Food Fight Mafia - WHO OWNS THE SCHOOL???

[Tarhalindur]

Nub Marco! So, Pop thinks I like Ham Mac. Chic meal! Eeeeuuu... Father, he needs to realize that I really can't afford to eat that stuff. I'd, like, gain way too much weight! *giggles*

So, about this food in my lunchbox... food fight! Cool, I, like, want to play!

Flings celery stick at Jdodge with incredible velocity

[Tarhalindur]

I've thrown 1 item. I won't throw another until we're out of this silly random vote stage.

Just because votes aren't counted doesn't mean we can't use them to express suspicion or be silly.

Vote: JDodge

... because I can!

[Tarhalindur]

K.
Tarhalindur is an anorexic valley girl.

O RLY?

[Tarhalindur]

So, guys, are we just going to keep flinging food, or can we start scumhunting now?

[Tarhalindur]

No, I'm, like, saying that there are people in this cafeteria who, like, want to take over this school, and they're, like, responsible for this food fight somehow.

We must, like, totally get them sent home before we, like, lose control of the school! Who's with me?

One! Two! Three! Four!
Let's go find some scum to smore!

[Tarhalindur]

Vote: Pockem

I'm not sure whether that boy wanted to pelt me with food in the butt or screw me, but either way it's bad for the town (and I can't find anything scummier yet ).

[Tarhalindur]

I don't understand why people are voting =/

Isn't there... no voting?

This game is like Kingmaker - there's no official voting, but voting can be good for the town all the same.

The "Hup! Two! Three! Four!" Unofficial Vote Count:

Pickemgenius (1) - Tarhalindur
Gorrad (1) - Battle Mage

[Tarhalindur]

wait, since unofficial votes aren't real, can we cast TWO?

If so,

Unofficial Vote: Battle Mage and Gorrad

. Both you are very against each other, so I only think one is the scum. I won't throw anything yet, because it may be a waste.

That's how it worked in Kingmaker... but then again, from what I saw, Kingmaker suspicion lists got very confusing very quickly.

Meh. I'll count them for now.

Unofficial Vote Count:

Pickemgenius (1) - Tarhalindur
Gorrad (3) - Battle Mage, VitaminR, skitzer
Battle Mage (1) - Gorrad, skitzer
waar (3) - JordanA24, pickemgenius
JordanA24 (1) - Blight

[Tarhalindur]

Guys, stop throwing food NOW.

In case you hadn't noticed (I hadn't until just now), DGB's comments in the signup threads make it pretty clear that this game has a permavote mechanic. Unless I am very much mistaken, not only can we not take back thrown food,

thrown food is not removed at night

. In other words, Skruffs will have at least 10% damage on him FOR THE REST OF THE GAME.

The next person to disregard this warning is helping the scum and needs to die. Understood?

[Tarhalindur]

Guys, stop throwing food NOW.

In case you hadn't noticed (I hadn't until just now), DGB's comments in the signup threads make it pretty clear that this game has a permavote mechanic. Unless I am very much mistaken, not only can we not take back thrown food,

thrown food is not removed at night

. In other words, Skruffs will have at least 10% damage on him FOR THE REST OF THE GAME.

The next person to disregard this warning is helping the scum and needs to die. Understood?

I think this goes against the spirit of the game, and I refuse to go along with it. Any attempt to "lead" the town toward lynches in this manner seems scummy to me.

Flick Peas at Tarhalindur

.

Its the same as taking notes and noticing the scummy things people say and keeping a count of how scummy you think someone is. You've got your mini-foods to show FoS's, and for full on Votes you've got your big food. If someone is tossing their big food around, mayhaps they would be suspicious - but it would take 100 (I'm guessing) small foods to lynch someone. 100 FOS's is a lot.

I was mistaken about the game mechanics, but this post is scummy as all hell even after my mistake is taken into account.

I don't care about the "spirit of the game". I want the town to win the game, and as far as I can tell, playing in what you claim is the "spirit of the game" is a ticket to a easy scum victory.

Given what I know, I believe that if we use our food in order to show minor suspicions, then there is a strong possibility that we will either be forced to lynch a player that we don't want to lynch due to a shortage of food (or find ourselves unable to lynch at all) or unwittingly lynch a player with a low lynch threshold. Either one of these outcomes is bad for the town.

Your belief that we should show suspicions by throwing food is noteworthy. Your decision to attack me simply because I do not share your views is a scumtell, as is the tone in which you do so.

Vote: Yamahako

[Tarhalindur]

Unofficial Vote Count of Love:

Pickemgenius (1) - Tarhalindur
Gorrad (3) - Battle Mage, VitaminR, skitzer
Battle Mage (1) - Gorrad, skitzer
waar (3) - JordanA24, pickemgenius
JordanA24 (1) - Blight
Blight (1) - JordanA24
Shadowlurker (1) - JordanA24
Yamahako (2) - Nightfall, Tarhalindur

[Tarhalindur]

wait, since unofficial votes aren't real, can we cast TWO?

If so,

Unofficial Vote: Battle Mage and Gorrad

. Both you are very against each other, so I only think one is the scum. I won't throw anything yet, because it may be a waste.

