NY 190: Molla's Large Normal

[I Am Innocent]

Talah, I was skeptical of performer too. When the veegee wagon got going, I said I didn't trust the shady cats on that wagon so I didn't join. While not explicitly saying it then, he was one of those shady cats.

But when that soft claim came, performer was under no pressure. I saw no scum motivation for it, but a huge town one esp if he has the role I think he does. If that role is outted, it will lose its effectiveness. So no I don't want a claim and I want this wagon to die. If I'm wrong, well then there are still other scum to try to find/lynch. If I'm right well performer very well could help get town a win.

I continue to feel like I'm saying too much on this. My question to you is, who else is scum to you? Alternative question cause I don't want confbias against performer in there: who is scum assuming I'm right and performer is town?

[Vedith]

Vedith was going to be happy to drop a vote on FAQ even though he didn't seem to understand fully what the vote would be about

You keep saying this, but I did get it.
It's actually yourself that doesn't understand my point on the matter.

To be honest, lynching me won't be the worst thing because I doubt I'll get involved too much here until Banana is lynched or killed. The game has already been ruined for me for his actions and others could see that.
I'll answer questions as and when but I won't put high effort into this while I can do that on other games.

[talah]

@Vedith - get over yourself. I'm not voting you today and would compromise on Banana at this stage (egh along with the lurkers I guess if it came down to it).

Talah, I was skeptical of performer too. When the veegee wagon got going, I said I didn't trust the shady cats on that wagon so I didn't join. While not explicitly saying it then, he was one of those shady cats.

Changed man, because of the revelation of a *different* claim, are you?

But when that soft claim came, performer was under no pressure. I saw no scum motivation for it, but a huge town one esp if he has the role I think he does. If that role is outted, it will lose its effectiveness. So no I don't want a claim and I want this wagon to die. If I'm wrong, well then there are still other scum to try to find/lynch. If I'm right well performer very well could help get town a win.

It was his first post after confirming. No shit there was no pressure.
You're trying to ride catboi's opinion.

The role crumb is outted already. Thing is PGOs don't make themselves investigation targets for town PRs.
Did you read my post?

I continue to feel like I'm saying too much on this. My question to you is, who else is scum to you? Alternative question cause I don't want confbias against performer in there: who is scum assuming I'm right and performer is town?

Let me help you with this:
Paranoid Gun Owner on Mafiascum Wiki
There, it's out.

Now what do you think about the actual merits of the "softclaim"?

[I Am Innocent]

It's not a PGO, they should hard claim D1.

[I Am Innocent]

Interesting I hadn't seen him use the word paranoid in his first three posts. I was assuming the crumb was in his 7th post.

If he is a PGO, he should hard claim now and I might reverse my thinking on that wagon.

[talah]

Sorry, so your opinion is that they crumbed 3 roles and the third is probably correct and you feel you should hide that from the rest of town but they should hard-claim it today?

[I Am Innocent]

I thought he crumbed 1 role, not PGO not vig, something else a bit more valuable and one that would require some hints being left D1

[talah]

I'm not going to switch my vote to you on principle because it derails my own wagon.

[I Am Innocent]

If he is a PGO or vig, yes he should probably claim at this point. If not, I think he should remain silent in case I'm right.

[talah]

I thought he crumbed 1 role, not PGO not vig, something else a bit more valuable and one that would require some hints being left D1

So you think he didn't crumb either of PGO or Vig?
I'm not interested in looking at further crumbs right now. I just want to know how the Vig / PGO crumbs escaped your attention.

[talah]

Because we have fairly straighforward roles in a normal and none have anything you'd functionally want to protect the identity of more than a PGO.

[I Am Innocent]

PGO is just as dangerous to town as it is to mafia. I've always seen it claimed (or fake claimed) D1.

Vig needs no soft claim. I've probably seen more fake vig claims than any other role on this site.

He made a comment that caught my eye that lines up with a role I'm familiar with that makes me believe he has that role. If you think I'm blowing smoke than vote me. If performer is alive D2 and doesn't have anything to contribute, I'll out what I thought that role was. If he has something to contribute than I am probably right.

[I Am Innocent]

@performer, are you a vig or PGO?

[talah]

Alright then.

Performer crumbed PGO in hi Post 2, 3 and possibly 10.
He crumbed Vig in his 6 and 10.
He's gone with the poisoning and homocidal maniac attitude throughout, which I took as an allusion to SK, but okay I can see that might be a stretch.

You're saying you ignored all that and his Post 7 holds the key, and "whoa, shouldn't be outted".

Here's his post 7 and if he's going to crumb like an idiot he deserves to be outted, and we'll make of it what we make.
I'll say at this point that a completely useless PR isn't helpful anyway unless they draw a nightkill, so again, I would have thought PGO in a normal game is the role you'd try to protect most tightly - and my rationale in not caring if it was PGO was that he'd already made himself a target for any Town visitor roles that we might have.

Here it is - the triumphant 3rd crumb that IaI believes in:

linkin park turns 20 next year
linkin park lyrics are a great way to make me think about replacing out

linkin park is turning 20? that's awesome...first mv I saw of theirs - Crawling....is a fantastic song...
no worries, I will post different lyrics later...linkin park has awesome songs though...I think it suits depressed, bipolar, or paranoid people...


