Blitz 15: Monks and Masons in Serona II - GAME OVER!

[pisskop]

Get bent.

[davesaz]

what's that about? Haven't read very far...

[Kaboose]

Get bent.

I really don't know what your problem is.

[pisskop]

Ill hammer as soon as were done here.

Black has until like 9pm. 2 1/2 man.

bb in 50

I had intent.

[Kaboose]

Oh. My. God.

You

kind of

had intent! And I hammered!!

Just end me!!! I'm so sorry!!!!

---

What were you waiting for at that point?

[pisskop]

Wow.

You sit there and you explain to the town why youre doing this circular bullcrap.

[pisskop]

Its cutsy and all, but Im happy killing you just for trying to mock me

[hi im Yakko]

Burn the witch

[pisskop]

si

[Kaboose]

Spoiler: quotewall

How about you explain why you hammered too

How about you explain why you hammered too

I'm glad you asked!

I felt it was the right thing to do. I figured I had a chance to ensure a D1 lynch and felt I would take it.

Are you upset BlackStar was lynched?

Did you take a blow to the head or something?

Why did you step on my toes to suddenly end the day in the middle of talking/wating for my return.

So you were going to come back at 9ish, with the deadline 3ish hours away and do something that would change the lynch? Or what? What were you hoping to accomplish in 3 hours?

Worng question. Did you have reason to think I wasnt going to hammer?

Also here to drop the hammer, as needed.

I like that BeBop and Frozen are pushing things lately. Though for reasons hard to explain, BeBop looks better in my eyes of late, while Frozen Angel looks worse.

I don't think AI is scum. Even with a teammate on the line, it's hard to imagine AI risking such an obvious buddying there. WIFOM, yes, but still, why call the attention?

VOTE: black

#NotRacist

bb in 50

We were talking to black, waitng to see if he'd clarify his reads.

Noody else hammered out of the blue. why did you?

Could you have hammered if someone unvoted?

pedit: Because only one person can hammer out of the blue, what kind of question is that? Can multiple people hammer out of the blue?

I wanted the lynch to happen, maybe people would have been there, but it was there for me to finish.

Also did you know for 100% that you'd even get those reads?

Could you have hammered if someone unvoted?

http://www.wolaver.org/humor/nonsequitur.jpg

Could you have hammered if someone unvoted?

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ffs what you did? non-sequitur

vote: kaboose

I dont care if youre legit confused or town. I just want to kill you rn.

vote: kaboose

I dont care if youre legit confused or town. I just want to kill you rn.

I can understand your anger, although misplaced, it's directed correctly and with logic.

That said, I'm not scum at all.

Why are you upset about me hammering? Why are you upset about not being able to hammer?

Youre playing games, pretending not to get what Im saying.

So am I being logical and methodical or am I misplacing anger and upset about not hammering? They kind of contradict one another dont they?

Did you take a blow to the head or something?

Why did you step on my toes to suddenly end the day

in the middle of talking/wating for my return.

See this to me read like you were upset I didn't let you hammer. Am I wrong?

You hammered and cut off a player in a multiball game. why?

Town

Always innocent
Frozen angel
Bebop
Spigot
Yakko
Kaboose
Anxiety attack
Tojam2
Pisskop
Ranger

Scum

I have a null read on everyone else

Town

Always innocent- actually trying to punish someone who is balantly trying to fly under the radar instead of just jumping on the wagon with everyone else.
Frozen angel- tried to get a reaction out of me to see if I was scum or not. Someone who was scum wouldn't bother with stuff like that
Bebop- was the only person other than me to ask why the wagon on me formed out of nowhere. He wanted to know everyone's motivation. Scum would've just jumped on the wagon and given a flimsy reason
Yakko- not much of a team player, but he tries to put pressure on people
Spigot- he attempts to scum hunt
Kaboose- his earlier posts seemed very off to me
Anxiety attack- started the wagon on me and never explained why. Doesn't want to lynch someone who is more likely to be scum just because he isn't here right now.
Tojam2- has said almost nothing in this topic, yet he's posted on another topic today
Pisskop- deadset on getting me lynched today. Doesn't give a good reason for it
Ranger- gave the absolute worst reason for joining my wagon. It seemed obvious that he was trying to save his own skin by going along with the crowd

Scum

I have a null read on everyone else

VOTE: black

#NotRacist

You hammered and cut off a player in a multiball game. why?