False Dilemma.

If someone hits 100, we'll have to call an ambulance... or maybe toss a bucket of water on the kid and send him home... but either way, the player is out!

Blight, your arguments don't hold water. We know 100 is the lynching number. There was nothing particularly dangerous about what happened to SL. It put him 1/10th of the way to a lynch. This like a newbie overreacting to a third vote on page 1, only more so.

Vote: Blight, skitzer

Some of you are more sensitive than others.

As far as I can tell, this means that the number of "votes" to lynch varies per player, with 100 as the maximum amount needed. K?

Unofficial Vote Count of School Spirit:

Pickemgenius (1) - Tarhalindur
Gorrad (3) - Battle Mage, VitaminR, skitzer
Battle Mage (1) - Gorrad, skitzer
waar (3) - JordanA24, pickemgenius
JordanA24 (1) - Blight
Blight (1) - JordanA24, VitaminR
Shadowlurker (1) - JordanA24
Yamahako (2) - Nightfall, Tarhalindur
skitzer (1) - VitaminR

[Tarhalindur]

|:BEGIN INFORMATION RELAY:

It seems pulsewidth will be losing access for a while and will need to be replaced.

Hi, I have an account named "pulsewidth" on the mafiascum.net forums. Unfortunately, I will no longer be able to access the site for at least the next 6 months. My only access to the Internet is on my employer's network and today the website was blocked. I am currently in several games (ChannelDelibird's Stargate Atlantis, DrippingGoofball's Food Fight, and I also signed up to be in Clerk's Mafia.) Please let them know to seek replacements.

|:END INFORMATION RELAY

Bah. His Engrish amused me.

[Tarhalindur]

We can't vote guys

Just because there are no official votes doesn't mean we can't use votes to show suspicions.

The Unofficial Vote Count of Prom Night:

Pickemgenius (1) - Tarhalindur
Gorrad (3) - Battle Mage, VitaminR, skitzer
Battle Mage (3) - Gorrad, skitzer, Sir Tornado
waar (2) - JordanA24, pickemgenius
JordanA24 (1) - Blight
Blight (2) - JordanA24, VitaminR
Shadowlurker (1) - JordanA24
Yamahako (5) - Nightfall, Tarhalindur, skitzer, JordanA24, Sir Tornado
skitzer (1) - VitaminR
Tarhalindur (1) - Battle Mage
Lowell (1) - Sir Tornado
Skitzer (1) - Sir Tornado

[Tarhalindur]

Good to see Sir T keeping up the flavour...

Just flavor? I'm pretty sure that's a post restriction we're looking at.

[Tarhalindur]

I just noticed there's a blank slot there at the end of the graph. Maybe one of the kids is late to school, or was sick today? Worth noting for the future.

THere is a French, Japanese, Mexican student, (all cuisines, btw)
THere is a nerd and a valley girl, and (maybe) a bully....
I doubt you are all post restricted or anything, but it is worth noting that these players have at least attempted in the past to express who their characters were.

I think it would be horribly unfair for the mod to make an entire mafia post restricted, so I don't think that hte 'foreign students' are a scum group. One of them, maybe, though? I guess it depends on what the b ad guys are tryign to do.

I'm still troubled by someone who posted something about some people were trying to take over the school.

Ahh, here it is:

No, I'm, like, saying that there are people in this cafeteria who, like, want to take over this school, and they're, like, responsible for this food fight somehow.

We must, like, totally get them sent home before we, like, lose control of the school! Who's with me?

One! Two! Three! Four!
Let's go find some scum to smore!

Where did you get that information, Tar? I want to accuse you of knowing that because you are scum, because I can't see anywhere in public where the mod has said WHAT exactly is going on, regarding the scum groups and so on.

And are you no longer a cheerleader?

1) I'm making an educated guess about the game flavor. I would be very surprised if there is not some sort of mafia in this game, and "taking over the school" seems as likely a motive as any.
2) I am, in fact, a cheerleader (which is presumably why my lunch is so light). A gossipy cheerleader, no less. Unlike some of the other stereotype students in the game, however, I do not have a post restriction - I simply choose to roleplay when it suits my purposes.
3) Breadcrumbs are tasty!

[Tarhalindur]

i think it might be wise to stop throwing food at Sir T for now. He's certainly not town, but he could easily be a Jester, or scum with a PR.
Its probably best if we simply ignore him for now.

Pardon? Why should we simply ignore him if he could easily be scum, something you said is possible in your post?

i'm getting blatant Jester vibes from him, and unsurprisingly, i'm pretty reluctant to go against my gut and get humiliated by Sir T. :p
By 'ignore him' i mean ignore his voting patterns, and comments, because they aren't helping atall, and for my part, they are very distracting. Now, he could well be scum, and could be the play today, but i think we should look in other directions aswell, as we aren't deadlined.

BM

Not only is it unlikely that there is a Jester in this setup, but it's also irrelevant. Town shouldn't care about a Jester unless it's clear that lynching a Jester ends the game.

