New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Killthestory]

God dammit

[Fraggernaut]

Meh Killthestory, appeals to emotions don't really work for me.

[Killthestory]

that's just general frustration

[iraonavp]

snarky shut the fuck up those reads were so half assed youre looking for any excuse to explain yourself.

@Frag, You literally just said that if I'm reading you as scum, why would I be okay with a wagon on you. That's silly.

Anyway, my reads don't solely revolve around you.

In this instance they kind of do revolve around me, cause I'm questioning the things you said.

can't tell if ignorant or just scumfuck

I'm thinking ignorance here

Why not both?

[Fraggernaut]

Oh Iraonvp don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you.

I wish I had a gun, you would of already been blasted.

[Aristophanes]

KTS, he said "on a wagon WITH me" not "on a wagon ON me."

You either misread his statement or are pushing this for a fallacious reason.

[Something_Smart]

I like the Snarky wagon.

No.

His reads suck

Yes.

My townread on KTS is weakening. I don't like the way he responded to 1536 while assuming that it was a stupid question, as if his intent was to find a reason to discredit, rather than looking again to make sure he understood it properly. I'll have to look at him again.

@Drixx: it's not confbias to have my analysis of your recent posts agree with my prior read on you. That Snarky vote made no sense regardless of who it came from. I feel like you're just throwing buzzwords around that don't really apply to the situation.

[Fraggernaut]

There's only two days left & this game has came to a stand still :/

[Drixx]

We're coming up on the end of the day. We are going to lynch somebody. I literally cannot get traction on any slot I read as scummy no matter what I say. There are two wagons that are potentially viable that aren't me. My vote WAS a vanity vote on a wagon nobody was going to join.

Why exactly does it not make sense for me to cast my vote onto one of the viable wagons that isn't me, as the day nears its end?

Like I said ... de-ass your head and drop the confirmation bias. You just actually said that voting for a viable wagon that isn't me close to the end of the day doesn't make sense no matter who I am. That might win the record for least sensible thing ever said on these forums.

[Fraggernaut]

@Drixx Do you think town or scum are more likely to be survivalistic?

[KuroiXHF]

We're coming up on the end of the day. We are going to lynch somebody. I literally cannot get traction on any slot I read as scummy no matter what I say. There are two wagons that are potentially viable that aren't me. My vote WAS a vanity vote on a wagon nobody was going to join.

I agree and disagree with this:

1. I agree that it is coming up to the end of the day.
2. I agree that we need to consolidate votes.
3. I disagree that he shouldn't be seen as a viable lynch. You have four votes (as of the last vote count.) You're viable. And this is coming from someone who town reads you.

We have a couple people with enough votes to be considered:
- Aristophanes
- Drixx
- Fraggernaut
- SnarkySnowman.

I believe we should look somewhere in these four for our next lynch, unless you guys want a no lynch, which is not something I would suggest.

I'm not confident that we'll have someone who's not in this group of four as our next lynch, considering the amount of time left.

[Egg]

I'm gonna catch up now. If anyone has questions for me, feel free to ask and I'll address them after I'm done.

[Drixx]

@Drixx Do you think town or scum are more likely to be survivalistic?

Scum absolutely have to be survivalist. It's the only way they can win. I can win if you mislynch me, so it's not as imperative for me.

That said; not all town are equal. Perhaps I think too highly of myself... perhaps I don't. Since I know I'm town and I know that I have objectively had very good success in the middle and late part of games with the way I play, I view my survival as considerably more valuable than risking a mislynch on a slot that's a complete lurksack doing absolutely nothing of value. If we were to lynch let's say ... Guy... and he flipped town. That would be way less than the loss of you lot mislynching me.

And I can point you to objective examples of why I'm good to keep around.


TL;DR

Obvious Answer: Scum must by definition always be more likely to be survivalist.
Less Obvious Answer: Town can have motive to be survivalist as well.
Takeaway: Trying to survive isn't necessarily a scum tell.


Did I catch the subtext and address it properly?

[Fraggernaut]

@Drixx It was a fair enough assessment.

[Fraggernaut]

This pressure wagon on Snarky has got us absolutely no where though.

[Drixx]

I'm gonna catch up now. If anyone has questions for me, feel free to ask and I'll address them after I'm done.

Can you evaluate my thoughts on Something_Smart please? Second pair of eyes is always good.

[Slandaar]

I'll agree with you that this is a possible scum slot based on this Iso, but I don't think it should be our main concern today.
I'd sheep this if a wagon were a thing though, without any issues.

Why is Snarky a bigger concern?

Egg was referring to a very specific ethical quandary I used to have with the game. I came to grips with it. There's a difference between big picture and fine detail.

You're smarter than this Egg. So that means you're either being stubborn, or you're scum.

2) You've seen me play well as scum. You hadn't even seen my town game until this game.

I find this interesting. Drixx can you explain to me exactly what is the idiotball you think he has made?

[Drixx]

The idiot ball is simply a made up explanation for someone acting as if they were far less intelligent/skilled/etc... than they are. It seems idioms are causing trouble for whatever reason, so I'll stay away from them.

[Slandaar]

Yes I know.

What is the idiotball Egg made?

[Slandaar]

I suppose I will reword. What specifically do you think he wouldn't do if he were town. Why do you believe this (provide evidence from his town games)

[Egg]

Kuro, I asked you why you were townreading Aris and you basically came back with "because he's easy to read". Can I get some example of what is so town? Also, why do you have such an issue with DGB's lurker vote on Yune when you are advocating wagons on Snark and Guy for basically the same thing?

Hmm. Drixx's Kickass vote is OMGUSy as fuck and the Snark vote looks VERY opportunistic but I have a secret reason why he might be town so I dunno how to feel. Drixx, can you point out specifically where you believe Kickass lied? All I see in your posts is a disagreement about whether you've given legitimate contributions or not.

Hmm. Random flash wagon on Snark. Feels like a Day 2 policy lynch...

Ok, so that's all I missed apparently. Still want an Aris lynch. Firebringer is still a much better lynch than Snark or Guy.

Drixx, I'll look at your Something Smart stuff now

[Egg]

Drixx, while I've seen Something Smart confirmation bias as town before, I don't think he's doing it here. I don't think he decided you were scum and tried to support that after the fact. I think he's thinking critically. I may have a bias of my own because I agree with so many of his reads and so much of what he's said,but no I don't see the confirmation bias.

[Drixx]

KaaG's specific lie is stating that there was nothing in my ISO but fluff. Since I had run at least two different gambits before he said that, and pointed them both out afterward, it's not actually possible for his statement to be true.

[Egg]

It's possible for him to disagree though...

[KickAssAndGiggle]

This is what I said:

Drixx said his ISO contradicts the notion he has done no scum hunting. I disagreed: his ISO shows he has indeed done no (or little) scum-hunting.

I stand by it. People can read his ISO and decide.


The provable lie in this thread is:

Add buzzwords to lies and you have A+B = Scum.

Let's string em up folks. Scum can't win 1-for-1 trades. I'm totally willing to put my in game life on the line.

I've played with KaaG before, and this is scum!KaaG.

You've never played with scum!KAAG.