Who exactly did I cut off? He had his reads in TWO posts.

Answer me a question now, imagine I didn't vote and just went to bed.

Was BlackList getting lynched?

o/ Dave.

Youre town

No one gave intent to hammer.

Get bent.

Get bent.

I really don't know what your problem is.

Ill hammer as soon as were done here.

Black has until like 9pm. 2 1/2 man.

bb in 50

I had intent.

Oh. My. God.

You

kind of

had intent! And I hammered!!

Just end me!!! I'm so sorry!!!!

---

What were you waiting for at that point?

Wow.

You sit there and you explain to the town why youre doing this circular bullcrap.

Its cutsy and all, but Im happy killing you just for trying to mock me

si

You have asked me questions.
I have answered your questions.
I have asked you questions.
You have not answered a single question(other than maybe about your intent to hammer).

Why aren't you answering my questions?

quotewall spoilered - f

[pisskop]

there is zero way you cant follow this conversation.

[pisskop]

@mod

Any way you would spoiler that massive wall of massiveness?

[Kaboose]

Yeah I meant to spoiler it but I was rushed at the last minute.

I don't see how you're excused from answering my questions though.

[Lowell]

Reading through again with spigot as scum I have some thoughts.

Both Ranger and Yakko put pressure on spigot during the day at various points. spigot seemed to actively engage with yakko but basically ignored ranger. Not sure what to make of this. I have townreads on both but I now wouldn't be surprised if one of them NKed him. Fully acknowledge that that's WIFOMy as all hell-- but did want to point out spigot's different reactions to different players attacking him.

The interaction with AA in the first couple of pages (in hindsight) looks just a little... too cutesy. The crossvote, the chatter. Looks like scumbuddies having a little fun. Could be a little too easy, but it reads as AA being on a team with spigot.

[pisskop]

unvote

have to agree that overall kabose handled the response like a town guy.

[Anxiety Attack]

Reading through again with spigot as scum I have some thoughts.

Both Ranger and Yakko put pressure on spigot during the day at various points. spigot seemed to actively engage with yakko but basically ignored ranger. Not sure what to make of this. I have townreads on both but I now wouldn't be surprised if one of them NKed him. Fully acknowledge that that's WIFOMy as all hell-- but did want to point out spigot's different reactions to different players attacking him.

The interaction with AA in the first couple of pages (in hindsight) looks just a little... too cutesy. The crossvote, the chatter. Looks like scumbuddies having a little fun. Could be a little too easy, but it reads as AA being on a team with spigot.

Spiffeh and I have played together a lot and we were trying to sort each other. I voted for him because he was off in the beginning of the game from what I've seen from him as town. I kept my vote there a good part of the day because his interactions with me felt off from his towngame plus I didn't care for Pignash's contributions as they seemed pretty tame. Then the Blackstar wagon happened and I'm still going to ISO that wagon now that he has flipped town and also look at Spigot associations to try to figure out who a partner could be there.

I've been super busy all day and so has ika and I'm waiting to sync up with him on some stuff in regards to this game. I also want to relook at you because I've noticed you've been voting us or casting shade on us for most of the game for really bad reasons.

For example, you start with a vote because there are two of us which is stupid as hell, then you change it to you think we are Spigot partners when it is plainly obvious we are not.

If you want to vote us, lay out a case and take a stand on it instead of beating around the bush and pussyfooting around.

More later. I'm in a shit mood rn and don't want to post in this state of mind.

~SW

[hi im Yakko]

VOTE: davesaz

[Anxiety Attack]

Ok im here for a bit

[davesaz]

This time I think I'll make notes on each chunk of catch up, and post my impressions through that section.

Spoiler: notes

page 1, yakko confirmed as vt, possible scum

page 2, already I want to check who AI is. AlwaysInnocent...
lowell believes yakko's "townslip confirm"
ranger has reads already. Expected, but don't know if it is alignment indicative.
Ranger's bottom scumread flipped mafia after a wolf night kill.
Spigot reads umlaaut as town, also ranger
Yakko doesn't understand? or is that strategic?
tojam2's Kaboose vote is opportunistic

page 3
FA asks Kaboose to answer his own question. Lowell votes for the same post 12 minutes later.
Turns out Kaboose means nightmare in FA's language?
AlwaysInnocent surprised Kaboose is at l-2, Lowell asks if it's upsetting
Kaboose 71 - we need to have wagons - town

page 4
kaboose asks AlwaysInnocent why he's pointing to the weirdness of the wagon.
AI thinks it's odd that Kaboose is questioning that but not the people on the wagon
84 Anxiety Attack (SW) catching up. Why did Spigot townread umlauut for doing something that is not buddying?
AA also does not like Kaboose's 47
Does like Lowell's 54.
AA votes Spigot (who flipped scum after NK)
Yakko wonders why running someone up to L-2 is weird (AI)
Spigot thinks Yakko is scum

Page 5
108 Spigot townread ranger because "I don't care what you think" seems town
118 AI: voting for Spigot is bad idea (where did that come from?)

