Scummies 2015 - Nomination Thread!

[Titus]

Best Town Performance - Suikoden UPick

Town never had a mislynch wagon get three townies but for VC 1.02 and on day 3 where they lynched the neutral survivorish role. Scums were lynched on Day 1 2 and 4. Two scum were caught by post 20 and the other was having trouble getting engaged. Town used a series of neighborhood and mason mechanics to outfox the scumteam. They even forced scum to kill a leading mislynch suspect. Town had moments of paranoia but scum could do nothing with those.

[mastin2]

Second the town of Suikoden UPick for Best Performance: Town

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Pretty incredible play, when you think about it.

[Davsto]

Two scum were caught by post 20 and the other was having trouble getting engaged.

Sounds more like crap scumplay than great townplay if you ask me.

[Drixx]

Third for Suikoden Best town

Getting all scum and a role that would be harmful to town in LYLO as the lynches is just the start. Town was super organized, with multiple higher than usual level plays being made by multiple members of the town. Even with victory in hand, the town continued to work hard to ensure that being wrong on the final lynch wouldn't cause the town to implode.

If there's an award for best individual performance as town, would like to nominate Titus for it from this same game. With the exception of mistaking a mason pair for scum, she had the game figured out in the first 48-72 hours of the game. Like, literally had it figured out. She had correctly picked three strong town players and had identified all scum in her listing of scum. In fact, if you take out the mason pairing, her scum reads contained

only

scum. In the early part of freaking day one. Absurdly good performance by an individual.

[Antihero]

the self noms....

[Jake from State Farm]

Just noticed the self nom. Smh

[Psyche]

im not losing sleep over it

[wgeurts]

Shamelessly self-nom Suikoden

[Drixx]

I was more impressed by a specific single performance in the town than the whole, but I don't see a way to nominate just Titus. In place of what I cannot do, I'll second the next best thing, even if it is a self-nom. The performance by her was that impressive.

[singersigner]

There's a paragon award, isn't there? You could add it to her nomination for that.

[Psyche]

yeah, but that's body of work, etc

[Drixx]

There's a paragon award, isn't there? You could add it to her nomination for that.

yeah, but that's body of work, etc

We're coming up on the end of the year. I guess I'll review some Titus games and see if there are similarly impressive performances elsewhere and if so I'll do that. Thanks for pointing it out guys. I read the opening post and somehow missed it.

And yeah, I get the negative stigma of self nomination, but I hope the committee overlooks it in this case. The play that Titus pulled off was by itself amazingly impressive, and objectively speaking (taking my own part of it out of the equation), the town pulled off a super impressive performance. I wouldn't have added my voice to the nomination if I didn't believe that it was objectively among the best town performances I've seen all year.

[Ythan]

It's a negative stigma because if it was notable someone who wasn't on the team would have nominated it. Or will going forward if you have patience.

[OceanWind]

I was a little uncertain on whether this thread was purely for nominations or debate was encouraged but since it is being discussed, I'll add my two cents.

I read the game really quickly. The scumteam wasn't all that impressive. At least two members (LicketyQuickety and Klingoncelt) had fairly weak games objectively and the remaining scum member was decent but not distinctive. They had the kind of playstyle that would have gotten them lynched regardless of alignment and didn't play a particularly strong or threatening game that would need town to put in extra effort to catch them.

I did not see where Titus had the scumteam pegged despite ISOing her so a link would be nice. I'll believe it though. In a different game I played with Titus, she had two members of our scumteam nailed on D1 in a Blitz game. We mislynched her but her reads were good: Blitz 1. I'm against supporting the best town performance nomination as it currently stands.

[LicketyQuickety]

Time to reread that game for me.

[LicketyQuickety]

I will admit I played terribly for the first portion of my involvement in this game. I did, however end up making some decent posts.

I will say Town got extremely lucky with the way it played out. Jeanne11's play to neighborize Titus was a stroke of luck like you wouldn't believe. Add the fact that Elb was thrown into the mix and it def makes it look like Town had way more info to work with than Scum did. I belie it would have been ultimately necessary for Scum to have day chat to even have a chance at such a disadvantage early game.

[Drixx]

It's a negative stigma because if it was notable someone who wasn't on the team would have nominated it. Or will going forward if you have patience.

That's not always the case. I pulled off what I feel like was objectively a really top notch scum performance in SMITE (as did the SK, who lost out to me in a 1-1-2 final day). I replaced in to a team demoralized and inactive, who both could have prevented being lynched the days they got lynched, costing the town and buying me time, since I had really solid town credibility. Neither of them was really communicative. At one time both of them were literally idle in the main thread for something like 18 and 21 days. They didn't work with me at all, making me essentially a solo agent from day 3 onward. Both of them had role utility that could have made it way more easy for me, but neither would even do so much as just let me tell them what I would like them to do to help my own play.

It was, objectively, the best scum game I've ever played, and a friend who came from the same site as me said it was among the best scum games he's ever seen in over a decade playing forum mafia.

But ... nobody ever nominated. It was briefly discussed in the game thread, and I think someone simply said that another person was going to win the Master Manipulator so there wasn't any point in nominating. I didn't see any nomination in thread for the person they mentioned, so I have no idea why they thought that other than they said that this other guy did something a bit more impressive with much higher states. I'm new around here and if someone else did something even better, they should win, so I was a little bummed that nobody felt it warranted even being looked at, when I've been playing a really long time and put on the best performance I ever have, by a huge margin, and pulled out a win that any observer would have said simply wasn't possible at day 3 of the game.

