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Aj The Epic · Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:51 am

I'm a town doctor. I have one BP, claimed two because I wasn't sure of the shot. If it was me, I wanted to protect myself without allowing a second shot to simply drop me. The only lie about my role has been the amount of BPs I have.

Titus · Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:54 am

That's what I had suspected with your claim tbh. It's a meta stunt I pulled before myself. So I was really annoyed when you earlier said no possibility of lying town. Now, I can't be sure whether it's true or whether you're revising your claim to save yourself.

Aj The Epic · Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:55 am

Why would I openly admit to lying about it?

Titus · Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:55 am

Although I was thinking commuter possible.

Because your role was possible.

Titus · Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:55 am

*role was impossible

Skybird · Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:12 am

In post 1993, Titus wrote:Scum doc makes sense. The whole I was shot but healed Luna so you should townread her was awkward.

Why can't we consider Skybird, Veegee, Talah and Sal as the scums though? Or does that not work with night actions

Then again 4 bps seems really unfair

Probably voting AJ when I feel better.

It is early in the game and I feel town is up because we didn't have a night kill last night. If you guys think it will help clear up the game state for town, then go ahead and lynch me. I think the 2FN claims is going to be a point of discussion for as long as both of us are alive. If you lynch me and see that I am town, if Worst is not town and lying, he should be pretty obvious by people not getting his message or will be forced to give up the scum team by having them claim they received his message. It will take a couple of nights though to see who gets his message and determine what is happening. In the mean time, focus on hunting scum in other ways.

Aj The Epic · Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:36 am

Lynching a FN is not the play today. Just make sure you send the damn neighbor message to someone not suspected.

Vedith · Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:13 am

So are we going for AJ now or what?

TheWorst · Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:27 am

AJ, why did you have the idea to out me?

Why not just absorb me into your townreads and only out me if I was in trouble?
It makes absolutely 0 sense and outing me was only beneficial for scum, which I'm starting to think you are.

Vedith · Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:28 am

In fairness, if he died and then you decided to tell us your role and who you targeted, it would make you look even worse.

TheWorst · Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:37 am

Yeah but he would have me in his town reads, showing that he did receive the message. I would've gone to one of his scumreads, to a townread, which would show that I did visit him. Not even mentioning the crumbs I left behind. Also I wouldn't reveal myself without having my visits still alive, unless I was being lynched.

I would've been discreetly picking townies under the scum's nose, it was gonna be great. Then AJ comes along...

TheWorst · Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:40 am

Ohhh I see what you're saying.

WELL no doubt, if AJ was killed last night (impossible since he apparently has a vest, but ok), it wouldn't made me looked good this game. But that's only if I was being lynched and forced to claim.
idk what that has to do with him revealing me immediately though.

Aj The Epic · Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:45 am

In post 2008, TheWorst wrote:It makes absolutely 0 sense and outing me was only beneficial for scum, which I'm starting to think you are.

Lol? Because A, there's another FN in the town and B, the doctor is the one saying it and could handle the protections.

TheWorst · Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:50 am

In post 2012, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 2008, TheWorst wrote:It makes absolutely 0 sense and outing me was only beneficial for scum, which I'm starting to think you are.

Lol? Because A, there's another FN in the town and B, the doctor is the one saying it and could handle the protections.

Considering that, you can't handle us both supposing we're both real FN's. Or did you not believe in Skybird and wanted to CC him using my role?
You don't seem keen on lynching between FN's, so I don't understand why you would've

wanted

to bring me up in the first place.

You could've left me alone to be never NK'd (most likely, as scum probably saw me as an ML) or even protect me if you thought I was gonna be NK'd.

Aj The Epic · Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:51 am

I wanted to put it in the open. Riddle me this: Why do I claim you as FN as scum? My team already knows and can quietly assassinate you.

TheWorst · Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:04 am

To create chaos and confusion? Though it didn't end up in your favor and attracted a ton of attention to you.
Ehhhh mehhhh idk now. All these claims are crazy.

IaI's info doesn't explain how there was an NK from mafia that night.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:14 am

In post 2014, Aj The Epic wrote:I wanted to put it in the open. Riddle me this: Why do I claim you as FN as scum? My team already knows and can quietly assassinate you.

Are you saying scum has day talk?

Why not say "I received a FN notice, but it wasn't from Skybird?" Why was outting the person so critical if your objective was to cast suspicion on Skybird's claim?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:15 am

In post 2015, TheWorst wrote:To create chaos and confusion? Though it didn't end up in your favor and attracted a ton of attention to you.
Ehhhh mehhhh idk now. All these claims are crazy.

IaI's info doesn't explain how there was an NK from mafia that night.