[Tarhalindur]

Something that I just noticed that may merit further discussion:

We have three players who seem to have a post restriction (foolinc, bamboomancer, Sir Tornado). These three players appear consecutively in the vote counts.

Coincidence?

[Tarhalindur]

Well, I can see where your coming from better, now. Discouring people is, but I don't think he needed

that

much incentive...and I can see scum backing up this sort of scheme very easily, and Yam as town that just wants to have some chaotic fun - like me.

Yeah I replaced Waar in most his games.

And I bet scum are enjoying that chaotic fun especially if they are doing a similar thing to what they did in Lights Out, lurking.

Do you not see the implications of "chaotic fun"? There's a billion of other ways to fish for reactions, like playing chess.

And I still don't think a townie would start throwing lots of food if they didn't know where the other person was coming from.

Shadowlurker, are you a member of the chess club by any chance?

Just asking.

[Tarhalindur]

Well, I'm back, but have very little time to make a thorough post. I should be able to do so this evening though. A summary of my thoughts so far:

Jester- unlikely, unless they can't self-vote.

Bad Behavior Notes- if they ARE NK-items, then perhaps the hall monitors are weeding out the rowdy kids.

Scum- I'm thinking a BM-Sir T pairing isn't out of the question. They could quite well be distancing, and the whole idea of BM ignoring SirT even though he thinks scum/jester screams scumbuddies.

Silent Speaker- good last post! Do you think you could add quantities thrown to those figures? I have a feeling that'll help later.

I'm really not seeing Skruffs as scum. His play seems to be in-line with his normal town play.

That's a summary. I'll give y'all the day to think about/respond to this, then post some more this afternoon.

Gorrad, do you have a gut read on Aimee, and if so, what?

Let's just say that inquiring minds want to know and leave it at that for now.

[Tarhalindur]

TSS: unless I'm very much mistaken, my celery sticks do 2-5% damage. If not (and thanks to skitzer, I can't make any firm conclusions yet), then very odd things are going on here.

Since this is, for me, a need-to-know issue (for reasons that it would be foolish to reveal at this time), I hope you don't mind if I use you as a guinea pig.

Fire celery stick at TSS's crotch

[Tarhalindur]

TSS: unless I'm very much mistaken, my celery sticks do 2-5% damage. If not (and thanks to skitzer, I can't make any firm conclusions yet), then very odd things are going on here.

Since this is, for me, a need-to-know issue (for reasons that it would be foolish to reveal at this time), I hope you don't mind if I use you as a guinea pig.

Fire celery stick at TSS's crotch

so you're saying you think skitzer is scummy, but you're going to use tss as a guinea pig?

please tell me i'm interpreting that right.

No, not at all.

The reason why skitzer was messing up my results is that he threw an M&M at JDodge at about the same time that I threw my first celery stick, so I couldn't be sure how much damage my celery stick did.

Now I know.

Another question of relevance: TSS, what is your opinion about Aimee?

Reasoning is behind this, but I cannot reveal said reasons at this time.

[Tarhalindur]

Jester- unlikely, unless they can't self-vote.

You mean throw food on themselves ?

Yeah, of course. Y'know, it wouldn't hurt to see if you could do that.

squish gummy bear on own nose

. Please don't go 'OMG self-vote scumtell!!!!1', this is purely for experimentation.

As for Aimee, my gut says town. I admit I wasn't paying close attention to her during my readthrough, and I don't think she's posted a lot, but the vibes are town so far.

Grr, I meant for this to be longer, but it turns out I don't really have anything more to say . Maybe tommorow.

As I expected.

I have one last set of requests that I would appreciate the answers to:

Foolinc, what are your opinions on Bamboomancer and Sir Tornado?
Bamboomancer, what are your opinions on foolinc and Sir Tornado?
Sir Tornado, what are your opinions on Bamboomancer and foolinc?

Some of you may understand where I'm going with this. I ask you to keep silent for now - all will be revealed in time.

[Tarhalindur]

This BM/Skruffs fight is very interesting. Maybe I can get some answers to my questions from it.

Battle Mage: What do you think about Blight, Jordan, and Skruffs?
Skruffs: What do you think about Blight, Jordan, and Battle Mage?

There are reasons for asking, but it would be counterproductive to reveal them at this time.

[Tarhalindur]

Once again:

Battle Mage: What do you think about Blight, Jordan, and Skruffs?

[Tarhalindur]

I believe that BM is telling his real role name. I also believe that BM is probably scum.

Why? Librarians stereotypically hate loud talking and disorder... say, the kind of loud talking and disorder that comes up in a food fight. In addition, librarians stereotypically hate gossip, and I have reason to believe that gossip in this game is pro-town. Finally, my role gives me reason to believe that most of the roles in this game are stereotypes.

Given this, I think that it is time for me to alpha strikw. I'm throwing all of the food in my lunchbox, but not all of the food that I am throwing will be real.

NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED

Fire all celery sticks at Battle Mage
Fire all saltines at Battle Mage
Fire all baby carrots at Battle Mage
Fire all cherry tomatoes at Battle Mage
Fire all ham slices at Battle Mage
Fire all cheese at Battle Mage
Fire peanut butter and jelly sandwich at Battle Mage

Also, anybody else like Betty Boop cartoons?

