Mini 482: Shrek Mafia - Game Over

[Mirth]

Yet your idea leaves people obviously open so it doesnt prove if doctors are effective or not either.

[Haschel Cedricson]

That's why I prefer the plan I outlined a few pages ago. Yes, it leaves people open, but if a doctor dies, it proves the doctor supposedly protecting them is scum. We get FL to track Mexal, and have him tell us who Mexal targeted before Mexal reveals his investigation result.

[Oman]

Mass Game Post: Gonna be hungover tomorrow, sorry

I should be able to post.

[Dead Rikimaru]

Yet your idea leaves people obviously open so it doesnt prove if doctors are effective or not either.

But leaves the key players protected.
If Mirth is assigned to protect Mexal and Mexal shows up dead then there may be something wrong with Mirth.
If Mirth is assigned to protect either Mexal or FaerieLord and Mexal shows up dead all Mirth has to say is "Sorry, I chose to protect FL" so Mirth can be as much scum as she wants and will go on unharmed.
By the way, I already know that Mirth hates everything about all my ideas except a the note about Pinocchio's character that puts little doubt about his sanity. Interesting.
Now I want OTHER opinions.

[Dead Rikimaru]

That's why I prefer the plan I outlined a few pages ago. Yes, it leaves people open, but if a doctor dies, it proves the doctor supposedly protecting them is scum. We get FL to track Mexal, and have him tell us who Mexal targeted before Mexal reveals his investigation result.

Sorry, I don't find this plan. Can you explain it again, and also give your suggestions for nightactions in case you disagree with any of them.

[Mirth]

Yet your idea leaves people obviously open so it doesnt prove if doctors are effective or not either.

But leaves the key players protected.
If Mirth is assigned to protect Mexal and Mexal shows up dead then there may be something wrong with Mirth.
If Mirth is assigned to protect either Mexal or FaerieLord and Mexal shows up dead all Mirth has to say is "Sorry, I chose to protect FL" so Mirth can be as much scum as she wants and will go on unharmed.
By the way, I already know that Mirth hates everything about all my ideas except a the note about Pinocchio's character that puts little doubt about his sanity. Interesting.
Now I want OTHER opinions.

I know you're quite convinced that I'm evil, but my problem with your plan is this:

If I'm assigned to protect Mexal, and all the other doctors have their assignments as well, the mafia will just kill someone outside of the assignments. Thus there is no chance to check if any of the doctors are lying because their protection targets will not be the mafia targets that night. If the mafia wants fake doctor claims to win, they'd be smart to leave their doctors supposed target alive and just go after someone both they and the town know isn't protected. So we don't find out much that way.

[Dead Rikimaru]

PROD: Can we have a mass MOD!

er, sorry.

MOD: Can we have a mass PROD !

[Oman]

the mafia will just kill someone outside of the assignments. Thus there is no chance to check if any of the doctors are lying because their protection targets will not be the mafia targets that night

This is the beauty of it. If we pick the two scummiest players to be "outside" doc protects (or is it 3...i forgot how many docs we have) then the mafia will possibly be left with no alternative but to no kill if the two or three outside are scum.

[Mirth]

This is the beauty of it. If we pick the two scummiest players to be "outside" doc protects (or is it 3...i forgot how many docs we have) then the mafia will possibly be left with no alternative but to no kill if the two or three outside are scum.

How do you purpose this? We have 10 people alive now. With a lynch today (which I have a feeling will be youd), that leaves 9, with 4 claimed doctors. That way, only 4 people are possibly protected is definate assignments are given.

[Oman]

okay, I counted wrong. I thought we'd only have two or three outside the loop.

I fail.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Sorry, I don't find this plan. Can you explain it again, and also give your suggestions for nightactions in case you disagree with any of them.

Sure.

Mirth should protect Mexal, I should protect Mirth, Zindaras should protect me. Pug, if he is not the lynch today, should protect Zindaras.

Players that are protected under this plan: Mexal, Mirth, Haschel, Zindaras.

Mexal investigates his choice of Faerie, DG, or Pug. Faerie tracks Mexal, and when day breaks, Faerie must correctly name who Mexal investigated before Mexal announces the results.

If a doctor other than Pug dies, then we can lynch the doctor that was supposed to be protecting them.

Basically, if we lynch Oman and he's town, then the scum would have to be between Faerie, Pug, Zindy, or DG. With Mirth and myself most likely to be doctors, we can play follow-the-cop. Mirth can't die until I die, and in order for that to happen the scum would have to either kill Zindy first or out Zindy as scum, giving us a 1-for-1.

[Mirth]

Problem here, Haschel: scum will just kill Faerie or DG or one of the masons.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Look, we can play for the ideal night game or the ideal day game. If we try to force a kill on a player, then we still have a 50% chance of losing a doctor.

[Mexal]

Problem here, Haschel: scum will just kill Faerie or DG or one of the masons.

The scum are going to kill a town player. That's what scum does at night. We don't want to lose a doc and me. So we should play to that end.

[Mirth]

Im just saying I think Zindaras's weighted probabilities protection seems like a better idea, because scum are less likely to get a kill.

[FaerieLord]

I prefer the weighted idea as well. Its more random are harder to get a kill, making the mafia wind down to wifom

[Zindaras]

I think weighted is the best idea. This isn't just because I proposed it.

If we divide nicely, we can basically cover all our bases, so that even if one of our docs is scum, he still won't be able to have a safe kill. We simply have to make sure we have some overlap. If anything, we can force them to hit one of the docs.

As I said before, I'd also like to suggest that the Tracker targets one of the Docs. The Cop should do whatever he wants. That's the best way to go about it, in my opinion.

[Pug89]

I agree with Zindaras. The other plan has its merits but with Zindaras's plan isn't as affected by the possibility of a scumdoc.

[Mirth]

I agree with Zindaras. The other plan has its merits but with Zindaras's plan isn't as affected by the possibility of a scumdoc.

Actually it is, but it makes it more likely for a scum doc to be outed due to where the kill happens if there is one.

[Mexal]

Ok.

Then vote

[Haschel Cedricson]

Alright, fine. Do we use Glork's chart from earlier?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Vote Count

Oman (2): Zindaras, Mexal

Pug89 (1): Haschel Cedricson

6 to lynch. New deadline is Friday the 5th of October, 21.00 GMT+1

[Mirth]

I shall be voting for Oman a bit closer to deadline. The chart from before seems fine, but we should figure out who the investigators and Goldfish are targeting.

[Mexal]

I fail to understand how we've come to a decision yet we're willing to wait another week before we actually take care of it. At this point, we're not doing anything but putting off the inevitable. Why?

[Mirth]

I'm pretty sure the decision will be lynching either Oman, with Oman being the more strategically sound lynch. The main decisions that need to be made are order of protection and night investigations.