NY 190: Molla's Large Normal

[Salamence20]

FA ignoring me other than bullshit setup spec to discredit me.

Man Im so fucking good at molla games.

[FA_Q2]

I note that you failed to state why you were so bent on pulling the NK. I also don't understand how you thought your actions would actually draw the NK

The reason is implicit, duh. Somebody has to be targeted for kills at Night. Better somebody who

doesn't

have a cool role.

And it's obvious why Performer might think that his actions (in a perfect world in which he executed them properly) would draw a nightkill because people were literally speculating about him being a power role in the thread. So congratulations, you know exactly why he did what he did, just that he did it with not nearly enough subtlety. Given what I've seen of Performer so far on the site, I find it much easier to chalk that up to raw inexperience than a calculated effort to deliberately try to fake a townslip.

you were clearly a lynch candidate and it would have been dumb for scum to have targeted you IMHO.

Attacking the results rather than evaluating the original intention <<<<<<<

Fair enough.

[ChannelDelibird]

As I understand it, strongmen are usally X-shot.

That would make sense.

As I understand it, strongmen are usually not X-shot. See? I can apply an insignificant sample size too!

The point I made earlier is that, in a world in which town has two multiple-night-self-confirming roles and a multiple-BP doc to protect them, telling scum that their strongman is limited-shot (thus increasing the chances that they do not make a strongman kill on Night 1) is highly likely to leave them massively on the back foot if that's their only counter to a town team that can spread confirmation all over the game and keep that confirmation protected. Like, assuming there's not a massclaim on Day 1, scum in that scenario are highly likely to be a long way behind the town. That's what I'm really struggling to reconcile here. Unless scum have some kind of ridiculous superpowers (which a Night without kills makes less likely, though far from impossible), the kind of town power being talked about here is

beyond ridiculous

. So I think it's very likely that a scum strongman in this scenario would have to be unlimited, and the fact that we had no kill last night therefore tells me that either scum have something different to a strongman or, more likely, the scenario being proposed is bullshit.

[FA_Q2]

FA ignoring me other than bullshit setup spec to discredit me.

Man Im so fucking good at molla games.

I have nothing to say to your 2 massive lines of 'content' on me.

There is nothing to discredit. It is not 'bullshit' either.

[FA_Q2]

As I understand it, strongmen are usally X-shot.

That would make sense.

As I understand it, strongmen are usually not X-shot. See? I can apply an insignificant sample size too!

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman

Strongman is usually X-Shot. It is usually scum-aligned, but has been seen on Town Vigilantes as well (where the overall role is called Juggernaut).

It is not based off an 'insignificant sample size.' An unlimited strongman is certainly possible but it does not make any sense to me.

The point I made earlier is that, in a world in which town has two multiple-night-self-confirming roles and a multiple-BP doc to protect them, telling scum that their strongman is limited-shot (thus increasing the chances that they do not make a strongman kill on Night 1) is highly likely to leave them massively on the back foot if that's their only counter to a town team that can spread confirmation all over the game and keep that confirmation protected. Like, assuming there's not a massclaim on Day 1, scum in that scenario are highly likely to be a long way behind the town. That's what I'm really struggling to reconcile here. Unless scum have some kind of ridiculous superpowers (which a Night without kills makes less likely, though far from impossible), the kind of town power being talked about here is

beyond ridiculous

. So I think it's very likely that a scum strongman in this scenario would have to be unlimited, and the fact that we had no kill last night therefore tells me that either scum have something different to a strongman or, more likely, the scenario being proposed is bullshit.

If strongman were unlimited then roles like doc and bp are almost useless.

I guess I can see that as a possibility but considering the results we know that is likely not the case. Are you willing to put enough stock in that idea that you hang the BP Doc?

[Salamence20]

Youre defending of Zakk was terrible not to mention he was your counterwagon.

Thats good enough to warrant a vote from me.

Almost Im 99% youre flipping scum now so wheeeeee

[ChannelDelibird]

It is not based off an 'insignificant sample size.' An unlimited strongman is certainly possible but it does not make any sense to me.

We all have our experience biases. The majority of times that I've played with a strongman, it has been unlimited. Like, I wouldn't bat an eye at either variation, but as I'm saying, I think unlimited is the more likely pick if a mod starts with a town BP doc and two unlimited friendly neighbours, and as an unlimited has been more-or-less-disproven... etc. I've just said this. The specifics of our experiences with strongmen aren't important. It's that 'well strongman i guess' isn't a good enough response to the claimed roles.

Are you willing to put enough stock in that idea that you hang the BP Doc?

Pretty much. Aj's behaviour Today is what makes me go from 'something about this is wrong' to 'the claimed BP doctor is what's wrong'. His recent posts strongly suggest that he is scum who knows that Luna is town (scum are more sensitive to writing people off as 'conf town' just on Day behaviour because they see the door shutting on a mislynch), and I can believe two friendly neighbours much more easily if there's no goddamn bulletproof doctor granting them immortality.

[FA_Q2]

Youre defending of Zakk was terrible not to mention he was your counterwagon.

Thats good enough to warrant a vote from me.

Almost Im 99% youre flipping scum now so wheeeeee

Sorry I pointed out the reality of the idiocy in Zakk's wagon.

You do not waste your day one lynch.