[Tarhalindur]

BM, there is a VERY good reason I want to know which of those foods was real. Y'all will understand later, but for now y'all have to trust me.

Funny thing is, I don't trust you, and (more importantly) I can think of several good reasons to keep the exact food secret for the time being.

The only food that I am willing to confirm the existence of is the celery (already proven that I have some, so I have no reason to conceal it)

[Tarhalindur]

Okay, something is rotten in the house of Denmark, and its name probably is Skruffs or Battle Mage (maybe both). Given the flavor behind the second kill and something I spotted shortly before yesterdays lynch (but didn't have time to comment on) that makes me less certain that Battle Mage is guilty, Skruffs is currently higher on my scumdar.

I wonder if Betty Boop has anything to say about it.

In other news, I feel the sudden urge to test something:

Lob celery stick at DrippingGoofball

[Tarhalindur]

Erg0, look at the flavor. The secretary looks like some sort of renegede admin. Plus the fact that the secretary was

dismissed

, which I don't think could have been the work of any student.

Not saying all admin are mafia or all students are not (in fact after thinking more clearly, I think second kill would have been made by a student)

Day one is over, and I guess most of the food is out in the open. Can we have a mass claim of all our foodstuff (only name, not quantity) to avoid reread of entire thread to see who had what?

Sayonara.

I have reason to believe that a mass food claim would be a very bad idea for us. I will NOT elaborate at this time.

Tarhalindur -
"No, I'm, like, saying that there are people in this cafeteria who, like, want to take over this school, and they're, like, responsible for this food fight somehow.

We must, like, totally get them sent home before we, like, lose control of the school! Who's with me?

One! Two! Three! Four!
Let's go find some scum to smore! "
You said this yesterday, adn I called you on it, and you said you were just guessing, I believe. Can you share any more information with us about this?

It should be rather obvious by now that I have role-based information. Quit fishing.

[Tarhalindur]

Given the flavor behind the second kill and something I spotted shortly before yesterdays lynch (but didn't have time to comment on) that makes me less certain that Battle Mage is guilty, Skruffs is currently higher on my scumdar.

Care to elaborate?

No.

[Tarhalindur]

Tar, I find your withholding information infuriating. I'm trusting you, even though you did not trust me earlier, but I find your uncooperativeness scummy. Scum have more to hide than town.

It should be rather obvious by now that I have role-based information. Quit fishing.

Not originally directed at you, but still relevant here. If you want me to role claim, stop beating around the bush and say so, because revealing my information necessarily entails a role claim.

[Tarhalindur]

The only information I REALLY want is your food, because what you threw earlier poses a direct threat to my health. Otherwise, it's up to you to claim or not, but if your claiming gives us more insight, I don't know why you wouldn't. That's why I'm trusting you, because I don't know your role, and you do.

The next time you ask me to claim my food, I will alpha strike you. (Hell, I'm tempted to alpha strike you NOW for your continued inquiries.) Unless I am very much mistaken, there is NO GOOD REASON for town to ask what someone has in their lunchbox. QUIT FISHING.

[Tarhalindur]

Allergy.

I stand corrected (mainly because I'm pretty sure that you only need one piece of information about my lunchbox).

Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich is not real. That help?

[Tarhalindur]

The next time you ask me to claim my food, I will alpha strike you.

Tarhalindur sans, what do you mean by "alpha strike"?

An Alpha Strike is also known to go by the words "NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED". That help?

[Tarhalindur]

Before I reveal my information, there are questions that I need to see answered.

Battle Mage, is there any connection that you know of between your role and Flameaxe's role?

Flameaxe, is there any connection that you know of between your role and Battle Mage's role?

Gorrad, is there any connection that you know of between your role and Aimee's role?

Aimee, is there any connection between your role and Gorrad's role that you know of?

Yes or no will suffice. I have a very good reason for asking these questions - depending on the answers, I may be able to break the setup in half.

[Tarhalindur]

Hmm. It would seem that part of my role-based information is not as useful as I thought. As such, I will leave that part of the role out for the time being, though I may reveal it later today.

I might as well ability claim, though, so that everyone else has an idea of what is going on here (and because doc protecting me is what I like to call a "good idea")

I'm a cheerleader with a large network for friends, some of whom seem to have inside information on other people (makes sense, as the flavor behind my role is that my social group doubles as a gossip circle). In game terms, what this means is that I have two abilities. First, I'm a mason, and I get to gossip with my 2 fellow masons at night. I have breadcrumbed another mason's role name in three of my posts, and the third mason has breadcrumbed my role name in several of his posts. I'm not willing to implicitly trust my fellow masons just yet, however, because of the second part of my role (this is why I haven't told you about the second ability previously, buddies): my gossipy nature also gives me access to a source of information (better known as our dear mod DGB) who can tell me whether or not a player is scum at night.

