Mini 482: Shrek Mafia - Game Over

[Glork]

*Shrug*

Godfathers exist.

[Mirth]

Incidentally, I don't even remember who Artie was in the movies, and Grek died as Artie/Protown.

He was Fiona's teenage cousin who became king. You know, Arthur Pendragon?

[Mirth]

I'm also going to ask something of everybody:

Please don't speculate about future strategy until Oman and Faerie claim.

[Mexal]

*Shrug*

Godfathers exist.

Actually, that's a good point. I didn't even think about the Godfather role. Ignore what I said

[Glork]

I'm also going to ask something of everybody:

Please don't speculate about future strategy until Oman and Faerie claim.

[Oman]

Okay...here we go and this is why I was so adamant about a scumdoc in the game:

I am dragon, anti-doc. I target a doctor and make their protection void...or I target a player and make doctors on them void...I don't really know, the role PM uses the word player too much. I have no idea of my predessesors N1 action.

I didn't use my power last night, simply because I didn't want to mess with doc protects if I didn't KNOW there was a scumdoc.

I don't know where to go on this but: what if we nolynch, the docs protect mexal and we, fo' serious, do follow the cop, we have like 4-ish docs (i'm betting one if not two are scum) and we can tell which are scum by which don't get NKed. It'll be ages before mexal gets killed. The godfather will be our biggest problem

[Mirth]

Hmmm...why aren't you aware of your predecessor's night action? Didn't the mod tell you? Please find this out if you can.

Faerie, please claim.

[Oman]

I'll try to find it out (though I really see no reason for them to use it when they have no reason to suspect a scumdoc).

Oh and in my mind, goldfish now looks a viable vig. The idea of heaps of docs and me blocking a scumdoc or lone towndoc (I think he's town, well i'm going to vig him, well I'm going to save him etc) would not occur if there was not a protown Night killing role.

[Mirth]

Oh and in my mind, goldfish now looks a viable vig. The idea of heaps of docs and me blocking a scumdoc or lone towndoc (I think he's town, well i'm going to vig him, well I'm going to save him etc) would not occur if there was not a protown Night killing role.

I don't see how multiple doctors make a difference in reference to Goldfish. (If your answer includes strategy analysis, wait for Faerie to claim before answering.)

[Dead Rikimaru]

I'm still catching up.
I'm good at evaluating role claims in theme games, so don't do anything ugly before we have the last claims and I can check them.
I already have some ideas, but I will wait until Faerie make his claim.

[Oman]

N1 Nox did.....nothing!

I assume Nox thought the same as me "WTF! Why do I want to block a doc?" And thus did nothing. Last night I did the same.

I think I'm like a roleblocker in this game...except I don't affect Mexal or Goldfish, or whoever else killed. Yeah Roleblocker sounds better than my lamearse role.

[Mirth]

Hmmm I'll make a chart of claims and night actions and post it after Faerie claims.

[Dead Rikimaru]

I finished catching up and finally understood the reason for the mass claim.
I also understand the reason for the setup's no-role reveal.
I have my ideas on likelihood of each person being town/scum, but won't spoil it before faerie claims.

[FaerieLord]

I Breadcrumbed really heavily in my last post...

but oh well

I'm a tracker.

Night one (or 0...whatever)Jex targetted me according to ATA (Mod told me this) meaning Jex was not vanilla for sure (pretty much a given in this game :p)

Night two(or 1...whatever)I target DG. She did not lie about targetting Glork

Any more questions?

[Oman]

nope. (interesting thought that claim is completely self verified)

[Dead Rikimaru]

I noticed you trying to breadcrumb, but I couldn't get it.
A Tracker (my favorite role) is a great asset in our situation, since we have lot's of people with night actions.
I have to go out now, while I'm away I will be thinking on the possibilities. Expect another post by me tonight.

[Dead Rikimaru]

A question to faerie: What is your character name?

[Mirth]

I'm a bit confused, who did you target night 1? Jex?

[Zindaras]

I think Oman is very likely scum.

I can not see three docs in this game.

I am dragon, anti-doc. I target a doctor and make their protection void...or I target a player and make doctors on them void...I don't really know, the role PM uses the word player too much. I have no idea of my predessesors N1 action.