I never came and self nominated (and won't do so) for that. I gave the details simply so I could say the next bit and you could have context for how good something has to be for me to second it when it's a self nomination and I am part of the team being nominated:


So when I say that I feel like The town play super early was so decisively good that it warrants nomination, even though I was part of that town ... I'm being as objective as I can possibly be.

I was a little uncertain on whether this thread was purely for nominations or debate was encouraged but since it is being discussed, I'll add my two cents.

I read the game really quickly. The scumteam wasn't all that impressive. At least two members (LicketyQuickety and Klingoncelt) had fairly weak games objectively and the remaining scum member was decent but not distinctive. They had the kind of playstyle that would have gotten them lynched regardless of alignment and didn't play a particularly strong or threatening game that would need town to put in extra effort to catch them.

I did not see where Titus had the scumteam pegged despite ISOing her so a link would be nice. I'll believe it though. In a different game I played with Titus, she had two members of our scumteam nailed on D1 in a Blitz game. We mislynched her but her reads were good: Blitz 1. I'm against supporting the best town performance nomination as it currently stands.

Look in Jeanne11's posts for a post where Varsoon warned her not to copy and paste. There's two steps to it:

1.) Titus identified really hard to read people as town and put together a synergy of abilities and had correct town reads ridiculously early, and used the synergy of abilities to run a gambit that caught scum.
2.) Titus was concerned about dying and left Jeanne11 notes on who was scum, and she had the entire scum team listed in those notes. She also listed the mason pair, but it's understandable to misread masons as possible scum, especially when one of the masons white knights the other.

So she literally had pretty much the whole town figured out in the first few realtime days of the game, and by the time she made a note leaving instructions to Jeanne11 in case she were to be killed, she had correctly identified the entire scum team. On day one. A big part of how she did it was a gambit she organized and which was hampered by someone who was "in the know" about it and got overly anxious. She still managed to get it all right on day one when she literally had only one piece of information she knew for absolute certainty: Her own role.

I find that exceptionally impressive ... especially given how difficult a couple of the players in the game are to read. I think it's really easy to look at a finished product and say that the scum weren't impressive ... but they never stood a chance. Having been on a scum team that had a member lynched on each of the first three days of a game, I can tell you that it will really knock out the desire to dig in an invest when the chances are so slim.

I frequently find that when one team dominates, it's hard to objectively decide whether that team was just really very good or if the other team was just really bad. In this case, what made me decide the town was really good is primarily the way Titus had things nailed so early and the fact that other town players with powerful roles were able to trust her (Titus is really difficult to read for most people) and work together so that individually "so so" powers combined to basically make it game over early in day one.

Anyway ... I won't say more about it. I'll read some more of Titus from this year and possibly nom her for the single award. If there's a couple more games like this one, I think she should at least be considered.

[Drixx]

Sorry for pulling a "wall of text Drixx" post out there.

[shos]

I...actually considered self-nominating for Kodak Moment, the game that I won - was revived back into the game and won again - but I realy thought that was badly looked upon, so I didn't.....should I?

[wgeurts]

I can nominate it as the mod since I have already proven I have no shame

[pirate mollie]

yeah, but that's body of work, etc

[pirate mollie]

the self noms....

can this not be a thing

[Cerberus v666]

the self noms....

can this not be a thing

I'm never going to nominate a game other than one I'm involved in. I simply don't care enough about anyone else's games to actually read their game and determine if they deserve to be nominated, and I'm certain the majority of players feel the same way. It's simply too much time to properly evaluate a games and the merits of the nomination.

The problem with automatically discounting self nominations is you are now relying on the mod nominating performances they find notable for the players, because nobody else has any real reason to actually read a game. This is the single most significant obstacle in the path of games which deserve to be nominated, successfully being nominated. Then you add in the additional factor that if the pool is essentially limited to just players in the game, and you're going to discount those who were involved in a team performance nomination, the only people who are likely to have read the game and be eligible to nominate it are members of the opposing teams in said game, who certainly have a predisposition to discount the success of their foes either by simply refusing to acknowledge their strong play, or by suggesting their own play was weak, and thus they do not deserve praise.

Anyways, that's just my thought on the matter of self nominations. In this case, mastin wasn't even in the game, and seconded the nomination . I find it ludicrous that because Titus posted the nomination first (assuming mastin would have nominated it in any case), the nomination now jas a question mark next to it.

Actually, seriously, this thread really shouldn't have discussion about nominations at all. It's absurd that people come here because they thought something which happened was worthy of nomination, and then someone else immediately comes in and disparage the nomination for whatever reason. If you want to weigh in on who should win a scummy, join the committee judging them, don't come shit over what someone else believed to be an accomplishment.

Alright, enough of my rant.

[Ythan]

I'm never going to nominate a game other than one I'm involved in. I simply don't care enough about anyone else's games to actually read their game and determine if they deserve to be nominated, and I'm certain the majority of players feel the same way. It's simply too much time to properly evaluate a games and the merits of the nomination.

Then leave it to people who do?

[shos]

I'm never going to nominate a game other than one I'm involved in. I simply don't care enough about anyone else's games to actually read their game and determine if they deserve to be nominated, and I'm certain the majority of players feel the same way. It's simply too much time to properly evaluate a games and the merits of the nomination.

Then leave it to people who do?

Question is, thrn, how many games do the people who do, read?