So yeah, I'm a mason-cop. I investigated Battle Mage last night and got a Not Guilty result. This, combined with the flavor on the second night kill (and one last piece of role-based information that my mason friends already know and that I do not want to reveal at this point) is making me increasingly suspicious of Skruffs at this point in time.

I will think over revealing the last piece of information. I may have more questions to ask first.

[Tarhalindur]

I'm now convinced that skruffs and BM know something about each other that they're not saying.

You know, I would be completely and utterly unsurprised if this conclusion is correct, and would go further and say that they probably both know something about Jordan as well.

Battle Mage, Skruffs - if you do know something about each other that isn't thread related, please spit it out (especially if it involves Jordan or Aimee as well). I'd like to be able to break the setup in half, if you don't mind.

[Tarhalindur]

Tar- what is the flavour justification for your investigations? Can you detect any antitown forces, or just a specific scumgroup?

Why are you fishing?

[Tarhalindur]

After further consideration, I am only willing to lynch Gorrad or The Fonz today. I believe that one of them is scum, but I am not sure which. Elaborating on the reasoning behind this at this time is not an acceptable option - I will inform my mason partners to the reasoning tonight, so that they might enlighten you should I die.

Fonz, you have no good reason to ask for further information on my role (especially since you clearly aren't reading my claim very closely). Your continued fishing is doing a good job of convincing me that you are scum,=.

Gorrad, same applies to you, your prior actions, and your desire to lynch BM today.

[Tarhalindur]

Fonz, you have no good reason to ask for further information on my role (especially since you clearly aren't reading my claim very closely). Your continued fishing is doing a good job of convincing me that you are scum,=.

Actually, I do. Shove it.

I will not just "shove it" You are one post away from getting alpha striked. Elaborate or die.

Also note that my comment about reading my claim closely still applies.

[Tarhalindur]

Fonz, you have no good reason to ask for further information on my role (especially since you clearly aren't reading my claim very closely). Your continued fishing is doing a good job of convincing me that you are scum,=.

Actually, I do. Shove it.

I will not just "shove it" You are one post away from getting alpha striked. Elaborate or die.

Also note that my comment about reading my claim closely still applies.

I read your bleeping claim. You're a cheerleader. You've got a network of gossipy friends. Blah Blah.

IT IS NOT IN THE INTERESTS OF THE TOWN FOR PRO-TOWN CLAIMANTS TO WITHHOLD INFORMATION. NOW DOES YOUR PM IN ANY WAY INDICATE SANITY, OR AN ABILITY TO DETECT A PARTICULAR KIND OF SCUM? You said DGB will reveal if they are 'scum or not.' How close a paraphrase is that? Because if it actually said 'colluding with the school authorities' or suchlike, that's likely not a full cop role.

I just don't see why you're so reluctant to answer the goddamn question. Your fishing insinuations are so utterly asinine it's untrue. You can't fish an already-claimed role! What you CAN do is demand they actually divulge ANYTHING that might help the town, as any sane pro-towner should. Seriously, am I wrong here? Is there any way in which Tar answering this bloody simple question can possibly hurt the town?

Craplogic. The logical play as a pro-town role with inside information is to reveal no more information than is absolutely necessary (hell, I wouldn't have claimed if not for overplaying my hand earlier).

It is perfectly possible to fish for information about a revealed role. For example, scum can ask for the cop's reasoning behind his or her night choices (letting them kill the person being investigated and wasting an investigation). In addition, scum can start asking about sanity and whether a cop hunts for a specific scumgroup (in order to determine how much of a threat that cop is to the scum in question). This, of course, is exactly what you are doing, and I am not going to be so foolish as to give in to your demands unless you have a damn good role-based reason why I should reconsider - especially not after seeing scum give the exact same "town should reveal all the information they can" argument in at least two games (Open 27, concerning a breadcrumb, and Mafia 67 concerning my reasoning for night choices) where revealing that information would have been a great help to the scum!

As to your contention that "it is not in the interests of the town for pro-town claimants to withhold information"? BS. First, I suspect that outright stating the information that you are asking for would help the scum more than it would help the town (especially when it *should* be blatantly obvious from my first claim that I have already answered the questions you are asking, in a fashion - if you can't figure it out by yourself, I'm not going to help you). Second, let's take your ridiculous claim that "it is not in the interests of the town for pro-town claimants to withhold information" to its logical conclusion. Are you asking that I claim the identity of my mason partners? After all, that information could help to the town, and you say that I should reveal anything that might help the town. (For that matter, you could also just ask for me to reveal my role name using the exact same reasoning, which would have much the same effect.)

Now does everyone see just how ridiculous and scummy The Fonz's logic is? I find it damning enough to be alpha-strike worthy.

ALPHA STRIKE

Fire all celery sticks at The Fonz
Fire all saltines at The Fonz
Fire all baby carrots at The Fonz
Fire all cherry tomatoes at The Fonz
Fire all ham slices at The Fonz
Fire all cheese at The Fonz
Fire peanut butter and jelly sandwich at The Fonz

[Tarhalindur]

After reading it looks to me like Skruffs is a serial killer who got caught with his pants down when after claiming the kill scene outed him. None of Skruffs arguments thereafter impressed me. Why does the town want him kept alive so far?