As for replacing out...
Don't...
we need your humor in this dark, dreary world

The sonic you brought back, I bit into the burger and got food poisoning. I got nausea and vomited but it didn't kill me...
so you're still off on the hook at the moment, choof...

"we've been out of rvs for quite some time now, is there something explicit you're looking for with those questions?"

No...nothing explicit, nothing obvious to anybody else...but I am trying to decipher
how Vee will help or harm us....

[talah]

PIf you think I'm blowing smoke than vote me.

I do think you're blowing smoke, and I'm already voting scum.

[talah]

Sorry I typoed your quote there.

[I Am Innocent]

Actually this is his seventh post. Why the first post on this site is labeled #0 is beyond me.

Because of Vee's 298 admission and his hilarious signature to further defend himself, I designed

one

set of questions for him.

It starts with one
One thing, I don't know why
It doesn’t even matter how hard you try
Keep that in mind, I designed this rhyme
To explain in due time
All I know
Time is a valuable thing
Watch it fly by as the pendulum swings
Watch it count down to the end of the day
The clock ticks life away
(linkin park – in the end)

Consider my questions a response to your 387 and 407...

Vee, what do you think about that song? Especially about the part, "it doesn't even matter how hard you try?"

Briefly tell me about your school. Do you like the school you go to?
What is the last thing you ate for lunch at your school?
If you weren't in school...what would you be doing? And tell me, why?
What is the weather like in your city at the moment?
If I were to ask your friends, would they say you're an honest person?
Have you ever lied to someone? If so, what was it about what?
How do you feel about lying in general?
Has your lurker activity been brought up past games, like it was brought up by catboi in this game? Low-hanging fruit, he mentioned. I'd imagine ripe fruit at that level can be picked, washed, bitten into, and would taste delicious. But I'd prefer a professional do the follow-up process because I wouldn't want to encounter nasty bugs that will kill me after eating a poorly-washed low-hanging fruit.

Back to FM.
If your lurker activity has been brought up before, what do people normally say about that?
Are they usually right or wrong? Why?
Would you say you're a better mafia or town player? Why?

And...if I were to shoot you on night 1
what do you think about that?

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302 : talah, it's because I was afraid they were messing with me like mafia would. I was future projecting that they were going to kill me first...that's what mafia does, they kill people...so I was afraid...
Two people who misquoted within a moment of each other, I wanted to see what they were up to...but like I said earlier, maybe I'm just paranoid...so they are off my radar at the moment...

There's a 2nd player I recognize...with his entrance, I'm afraid he'll vote me for my play style...which I don't want him to...
I don't want to die today...2nd player, what do you have to say for yourself...be honest, you can't escape the truth at night...

talah I'm curious...do you know who I speak of...
these 2 mystery players...


Aj's 313 has a point. I've heard about and personally witnessed lurkers who ruin the game for town. This ties back to the above questions toward Vee. I think it will be important for me and others, to determine if Vee is town or scum, the sooner the better. Then we don't have to wait until he gets on at night (limited time for him) or wait another 6 days for another time he can post, if he can't post on weeknights.


335 - catboi .... I don't mean to be obnoxious...I don't think I would ever use that as a playstyle...one person who comes to mind as obnoxious is RadiantCowBells


338 - Zak, what do you say to Ved's question...
Are you normally a brief poster?..why or why not?...
I'm curious about this as well..
therefore I am keeping an eye on Zak on top of Vee...

[I Am Innocent]

1) I can't tell if you're being serious or trolling or what.
2) It seems like your attention is like bits and pieces everywhere.

Luna
I'm not trolling, St Constantine does that but not me...please don't worry about that...
if's any consolation
just think of me as the awkward guy at work
I'm just asking Vee some questions...like if I was Vig and shot him
what would he think
I don't do heavy personal insults. Please don't be concerned...

It's interesting that talah thought I'm trying to call attention to myself
but you verbalize that my attention is in bits and pieces
but really, I am afraid to die...
it's the same concern that I imagine
everyone else has

Actually this is the post that ultimately swayed me.

[talah]

So you're ignoring PGO and Vig as simply distractions from this very important, and probably legitimate crumb?

[I Am Innocent]

Fine, read that lost post of performers and tell me it doesn't line up with hider, k? Hider needs to crumb their target in case they die, but can't crumb it if scum knows their a hider cause it can take out 2 players in 1 shot at night!

Happy now?!?

[talah]

I have zero understanding of what the crumb is and this is not a crumb that would help me at all if Performer was lynched.

I would have to be in the know - ie with a pre-discussed agreement that he would crumb - to even look at these posts twice.

Someone would need to know in advance that Performer was going to crumb and be looking for it. And point it out.

So you're scum with Performer. How's that going for you?

[I Am Innocent]

I'm off to work, I need to cool down anyway...

[I Am Innocent]

Screw u, I've been a hider before so I know how it works.

[talah]

Hider um I mean they take the same action as the actual target right.

[talah]

I think I was hider in a game a year ago or player with the role and it wasn't helpful.