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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:04 am

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In post 1974, ChannelDelibird wrote:Well, your reaction to Salamence certainly looks like you're telling the truth.

If you'll just excuse me for one second, I'll just be in the corner, having my head explode. That makes AJ look about a billion times worse.

In a way, yes it does. I think that tallah had a valid point here though:
In post 1558, talah wrote:See... this is why I don't understand this rabid push on claims when there was no nightkill last night.
Let me fix it for you.
Scum has a Jailkeeper and a Strongman and two goons.
Town has the roles that claimed and one other weak investigative role.

Balanced yet? Or scum-sided now?
Also Molla's no slouch with the combined roles (thanks to I think Salamence who posted this Molla game he'd played in).


IAI had better have something useful.
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:57 am

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Well FAQ's claim lines up with mine.

X-shot Vig (at this time I don't think it benefits anyone but scum to reveal the X)

I shot Talah last night. I'm sure that is probably going to irk some people in here, but the way I saw it, he was my top scum read that was going to be near impossible to be lynched. When he didn't die, and a claimed BP Doc said he did not target him, I figured one (or both) of him and AJ were scum, and that
if nobody claimed to have targeted Talah and he didn't claim BP, he was likely confirmed scum
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Sorry FAQ, if you really are town aligned, you are down a shot
. May want to consider giving me a list of names that you would BG'd tonight so I stay out of that area.

Obviously my thoughts have changed:

1) Anyone that thinks town has 2 FN's, a 2 shot BP Doc, a 2 shot BP BG, and a vig is just insane. There is too much coordination that could go on starting D2 that would have even a 5 man scum team trembling.

2) FAQ is almost certainly only scum if Talah is, so no reason FAQ should be getting any more votes until we see Talah's flip.

3) AJ's claim with 1 vote still feels the most forced/fake of any here to date. I could see scum AJ panicking after nobody died and a vote coming his way. I still see little motivation for town AJ to do it.

4) I think the FNs should be given at least one more night before we even consider lynching them. Of the two, the first seems more shady to me, as Choof twice reacted badly when pressure started coming his way (first throwing a bunch of votes around, and later the claim with minimal pressure). Then again, the second did involve AJ and the chances of scum fake claiming an odd role like that which just happen to really be in the game is also minimal.

To me it comes back to the 5 town claims. There is no way town is that powered, and of the claims, the shadiest is still AJ.

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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:57 am

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PS - Also another reason why I never thought Performer was claiming vig... ;)
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:01 am

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PPS - I just came from a game with a 2 shot vig and mafia doctor, so that also crossed my mind as AJ claimed.
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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:46 am

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In post 1972, Skybird wrote:CDB, I agree, this is a weird game.

My gut feel is VG is town. That's part of why I chose to send him a message.

I still have Luna and Talah as town and I think Titus is town too.

I've been thinking AJ was town but I'm worried that he is scum trying to play town leader.


Off-topic: Titus, hope you feel better soon!

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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:51 am

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VOTE: Aj
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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:56 am

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The quote from my last post was ignored because I forgot I grabbed it.

In post 1972, Skybird wrote:I've been thinking AJ was town but I'm worried that he is scum trying to play town leader.


Really? I've not been able to do much of anything today, so I don't understand what would lead you to believe that. Your statement is very disconnected considering that this day has been going on for nearly a week.


FA_Q2's claim is too easy. He's counterclaiming someone who has been under pressure all day, could've done so earlier and more importantly, IaI outted himself by asking FA_Q2 if he had bulletproof (and to indicate any other target other than himself). And quite simply, his role can't exist side by side to mine.
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:58 am

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Yet an FN can exist side by side with another, right Aj?
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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:59 am

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@AJ - That's objectively the wrong vote if you believe FAQ visited me and IaI targetted me with a vig shot last night.
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:59 am

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Also 2-Shot BP BG is more believable than 2-shot BP Doctor, since the BG loses Bulletproof when protecting.
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:59 am

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They're provable.

Didn't IaI say he targeted FA_Q2?
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:00 am

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In post 1985, Aj The Epic wrote:They're provable.

Didn't IaI say he targeted FA_Q2?

IaI targeted talah and talah didnt die.
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:01 am

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Okay, no he stated tallah.

All I'm going to say is this: I'm not lying about the doc claim. However, I was hoping to not die the subsequent night.
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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:02 am

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In post 1983, talah wrote:@AJ - That's objectively the wrong vote if you believe FAQ visited me and IaI targetted me with a vig shot last night.


No, it actually isn't in the case that IaI is scum with FA_Q2. If someone is scum in this scenario, the only certainty is FA_Q2.
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:02 am

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It is possible you're not lying about being a doc, it is possible you're lying about being Town, i can perfectly fine see a Scum Doc as a counter to a town vig.
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:04 am

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Lynch me then, but when I flip town you take out Fa_Q2 followed by IAI if he can't prove his vig.
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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:10 am

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Guess I'm rereading AJ because, damn, that one post really did strike me as town, but that's now up to about one million reasons why his claim is dreadful and I find it hard to imagine myself voting for someone else in the circumstances.
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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:12 am

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Personally I just find it funny (like raised eyebrow, sorta ha-ha funny) that Titus replaces into a game and suddenly another "Vig" is happy to claim they've shot me despite the fact I've been reasonably well townread.

@IaI can you point to where you indicated anywhere that you had a vig role, or that you were thinking about shooting me, yesterday?
Did you look into any of my scum meta before making that decision?

Anyway I'm still taking it easy for the weekend so bbl.
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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:15 am

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Scum doc makes sense. The whole I was shot but healed Luna so you should townread her was awkward.

Why can't we consider Skybird, Veegee, Talah and Sal as the scums though? Or does that not work with night actions

Then again 4 bps seems really unfair

Probably voting AJ when I feel better.
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:16 am

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What does my subbing in have to do with claims Talah? I was there yesterday, stopping a Performer lynch.
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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:35 am

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His claim has been all kinds of sketch for not healing the claimed FN, then again, FAQ didnt heal the claimed FN either, but FAQ's role has more of a risk than a doctor.
There's still in question the missing scum night kill however.
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Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:42 am

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@AJ, Do you stand firm in eliminating you being lying town?
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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:43 am

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Once AJ answers that, I will reveal why I asked. Do not let him change his answer after this.
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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:48 am

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In post 1996, Titus wrote:@AJ, Do you stand firm in eliminating you being lying town?


I already stated my doc role is true.
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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:49 am

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No. Full answer time AJ. All of it.
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