More specifically, Tarhalindur, why did you narrow from thinking Skruffs was probably scum to deciding you would only kill Gorrad and Fonz today?

Revealing my reasoning at this time would be a bad idea (if I'm wrong, the consequences could be disastrous). Ask again tomorrow.

Upon further review, I have also realized that there is a minor flaw in my reasoning, but it would not be wise to elaborate on that at this time, either.

[Tarhalindur]

In other news, Nightfall hasn't posted since Nov. 19, and Erg0 hasn't posted in a week.

Mod: Can we have some big fat Prods on Nightfall and Ergo?

[Tarhalindur]

Given the situation, I'm going to make the big clarifiying post after all (Fonz's information role claim helps - when I asked Fonz for explanation, I was trying to check for role-based information).

I am, in short, a mason-cop. I will not reveal my name at this time due to that revelation outing at least one of my mason partners (outing my partners *may* be the correct play at some point, but not today). I would like name claims from The Fonz and ABR, however, unless they have a good reason not to share.

I was given no indication of sanity (given my flavor, I have some doubts about my sanity, but I don't have any evidence to support those doubts), and as far as I know I don't look for a specific scumgroup. If I had been given any indication of sanity or detection capabilities, I would have mentioned them in my original claim ala Mafia 67 (one major reason why I was so annoyed with The Fonz for asking about these specifics, the others being tone and possible fishing).

My exact food is 5 celery sticks, 3 tomatoes, and 1 piece of cheese. I suspect that food is related to role in some way (but I cannot be sure), which is why I was so reluctant to have people claim food D1. In a similar vein, I would like food claims from The Fonz and ABR.

There is one other factor of the game setup that I believe is important, but I will not elaborate on that factor at this time. This is because I am not sure about my inference and explaining necessarily outs my mason partners.

[Tarhalindur]

I got an innocent on Skruffs last night (investigated him due to Lowell coming up as soup scum and a belief that I might be insane), but I don't trust that innocent one bit. I suspect that Skruffs is the Soup Scum godfather, and I could easily see Battle Mage as the admin godfather.

Second, Nightfall informed me last night that he had the same role that I do, with the same flavor; in other words, "Gossiping Mason" = mason-cop (and yes, Gossiping Mason is the proper title of my ability). I speculate that the third mason has the same role, but I am not sure.

Nightfall's results:
N1: Tar = innocent (I expect to get flak for reporting this - so be it)
N2: Targeted BM, investigation failed due to being NK'ed.

The really bad news is that the Erg0 and Nightfall kills effectively out my entire masonry, so I might as well make everything official. I am Amber Star (breadcrumbed by Nightfall prior to his death - remember all those star references he made?), and Korlash (formerly VitR) is the third mason, Boopsie McClure (breadcrumbed by me in my first post - remember that valley girl talk in my first post? Look at the last letter of each word.).

Korlash, please confirm your status as Gossiping Mason and that Nightfall was also a mason-cop. Also, your investigation results (if you have any) would be appreciated.

Finally, it's time to drop the last big piece of information I have.

I believe that there is some connection between role and position on the Food Count.

Please note that all three of the Gossiping Masons are placed consecutively on the Food Count (this, by the way, is why the Erg0 and Nightfall kills necessarily outed Korlash - Occam's Razor dictated that Korlash was the third mason), then note that the three PR'ed players are placed consecutively at the end of the food chart and that both of our group-specific cops came up in the triad of players before my masonry.

[Tarhalindur]

Well, look at that, I make my comment and our dear mod promptly changes the vote order in the vote count.

Player list is definitely breakable (and I have the original Food Count list written down elsewhere in case it's needed). I'm starting to really like the idea of a Ckillor lynch.

[Tarhalindur]

I'll reserve my piece of cheese for now (it could come in useful against some of the remaining players), but the rest is going at ckillor as of now.

Throw 5 celery sticks at ckillor
Throw 3 cherry tomatoes at ckillor

Note for Skruffs and others: I sincerely doubt that all of the Gossiping Masons are sane (I'd guess that at most one is sane). Given his role name and lone result, I think that Nightfall was naive; I have no idea about Korlash (due to a lack of knowledge about his results) or myself (at this point, I'm guessing naive or sane, but I can't be sure).

[Tarhalindur]

I am short on time, but there are some points I need to raise:

First: Before I make a final decision on ckillor, a question: Ckillor, what is the flavor behind your roleblock?

Second: Skruffs, your request for exact reasons for investigating you is anti-town (makes it easier for scum to figure out my targets). Suffice it to say that there were multiple good reasons for investigating you, enough to place you above even ABR on my investigate list. Also note that until last night's kills (specifically The Fonz and Erg0) my theory on the setup was that players were divided into triads and one player out of each was scum (with two leftovers of unknown alignment).

That said, I'm currently leaning towards you being town - the combination of two investigations (of which I suspect one is genuine), Fonz's confirmed role, and my player list theory (TSS, who was in your triad, came up innocent with a scum-sounding town role) are enough to outweigh your weak (IMO) play.

