BM wrote:nice try. Unfortunately you can't disregard the facts that easily here.
Much as you deny it, it was highly hypocritical for you to fight so strongly against the mass-claim, yet when SOMEBODY ELSE showed signs of coming around to your way of thinking, your stance changed.
Ah I get it. What I'm supposed to do when the person fighting against me, pushing the mass claim then chooses not to claim, I should just forget all the people he forced to claim, including myself, and embrace him with open arms. No, you are not just anyone now opposing the mass claim, you are the person behind it, pushing it forward and attacking anyone against it.
I don't agree with Mass Claim, in any of the 20 ways that were pushed forward, but I don't buy this miraculous conversion of yours to the no item claim at such a convenient time. Because if you and MOS weren't pushing the mass claim there wouldn't have BEEN a mass claim. You're the one who can't have it both ways.
BM wrote:Yep, i was (and still am) hoarding items. By that i mean, getting as many items as possible. Again, this is a null tell. EVERYONE in the game should try to get as many items as possible, because scum want to get as many items as they can to prevent the town getting them, and the town should strive to get as many items as they can, to stop the scum getting them. Using that logic as reasoning behind a vote is unbelievably stupid. Razz
I am not a fan of the personally forced WIFOM thinking. You see, you can't think of your own actions as WIFOM as a defense of them. When you decide on doing something, you have a reason. The whole purpose of WIFOM is that there could be multiple thought processes when that process is UNKNOWN.
That being said: Scum have a very good reason to want to horde items. Better than any townie. Therefore, it isn't a null tell.
Mastermind of Sin wrote:Kinetic wrote:2) You claimed to be hoarding items. That is really scummy in my opinion. Why would you want so many items that you can't lose? The fact that MOS was doing so as well piqued my interest. Scum trying to get items their friends need and then passing them later? No, you saying that and refusing to claim doesn't fly for me.
Why wouldn't I hoard items? I'm rather suspicious of the people who thought it was in the town's benefit to drop their items where scum can pick them up. I tried to pick up several items
so that scum couldn't get them
. I fail to see how this is scummy. In addition, if I had a hidden agenda behind picking up multiple items, why would I tell you I tried, since I only actually picked up one item. You can argue that I really did forget what items I had, but that debunks the argument that I was stalling my claim on purpose. Can't have it both ways.
While this wasn't directed at you, I'm half-glad you decided to chyme in. You see, I was using you as an example. Now, what I think was happening was that you were attempting to Horde items, but that you didn't intend to claim them all. When people started claiming items you thought you had, you wanted to find out th truth from raj. You then decided to stall, and because you knew we wouldn't believe you unless you told the truth there, you decided it didn't matter since you weren't holding the items. So yes, I can be suspicious of you for
attempting
to horde items, and then not being prepared for your own item claim.
BM wrote:I must ask you honestly-have you been reading the game? because your comments dont seem to tie in with someone who has been following and wants to genuinely portray the facts as they are.
Yet you are completely consistent with someone who is posting with a limited mental capacity.
BM wrote:I think i'd rather be killed myself than kill Kilroy, simply because, once i am dead, hopefully those of you who are protown, will get your arses in gear and start thinking for yourselves. It is often the case that alive, i am a distraction, so please feel free to kill me, IF you are willing to take action against Kinetic when i come up town.
I call this the CKD defense. Read this game to view my thoughts on such a gambit.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5902
CKD basically said the same thing. If you are town, your ACTIONS will speak for you, but you can't act scummy, and then try and get the people who think that you are acting scummy to lynch the person targeting you because they think you are scummy. You might have a case if I was acting scummy, you were acting town and I was attacking you with no logical arguments. But that is not the case.
I still think its funny that you want the town to "think for themselves" and then immediately after you say so you basically want them to listen to you and do exactly what you say. Because we all know "Battle Mage knows best!"