I didn't use my power last night, simply because I didn't want to mess with doc protects if I didn't KNOW there was a scumdoc.

These two statements do not match, in my ever-so-humble opinion. Oman's claim is that of a limited role which interacts only with another specific type of role. So why would there not be three of this type of role? Additionally, how does this role make sense as town? Docs are associated with the town because their ability is one that is more relevant, more positive, for a townie than for a scumbag. I do not see a role like this as town. What could it possibly do? Stop the Mafia doc from protecting his buddy who is being killed by a Vig or SK? This role is generally better off not doing anything at all.

I also know for a fact that, long ago on another forum, KScope modded a Harry Potter themed game in which all of the obvious/main good guys from the movie were also good guys in the game. An early massclaim broke the game open because everybody who had a weak/obscure claim was killed. I survived last, claiming my role of Snape and asserting that I was protown, but we as a mafia never stood a chance.

Aw, man, I wanted to bring up that story. >.>

I was the one who came up with the whole idea. <.<

Scope usually designs his games to be completely unbreakable by character mass claims. Shrek, Fiona, Puss in Boots, Donkey (though, in this case, the last two are likely confirmed due to mason claim) are all possibly scum.

Glork: I protected Riki because I thought that a) Riki was likely town, b) Riki was possible nightkill.

[Dead Rikimaru]

I still want to know FLord's role character before I comment.

And Mirth, who did you protect?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Updated Claim List, in order:

Pug -- Merlin -- Doctor
Goldfish -- Fiona -- Vigilante
Glork -- Puss in Boots -- Mason
DR -- Donkey -- Mason
Me -- King Harold -- Doctor
Zindaras -- Queen Lillian -- Doctor
Haschel -- Shrek -- Doctor
Mexal -- Pinocchio -- Cop
Oman -- Dragon -- Anti-doc
FaerieLord -- (Not given, but I have a guess) -- Tracker

The point about Oman that Zindy makes above is a good one. As for Faerie, I don't know if I believe him to be a tracker, but I DO believe that he targeted Jex Night 1 for metagame reasons.

Here are the people supposedly protected Night One. The doctor in each case is in parentheses.

Nox/Oman (Pug89)
inHim (Mirth)
Jex (Haschel)

Zindaras protected nobody, which makes sense, since he replaced in for Flash007.

We now know that inHim is town. Looking back at the previous day, I believe that Mirth is a doctor, 100%. Her interactions with inHim are consistant with a doctor knowing his innocence.

We also know that Jex is town. I think it's obvious in retrospect that I protected as I claimed I did, but you will have to do your own analysis on me.

We do not know if Nox/Oman is town. My gut tells me that Pug is not actually a doctor, which would mean that either he was trying to buddy-up to town-Oman or trying to protect scumpartner-Oman.

Glork, Riki, Mirth, and myself are definite town. Mexal and DG are probable town. Oman and Faerie are possible scum, and Pug is probable scum. I'm not quite sure what to make of Zindaras right now.

[Mirth]

DR, I protected InHim/Glork. (Scroll back and notice the massive breadcrumbing before I claimed.)

I'll make a more substantial post after Faerie finishes his claiming, but for now, I'll say this:

I just realized that masonry doesn't clear all masons, as mixed mason groups can exist. I'll post my complete thoughts on that one later.

For the moment, I'm going to

Vote: Oman

, because even if Oman's claim is legit, it's dangerous to have around.

[Dead Rikimaru]

People, let's not lynch anyone yet.
We need to go to night with a plan, and to make that plan we need to know FL's character first, since in this setup character names make a lot of difference.

After FL claims we must decide who we can confirm by directig night actions, and just then who is the best option for a lynch.

[Mirth]

I think I'm either the first or second vote on Oman, so I'll keep it there, for now at least.

As for confirmatory night actions, I have a chart going of whats been happened already. I'll post it after Faerie finishes his claim. I must say, though, he's had the advantage of everyone else name-claiming.

[DeliciousGoldfish]

Faerie, as well as others have had the luxury of other claims. Oman, second to last, also had a good shot at claiming. I'm not saying the last two are confirmed scum, because it is very likely that someone else up the list of claims is scum. But we definitely need to be wary of this last claim... Especially since it has taken so frikkin' long for them to post. Unless I am just antsy...