Impressions / summary through page 5
Yakko's confirmation as VT could be a calculated scum move
Lowell believing it's a townslip is a bit sketch too
Ranger getting reads fast is expected, and her bottom scumread in that first list flipped scum after NK. Not alignment indicative though.
Lots of people jumped on Kaboose's treatment of his early wagon. Gonna be hard to read based on that.
tojam2's Kaboose vote looks like delayed RVS but also in an opportunistic location.
Anxiety Attack doesn't like Kaboose, does like Lowell, votes Spigot.
Yakko questions the runup to L-2, Spigot scumreads Yakko.

Reads through page 5
Yakko - scumlean
Lowell - weak scumlean
Ranger - null
Kaboose - town lean
tojam2 - scum lean
Anxiety Attack - town lean
AlwaysInnocent - town lean

[Ranger]

Why, exactly, am I a WW?

Well, you're not mafia but you're clearly posting like scum, so...

[Ranger]

I like Kaboose's response to these questions.

Kaboose isn't scum because of the hammer, though, so his answering the questions does not change his alignment.

Lemme go back to a long-lost target.

VOTE: anxiety attack. There's two of them, right? seems like they're hiding in plain sight.

This is chasing ghosts. Save looking for a second for after nailing the first. So vote Kaboose.

[davesaz]

Spoiler: notes

Page 6
AI - yakko has done nothing precisely scummy
Lowell FoS's AA, worse in the exchange with spigot
Spigot no conclusions
Bebop shows up and votes Lowell for post 54 after referencing a bunch of posts but not putting any names to them.
Bebop town leans on Ranger and AI
Bebop agrees with spigot townread of Kaboose

Page 7
Spigot (pignash) no scum reads
Umlaut disregards the confirm slip, doesn't get the Kaboose wagon, scumreads Spigot, Weak scumread Yakko, no townreads
Yakko doesn't like that Umlaut and AI have lack of stance. wants to unvote, wants to be patient. Scumreads BlackStar
BlackStar questions why no reason.
Blackstar no reads
Umlaut 162 not liking Yakko
164/165 Blackstar asks Yakko for a reason, Yakko gives stiffarm
Yakko is claiming to be townread by everyone, Umlaut rebuts

Page 8
More Yakko vs BlackStar. Yakko is leading wagon.
Kaboose doesn't have reads
Ranger has reads, has Spigot as 100% scum, Kaboose as scum

Page 9
Yakko votes AlwaysInnocent, who replies immediately. Reaction test?
BeBop gives a reads list, the reasons are a little thin but at least there are some
A few people wake up to the game being MB

Page 10
Pisskop 236 possible scum slip "the other team" though it can be construed as Yakko is scum
Fair amount of back and forth on the theory, nothing much substantial.

Page 6-10 impressions / reads

Yakko seems fairly scummy over these pages. I don't like the "everyone else town reading me" thing. Don't
like Yakko saying he'll explain anything but then refusing to explain when asked. Pisskop's appeal to own
authority on the theory question is typical and I think not alignment indicative.

I'll probably focus more on the vote flow from this point, tomorrow.

[tojam2]

You think I'm scum right, ask me questions.

I'll answer in my next post tomorrow.

[fferyllt]

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie and AlwaysInnocent have been prodded.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I guess I was wrong about Spigot. It actually seemed to me that he was actively scumhunting and revising his beliefs.

I am currently townreading Yakko, Pisskop and Kaboose.

Scumlean on tojam2. I don't like how tojam2 has barely contributed anything to the game, and instead of hunting for scum, they tell people to ask them questions. Naturally people will ask you questions. You can expect this. No need to ask for it. If you wonder why people are scumreading you, ask them why specifically. Their attitude is too defensive IMO.

VOTE: tojam2