Well assuming the bodyguard is the legit claim, I'm wondering if both his bullet's are gone on that vest of his.

Luna Fox · Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:15 am

Possible explanations of mafia's NK dissapearing
They shot FAQ.
They shot talah
They shot me (if AJ is telling the truth)
They shot AJ.
Scum didn't NK.

See... the issue here is that there's 4 possible targets that would nullify the scum NK last night, that's almost half of all possible targets, you really think i should believe that scum had about a 4/13 (30%) chance of getting their night kill blocked if they shot randomly last night?

Of all these night kills that could've been stopped
Why would they shoot any of FAQ, talah, me, AJ over someone like Skybird. It doesn't make any sense, I participated in a town mislynch yesterday, AJ was decently scumread by a few, talah also lynched Zakk, and FAQ lynched Zakk AND is being scumread by a few.

Vedith · Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:17 am

If it helps, I don't think that I was shot.

Aj The Epic · Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:20 am

In post 2019, Vedith wrote:If it helps, I don't think that I was shot.

In post 2016, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 2014, Aj The Epic wrote:I wanted to put it in the open. Riddle me this: Why do I claim you as FN as scum? My team already knows and can quietly assassinate you.

Are you saying scum has day talk?

Why not say "I received a FN notice, but it wasn't from Skybird?" Why was outting the person so critical if your objective was to cast suspicion on Skybird's claim?

Regardless day talk or not, it's not like scum wouldn't talk between the next NK.

As for why not in any other way, it would've been pressed for and I wasn't exactly thinking of ways to hide Worst.

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:23 am

In post 1992, talah wrote:Personally I just find it funny (like raised eyebrow, sorta ha-ha funny) that Titus replaces into a game and suddenly another "Vig" is happy to claim they've shot me despite the fact I've been reasonably well townread.

@IaI can you point to where you indicated anywhere that you had a vig role, or that you were thinking about shooting me, yesterday?
Did you look into any of my scum meta before making that decision?

Anyway I'm still taking it easy for the weekend so bbl.

Well below is my thoughts on the vig role (essentially no soft claim is needed):

In post 736, I Am Innocent wrote:PGO is just as dangerous to town as it is to mafia. I've always seen it claimed (or fake claimed) D1.

Vig needs no soft claim. I've probably seen more fake vig claims than any other role on this site.

He made a comment that caught my eye that lines up with a role I'm familiar with that makes me believe he has that role. If you think I'm blowing smoke than vote me. If performer is alive D2 and doesn't have anything to contribute, I'll out what I thought that role was. If he has something to contribute than I am probably right.

Proof is in the pudding. Unfortunately for me, my proof apparently evaporated due to FAQ's involvement. But I can still prove myself tonight. If AJ flips scum, I'll shoot TheWorst. If he flips town, that puts you and FAQ in bad lighting. I'll probably shoot one of you two.

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As for my concerns for your slot. Here is where they started. Also due to you bouncing your vote from Performer to me and back to Performer (mislynch bait imo), only to finish on zakk (flipped town):

In post 781, I Am Innocent wrote:Read my posts again talah. I saw no reason for scum performer to fake a soft claim. He was under no pressure. It wasn't needed.

Read my posts again talah. As soon as he said I'm afraid to die dot dot dot, I changed my belief on that slot.

Read my posts again talah. I have been both a hider and weak doc, and the hardest part of those roles is crumbing ur target in case u die, so town can catch the scum who killed u.

You can read and reread all you want...you'll find no contradiction cause none exists. Those were and are my beliefs. Ur close mindedness about town having different thoughts on this matter is starting to give me concern tho.

Luna Fox · Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:24 am

Wasn't TheWorst scumreading Aj for most of D1? or did i get him confused with someone else.

Skybird · Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:24 am

In post 2014, Aj The Epic wrote:I wanted to put it in the open. Riddle me this: Why do I claim you as FN as scum? My team already knows and can quietly assassinate you.

Why did you want to put it in the open?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:25 am

In post 2020, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 2019, Vedith wrote:If it helps, I don't think that I was shot.

In post 2016, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 2014, Aj The Epic wrote:I wanted to put it in the open. Riddle me this: Why do I claim you as FN as scum? My team already knows and can quietly assassinate you.

Are you saying scum has day talk?

Why not say "I received a FN notice, but it wasn't from Skybird?" Why was outting the person so critical if your objective was to cast suspicion on Skybird's claim?

Regardless day talk or not, it's not like scum wouldn't talk between the next NK.

As for why not in any other way, it would've been pressed for and I wasn't exactly thinking of ways to hide Worst.

But if you got a note after day started, and you had concerns you might be lynched today, wouldn't scum AJ want to get that out? Just in case?