Third: Another question that needs to be answered: Battle Mage, what is your role title? (For reference, the mason title is "Gossiping Mason", and Jdodge's role title was "Slingshot Kid".)

There is a fourth point I may need to make, but it can wait until after ckillor explains himself.

[Tarhalindur]

1) I am inclined to believe ckillor's claim for now - as far as I can tell, either he's telling the truth or he's made a good fakeclaim. The main factor behind my conclusion is his claimed role name + ability (role name seems to be strongly tied to role function); the flavor he's claiming is somewhat shakier than what I would like (specifically the "end the food war" agenda), but not shaky enough for me to want his lynch today.

2) Gorgon, by way of contrast, has recently jumped onto my scumdar. Gorgon, like his predecessor pickem, has offered almost no contributions to the game, to the extent that he's seriously under the radar (has he posted ANYTHING since replacing in?). In addition, lynching Gorgon as scum (especially admin scum) would also be a strong indicator that the player list theory is correct - he, like ckillor, is adjacent to Lowell on the player list, and pickem + lowell as scum would account for the fact that the number of players in the game is not divisible by 3.

Big Fat FoS of Doom: Gorgon

for being very under the radar and a good test of the player list theory.

3) Skruffs' recent behavior is doing a good job of convincing me that he's either anti-town or not reading the thread (despite the double innocent, no less). In particular, he is accusing me of not elaborating on the flavor behind gossiping mason being mason-cop

when I provided the flavor behind my role in my original claim

. Moreover, Skruffs' claim that I should not be believed because I did not bring up the player list theory until today is absolute craplogic, for two reasons: 1) revealing the specifics of the playerlist theory necessarily implied outing my mason partners, and 2) I heavily breadcrumbed the player list theory in my Day 2 posts (the "last piece of role-based information" I referred to at least once yesterday) - in fact, I explicitly pointed out that my last piece of information

would out my mason partners

, a statement that should make much more sense now that the player list theory is revealed. Finally, my belief that Nightfall was likely naive has to do with yet another piece of public information - I sincerely doubt that a mason-cop with the name Jessica Bumble would be sane, given how closely role name and role function seem to be related in this game.

Big Fat FoS of Doom: Skruffs

for tossing suspicion at a claimed mason-cop using craplogic.

4) I want Battle Mage to claim or paraphrase his role title IN HIS NEXT POST. I am NOT going to give him the benefit of the doubt - until he elaborates, I'm going to assume that he's lying scum (yes, despite my investigation result - given the way Battle Mage and Skruffs are acting, I no longer trust in my own sanity). I'm going to hold back on using my piece of cheese because at least one player has claimed dairy allergy and due to Gorgon and Skruffs looking scummy, but if Battle Mage does not clarify in a way that I find satisfactory then I will wind up using my cheese on him.

HoS: Battle Mage

[Tarhalindur]

I *agree* that it wasn't interesting. I'm NOT saying that Cicero's name goof was a scum tell. In my opinion, it was OBVIOUS that cicero was referring to me, not FOnz. Korlash didn't seem to 'get it'. Flameaxe either got it and intentionally tried to exacerbate it, or is exactly what other people are accusing Korlash of, 'not involved in the game', because he thought Fonz was alive and was ridiculing Korlash for it. Since he refuses to elaborate, that indicates it's one of those two.

I Agree, but ckillor is playing mum. This is a good lead, I think if it turns out scum is not side by side. Tarhalindur's original theory that one out of every 'three' players is scum, makes sense, but he's refused to comment on his theory since he mentioned it 0- or even why he thought that, being in a known set of three himself.

You know, I thought that the reason why I wasn't talking about my original theory would be self-evident: BECAUSE IT IS DISPROVEN BY THE GAME STATE, BARRING A DEATH GODFATHER. Erg0, skitzer, and The Fonz made up a trio (the trio immediately preceding the masons, no less), and all have died and shown up as town.

As to why I thought that my original theory was the most likely - until I knew that Nightfall was also a mason-cop (which I only learned last night), I suspected (given my role and the fact that the masons were not confirmed) that the rest of my mason group consisted of a vanilla mason and a scum mason.

[Tarhalindur]

Um, anyone there?

[Tarhalindur]

Were you that dude that talked about Death note in Stargate-SG1 mafia ?

Silly ABR, I seem to recall that you replaced the guy that was talking about Death Note in SG-1. He's also the guy who utterly screwed over Mini 431 (where I was his scumbuddy in a very interesting game), so I'm a little bitter towards him.

[Tarhalindur]

Don't anyone throw food at ABR until the next "vote count" please.

ABR is linked with scum from yesterday. His post history is terrible. Actively lurking is an incredibly accurate description.

Let me get this straight - you think that ABR is soup scum?

[Tarhalindur]

Don't anyone throw food at ABR until the next "vote count" please.

ABR is linked with scum from yesterday. His post history is terrible. Actively lurking is an incredibly accurate description.

Let me get this straight - you think that ABR is soup scum?