[BBmolla]

VOTECOUNT TWO POINT JUAN

AJ THE EPIC - 3 - TITUS, VEDITH, CHANNELDELIBIRD,
FA_Q2 - 2 - SALAMENCE20, AJ THE EPIC

NOT VOTING: PERFORMER, THEWORST, TALAH, LUNA FOX, I AM INNOCENT, FA_Q2, SKYBIRD, VEEGEE

DEADLINE: (expired on 2015-10-17 07:05:00)

WITH 13 ALIVE IT TAKES 7 TO LYNCH

[Salamence20]

Youre defending of Zakk was terrible not to mention he was your counterwagon.

Thats good enough to warrant a vote from me.

Almost Im 99% youre flipping scum now so wheeeeee

Sorry I pointed out the reality of the idiocy in Zakk's wagon.

You do not waste your day one lynch.

My vote would be on AJ for the same reason, but he seems VI to me.

Titus is good at driving mislynches, especially when she isnt pressured early. Think of her as a quarterback, if you hit her early and often, she shows off her true colors. If she isnt bothered, she will do alot of damage to the opposite team.

[Salamence20]

Vedith looks better than Titus.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: FAQ2
I'll sheep

[Skybird]

OK, Sorry, I didn't get notice that this day finally started. I sent my message to VeeGee. And wth? Worst is a friendly neighbor too?

I just started reading the day and am on page 48, just so you all know.

[Salamence20]

VOTE: FAQ2
I'll sheep

I dont want sheep. I want results.

AJ is trolling or just VI.

[Luna Fox]

I dont want sheep. I want results.

What kind of results? i already said everything i wanted about FAQ2 on D1, along with the fake towntell and stuff.

[Skybird]

Performer, you say you are going to play differently D2. So what are your reads?

[Skybird]

I'm still thinking wtf? with Worst's claim of FN. I also don't like AJ outing himself as the doc if he really is that.

[Salamence20]

I dont want sheep. I want results.

What kind of results? i already said everything i wanted about FAQ2 on D1, along with the fake towntell and stuff.

Then dont say youre sheeping.

"Sheeping" indicates that you dont give two shits about this wagon or you dont care about who dies. I for one do think he is going to flip mafia because he was the counterwagon to zakk and the way he treated his counterwagon. I dont like his D2 play so far and there are nitpicky stuff in his iso. I like this way better than AJ. The more I think about it, the more AJvTitus looks town (Titus isnt one to not pick fights after all).

I have not read D1 as a whole yet. I had some time during my radio show to skim some pages but never had time to do anything detailed other than skim wagons and see what I think.

[Luna Fox]

In that case i'll link you to my 244

[Salamence20]

I never seen anyone fake townslip before, also its kinda meh to me.

Regardless my vote stands

[FA_Q2]

I dont want sheep. I want results.

What kind of results? i already said everything i wanted about FAQ2 on D1, along with the fake towntell and stuff.

Then dont say youre sheeping.

"Sheeping" indicates that you dont give two shits about this wagon or you dont care about who dies. I for one do think he is going to flip mafia because he was the counterwagon to zakk and the way he treated his counterwagon. I dont like his D2 play so far and there are nitpicky stuff in his iso. I like this way better than AJ. The more I think about it, the more AJvTitus looks town (Titus isnt one to not pick fights after all).

I have not read D1 as a whole yet. I had some time during my radio show to skim some pages but never had time to do anything detailed other than skim wagons and see what I think.

Stating that I am scum because I was on the counter wagon of a town flip is beyond idiotic.

[FA_Q2]

I dont want sheep. I want results.

What kind of results? i already said everything i wanted about FAQ2 on D1, along with the fake towntell and stuff.

Then dont say youre sheeping.

"Sheeping" indicates that you dont give two shits about this wagon or you dont care about who dies. I for one do think he is going to flip mafia because he was the counterwagon to zakk and the way he treated his counterwagon. I dont like his D2 play so far and there are nitpicky stuff in his iso. I like this way better than AJ. The more I think about it, the more AJvTitus looks town (Titus isnt one to not pick fights after all).

I have not read D1 as a whole yet. I had some time during my radio show to skim some pages but never had time to do anything detailed other than skim wagons and see what I think.

Stating that I am scum because I was on the counter wagon of a town flip is beyond idiotic.

never mind. I was being idiotic. I read that totally wrong.

[FA_Q2]

I'm still thinking wtf? with Worst's claim of FN. I also don't like AJ outing himself as the doc if he really is that.

Technically, worst did not claim it - AJ did.

I don't really see a viable scum tactic of fake claiming FN.

[Titus]

I'm still thinking wtf? with Worst's claim of FN. I also don't like AJ outing himself as the doc if he really is that.

Technically, worst did not claim it - AJ did.

I don't really see a viable scum tactic of fake claiming FN.

InuYasha mafia.

Scum claimed FN when I got them wagoned D1.
Dead guy got the message twice.
Sent to scumbuddy.
In multi ball.
No one shot either one.

Most frustrating town game EVER for me.

[Titus]

Youre defending of Zakk was terrible not to mention he was your counterwagon.

Thats good enough to warrant a vote from me.

Almost Im 99% youre flipping scum now so wheeeeee

Sorry I pointed out the reality of the idiocy in Zakk's wagon.

You do not waste your day one lynch.

My vote would be on AJ for the same reason, but he seems VI to me.

Titus is good at driving mislynches, especially when she isnt pressured early. Think of her as a quarterback, if you hit her early and often, she shows off her true colors. If she isnt bothered, she will do alot of damage to the opposite team.

Then why haven't you tried to hit me?

P.S. Ty for the complement.