Mini 485: Formula One (Game Over)

[SirWario]

Ok, we could use a little more participation from some of you guys like Roach, Kscope, and Pulsewidth. I can't really get a read due to lack of quantity.

Right now, I'm leaning towards Zindaras as scum, though it is all evidence I have is circumstantial. I have nothing in the way of supicious activity from the game. But I can't grasp how Zindaras is still alive. He's the most experienced in the game, yet the scum continue to leave him alone, despite him receiving absolutely no suspicion for basically the entire game. I would think the scum would want to take him out quickly due to his experience level and lack of any evidence against him. Though this argument boils down to wifom, it can still warrant a

FOS:Zindaras

[pulsewidth]

Sorry for the inactivity guys. Just got back from vacation and forgot to notify you all. Well, either we suck at scumhunting or the scum are hiding really well in this game or a combination of both. It certainly doesn't help that we've had so many replacements, making it difficult to get a read on people.

At this point, I'm just gonna go with my gut and right now, my gut tells me there's something up with SirWario and Kaleidoscope. Just the way they wagoned DA. My feeling is that scum tend to vote and then disappear around a deadline, hoping the town will mislynch, which is basically what happened. Shanba/Xdaamno/Polter is also pinging on my scumdar mainly due to Polter's previous actions and because of Xdaamno's weird voting and reasoning prior to the DA lynch; also, post 367 really rubs me the wrong way.

When a game slows down so much like this one, it seems to me that scum would be more likely to be active/voting in order to hurry up and win. Looking at the remaining players, that pretty much comes down to the three I've listed above.

FoS: Kaleidoscope

FoS: SirWario

FoS: Shanba

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Hi guys. Can we lynch Kscope? Kscope is a good lynch. Kscope is an awesome lynch. Kscope rocks, but he's so so so scum. So let's lynch him.

Hey. We're down to 6. Only scum dead is the SK. That's bad news. We're prob in lylo Means I can't vote Kscopescum in case he's town. No fair. But otherwise, I woul be voting him.

FoS: Kscopescum

Hi

I'm not liking pulsewidth last post. Will do a reread asap.

[pulsewidth]

I'm not liking pulsewidth last post.

Well, that's a shocker.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

No, not really. But if you're going to point three fingers when there are only 6 players left, you're simply keeping all options open.

[pulsewidth]

...Uh, I was being sarcastic with the shocker comment. Of course you didn't like my last post considering I FoS'ed you. And pointing three fingers is not keeping all my options open; if I were doing that, I would be pointing 5 fingers. I'm simply giving my gut feelings on who the scum is, and out of the 6 that are left, I listed the ones that were giving me badwrong feelings. Do you have any comments on my last post besides the fact that you didn't like it? Or Shanba's post; he FoS'ed you also. I mean, I find it a little odd that you quoted Shanba's post in which he FoS'ed you, and your response is... that you don't like *my* previous post. What? Why quote Shanba's post if you're not gonna respond to it?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Just that your train of thoughts about me is wrong, but that should be obvious.

And the reason I react to Shanba like that is because he's a bitch.

[SirWario]

Well I missed the deadline due to a funeral, FYI.

Also, its easy for you to blame us for the disco lynch when you weren't involved at all.

[Shanba]

Guys guys guys, I just had a brilliant idea. Let's massclaim.

[SirWario]

^ sarcasm,correct?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I think it's a good idea.

[Zindaras]

Right now, I'm leaning towards Zindaras as scum, though it is all evidence I have is circumstantial. I have nothing in the way of supicious activity from the game. But I can't grasp how Zindaras is still alive. He's the most experienced in the game, yet the scum continue to leave him alone, despite him receiving absolutely no suspicion for basically the entire game. I would think the scum would want to take him out quickly due to his experience level and lack of any evidence against him. Though this argument boils down to wifom, it can still warrant a

FOS:Zindaras

So, basically, you're leaning towards me being scum not on the basis of my behaviour (which, seeing how we're in a 16-page thread, is more than enough), but rather on the basis of a complete and utter WIFOM argument.

Nightkills are not even close to being a good argument. Every night, the Mafia kill someone. It doesn't necessarily matter who they kill, as long as they kill. This logic is extremely flawed. To suggest I'm scum based on complete WIFOM actions from people who are trying to mislead us is preposterous.

Also, I'll have you note that I survive 40% of my games. So it's not like my continued survival is that odd.

^ sarcasm,correct?

No, he's completely right. We're almost definitely in LyLo here, which means that a mass claim should be made.

[SirWario]

Zindy, I would take it more as a compliment. I really don't have much to work with at the moment so I may be reaching.

I wasn't sure if the massclaim was a joke or not. A few games where I saw massclaims, the person who proposed it got highly admonished.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Well, I've skimmed through the thread, and my scum-to-town list ended up like this:
1. Roach
2. Pulsewidth
3. Zindaras
4. Sir Wario

I think we should reach a consensus about the massclaim, but I

will

suspect anyone who will be against it

[JDodge]

Roach has been prodded.

[SirWario]

Can someone lay out why a massclaim would be useful at this point? I'm not sure how it would help.

[Shanba]

Let's put it this way: we're almost certainly at lylo. As such, we need all the info on the table now in order to make the most informed lynch decision. A cop trying to keep his results back just one more day is not helpful if we don't have another day. Also, by claiming we possibly end up with situations where we can clear a player or damn a player. If a player was roleblocked a certain night and there was still a kill, for example, it's a good indication that that player is town. In lylo, there's no benefit to holding back such information any longer.

In order to maximise massclaim benefits, we oughta organise an order. I like popcorn style, as it gets people generally agreed to be suspicious claiming earlier but also doesn't focus solely on a single person's views.

[SirWario]

Ok I'm all for the massclaim, now.

[pulsewidth]

Sure, let's do it. What's "popcorn" style?

[Zindaras]

Zindy, I would take it more as a compliment. I really don't have much to work with at the moment so I may be reaching.

Reaching is scummy, not complimentary.

I wasn't sure if the massclaim was a joke or not. A few games where I saw massclaims, the person who proposed it got highly admonished.

That was probably an early-game mass claim. The farther you get in a game, the better it becomes.

[Zindaras]

As far as mass claim methodology goes:

-The dice feature. Incorruptible. We simply roll a die (in-thread), and then the person with that number claims. Completely random, though.
-Scumminess. We simply take a vote for who we want to claim first, wait for the claim, then vote on the next, and so on. Not random, but the Mafia can seriously influence this one.
-Claimmaker: We let one person we have a lot of trust in decide the entire order. If we pick Town, we're fine, but picking Mafia gives them massive influence.
-Picking: We decide on the first. He claims, then picks the next one to claim, so on and so on. We'll always have some Mafia influence this way, but we'll also always have some Town influence.

I prefer scumminess.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

scummines, yes.

[Shanba]

mm. Popcorn is the one Zindie called picking. Scumminess works too, though, I guess.

[SirWario]

I don't like claimmaker. I would go for picking, scumminess, or random. I'd prefer picking though.

[Zindaras]

Claimmaker is really only done if there is a confirmed innocent. I copy-pasted this from a newbie game where I posted the same thing.