was saying that for towncred.

Mafia already know who town are...

Does this indicate that there truly is a

third

scum-faction? Why would mafia need a cop role?

Second.

[Shazam]

Shazam, I feel like it's also possible that Dave had used his Cop at that point, and may have known that the slot was town and therefor was saying that for towncred.

This is possible. It's not likely though. Why would he use the Cop that early? And if he DIDN'T use the Cop ability N1 (the more likely scenario) he would not have known that the slot was town (don't forget that if it's multiball like most of us think, davesaz knew it).

The mod has stated that scum have day chat - surely davesaz would have acknowledged either Annarchy or Firebringer replacing-in, in the scum thread - and not "forgot".
Thoughts?

This is precisely why I think he forgot. The predecessors would have likely posted in the scum chat, but the replacement might not have, or might not have done so extensively.

Shazam, I feel like it's also possible that

Dave had used his Cop

at that point, and may have known that the slot was town and therefor was saying that for towncred.

Mafia already know who town are...

Does this indicate that there truly is a third scum-faction? Why would mafia need a cop role?

Yes, I think most of us understood that it was multiple scum factions a while ago.

[Aeronaut]

??

P-edit @Key

@Shazam that's true.

[pisskop]

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