In post 222, talah wrote: In post 85, Aj The Epic wrote:No and I've not said that or implied that anywhere. As I said, I generally just wait for RVS to pass.
I'll try to take this at face value but I hope you can understand my problem.
You say you're not interested in RVS, but you drop an RVS vote with an RVS reason. And then engage in a little banter about Cat avatars and squiggles.
So you in fact are participating in RVS, just doing nothing to propel the game out of it.
I've been sorta-skimming along on mobile at work, so I know after this point when you're feeling pressure of a few votes, your entire attitude changes and you transform into a quite agressive poster targeting I think Luna.
So that gels with wanting to wait until RVS is over, I suppose. But it does seem rather more reactionary than insightful, at least on the surface. I'll need to read your reasoning in more detail.
But I just wonder why you'd bother dropping a vote which is completely and utterly useless, rather than simply withholding your vote until you saw a good use for it.
It seems like a good way to try to blend in and avoid attention. Or maybe distance from a buddy.
However, I realise you've posted more so will catch up.
My understanding of RVS comes from failing it multiple times. You vote, talk about random shit and wait for people to say it's over.
Now, what I like about RVS is when I replace in, I can look at wagons and try to figure out motives in the light of other posts down the line. However, don't expect me to be good at it. I almost got lynched my first game on site claiming I wouldn't drop a vote because I thought RVS was stupid. Pirate_Mollie and Mastin2 had other opinions about it. Since it's random voting, I generally do what I know: just drop a vote and talk for a while.
As for me playing aggressively, once I start you might as well get used to it. If I see something I don't like, I generally hound it. There's two reasons for it: 1.) if you start calling people on misteps, it helps prevent apathy and the town won't go silent. 2.) It will help you understand my stance on everything and it also helps me get answers.
Anyways, to me everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Which is absolutely why I hate what Luna's doing.
"Blah blah blah friend me on facebook blah blah blah I'll try harder".
A lot of fluff but at least he didn't call you town. There hasn't been a lot of content from him but we could say the same for IaI, Luna and ESPECIALLY Zakk. In fact, I almost forget he's in the game but for the fact that he posted 224, which made me read talah's question again (Hint: It's not exactly easy on this one's small brain).
In post 214, catboi wrote: In post 211, Aj The Epic wrote:I mean, you can't even point to another post. There's 4 of them, since I counted, and none of them have any relevance here. So catboi, the real pressing question is: Are you a mind reader?
To which the answer is no and I'd like to know how you're stating with so much faith that you understand this hidden implied meaning IAI is sticking behind this deep post. It's almost as if you took his post, made an apple an orange then called it a mango to attack wicked with. IaI's post was exactly as wicked said: He said RVS was over and voted for an RVS wagon. Like I could put that in direct quotes for wicked and you can reference that to the post above. And so he's justifying his vote for no reason? No, says I! You simply have to use the implict thought-line to find the true meaning of Wicked's vote.
And really, if it is such a misrepresentation to for me to say that you say IaI's post's contain valid reasons, why did you say that exact phrase?
So this being said, what say you, catboi?
P-edit: Oh do I cry over my shortcomings, m'Lord catboi. Forgive this humble Stooge for his inability to quoth the Raven every time and squander upon thee needless hours and precious space of thine's electronic cellars for the holiest of your words which does so exist on the same scroll! This servant so humbly wished only for thine master's blessings in being short, as I am, and concise, which I do so fail to be! Shall it be twenty lashings for this failure stooge?
Touchy, aren't you~
His vote was clearly serious. I don't know his exact reasons, of course, but he found your posts scummy, quite possibly for the same reasons I did. That's not hard to figure out. Sometimes people don't need to justify votes right away. Trying to paint it as an "RVS wagon" is willfully ignoring the facts.
I never have claimed his reasons are valid, as I do not know them (though they may be). I said they believed their reasoning was valid. That is also very easy to see and understand. I was literally going to make the same joke about RVS being over, because I was serious. (of course, this kind of groupthink is something easily latched on to by experienced scum. I explicitly don't have a read on IaI because of this.)
So please don't freak out when I ask you this: are you just being dense, or are you scum? I've tried to be as clear as possible in explaining what I mean. I really don't think it's that hard to parse " entirely self-evident that
Innocent felt he had valid reasons
for making the vote regardless of anyone else's vote". Are you having trouble understanding this sentence? I'm not saying in there at all I think their reasons are valid. That's not the way their sentence is structured. I'm saying IaI thought he had a valid reason to vote, or in other words, that his vote was serious. Which is...exactly what he said?
I thought that would be clear the first time I explained it to you. My kneejerk reaction is to call you scum trying to attack me by misrepresenting my statement, but that's because I didn't like the way you started the game and I'm biased against you. I can't really know if you're having trouble with reading comprehension for some reason (this is not intended as an insult), so I've tried to explain it as clearly as possible. Do you understand what I am saying with regard to his vote?
Lastly, over the top sarcasm in response to me criticizing that you seem to be picking and choosing parts of my post to respond to...is also a bad look. :3
I think I might start erasing random sentences so you can think it's scummy but actually have to read my quotes to notice.
In my defense, not needing to justify a vote right away might suggest to do it in the near future in which he's had 130 posts and about a day to do so. I don't question him being serious, I don't remember IaI joking much in the one or two games I played with him. However, it was clearly an RVS wagon.
Loaded question aside, I think I interpreted what you said as you saying IaI's reasons were valid as opposed to IaI felt his reason(
-> still not giving him credit for any other reasons until he says them) were valid.
I rarely post whole quotes unless the whole quote is relevant. Less quote space is less overall clutter. They're generally linked though.
In post 219, Performer wrote:
Aj saying appeasement is like a scumtell, by itself, I don't think so....
*inserts obviously cut quote with only relevant parts only partially because passive-aggressive responses are necessary given above context*
Oh come on, appeasement on a large scale is an easy scum tell for beginner scum. A lot of people who are uncomfortable with the role think the best option is to not draw attention to themselves. They'll not step on any fingers, not make any assertions about someone being scum unless it's a popular opinion and in general try to avoid being one of the focuses of conversation. It also is a terrible way to look for scum since calling someone town is almost never going to get a thoughtful answer from that person. More importantly, it's really fucking hard to argue with someone agrees with you all the time.
Sure, I often have the mentality that bad for the town might as well be scum and I think that appeasement as a policy is absolutely wretched. However, if you want to see this as a scum tell, go play a few beginner games and only vote for players who appease (unless they're mentors, in which case those guys are hopefully better at playing scum). I guarantee you win. Hell, even some advanced players I love to play with have an awful time as scum and try to avoid conflict because of it. If you have low comfort as scum, this is an easy scum tell.
Am I making an assumption about Luna's comfort level? Absolutely. I was about to make a comment about her join date (even with offsite experience, it probably can't be too much more than 2 years) but then I noticed only IaI, catboi, talah, myself and in the game have over two years onsite. My point still stands.