I find it very, very interesting that you failed to answer my question, Yamahako. In fact:

Throw remaining piece of cheese at Yamahako

Why? For the same reason that I asked for clarification: after that post, I think that you are probably admin scum. Your attack on ABR absolutely reeks of scum attacking a player who he thinks is from a
rival scumgroup (your strong attack on ABR, which only began in earnest after I brought up the player list theory, reminds me very, very much of my attack on Theopor in SG-1, albeit with less reasoning revealed).

Let me make this clear - I don't necessarily think that you're wrong about ABR being scum - in fact, given that you are adjacent to ABR on the food count, I think that you are probably right. I just think that the reason you are right is because you are scum yourself.

I also find had's target claim very, very fishy (much more so than the rest of the claim) - if Yamahako is scum, then had is probably scum from the same group (and vice versa).

[Tarhalindur]

Speaking of masons getting innocents... a-yup, I got another innocent (Yamahako, for what it's worth) last night. Given what Korlash is now saying, I'm pretty sure I'm Naive at this point.

This, in turn, means that it's time that I do a thorough reread on Skruffs and Battle Mage. At this point, I think that giving them a free pass based on investigation results is a bad idea.

I'm also interested in how none of the scum kills have targeted players in the upper half of the player list, especially since there have been no scum crosskills so far. I still suspect that there is something up with the player list, although I won't deny that ckillor coming up town is a blow to the theory. (If we do decide to lynch based on player list, Gorgon is the clear lynch today.)

[Tarhalindur]

Speaking of masons getting innocents... a-yup, I got another innocent (Yamahako, for what it's worth) last night. Given what Korlash is now saying, I'm pretty sure I'm Naive at this point.

This, in turn, means that it's time that I do a thorough reread on Skruffs and Battle Mage. At this point, I think that giving them a free pass based on investigation results is a bad idea.

I'm also interested in how none of the scum kills have targeted players in the upper half of the player list, especially since there have been no scum crosskills so far. I still suspect that there is something up with the player list, although I won't deny that ckillor coming up town is a blow to the theory. (If we do decide to lynch based on player list, Gorgon is the clear lynch today.)

Gossiping has NEVER been proven to be an investigative role.

However, The fonz cleared me of being in the soup scum mafia. Trying to refute that to put attention on me is BAD. I don't believe your claim.

I think it's funny that you abandoned your own theory yesterday o go after other people, and then,a fter it works, you still try to encourage other people that there is something about it.


Isn't it *Also* interesting to note that two claimed cops haven't been targetted, long after the other claimed cop was NK'd?


Korlash: If you are naive, like you claim, then there is no reason not to prove that you actually investigated someone, even if your investigation is faulty.

I think it's possible, and this is a spur of the moment theory, that the mason 'cops' were three people, one a 'bumbling' cheerleader, and the other two maybe each part of a mafia group. The two that were scum got the third killed to 'clear' themselves, and have been, I dunno, maybe telling their own groups who to kill who not to kill?

I don't know, it's just a theory, but it's a lot more likely than Tar's suggestion that the players who do have innocent results on them, not even by Their own claimed naive investigations, but by other, confirmed, scum-specific cops, no less, start being investigated.

I don't understand why Tarhalindur would want to cannibalize his results like that. I don't see why jsut because he has all innocent results, he would assume he's naive.

That's also why Korlash should 'confirm' his innocent results, because so far it seems that nobody who's been targetted by either of them has been Nk'd, and it's probably up to four, if not five, players by now.

I think that a pair of mason cops should be trying to investigate as many people as they can as well as claiming their results. If they are naive, it will show up after time, but until they are proven naive, there's no reason to think so.


But then again, Tarhalindur thought that one out of every three 'clumpings' was scum, and he thought that the mason-cop who had targetted him was naive, so I have no reason to think that TArhalindur is telling the truth about what he's saying.

Skruffs, the reason that I am so mistrustful of my investigation results is that I cannot square the investigation results with the way I'm seeing you play (or Battle Mage's claim, for that matter).

First: You have been continuously misrepresenting my views ever since I brought up the player list theory - you keep harping on about my original hypothesis when that hypothesis was conclusively disproved at the beginning of Day 3.

(Now, you might ask, why did I think that was the most plausible theory in the first place? The answer is that it was an educated guess. I saw the player list grouped into groups of three. Moreover, I knew that my masonry was unconfirmed and that I had another ability (note that Nightfall did not reveal that his role was identical to mine until Night 2). My gut conclusion was that each triad, in addition to a mechanical link (masonry, post restrictions, etc.), contained 1 power role, 1 relatively normal role, and 1 scum. This theory seemed to be reinforced by the fact that VitaminR - Korlash's predecessor - was utterly useless as a mason after N0. I will admit that it was a hasty hypothesis that could, and did, turn out to be wrong, but it was my hypothesis nonetheless.

Incidentally, my old doubts about VitR are one of three reasons why I haven't been taking advantage of my nighttalk capability. The others are somewhat limited enthusiasm and my perception that Korlash is an utterly useless mason partner, even if he's town.)

Second: You're being hypocritical. First, you misrepresent me and attack me for a spur-of-the-moment theory, then you try to use a spur-of-the-moment theory of your own to continue the attack? More to the point, you attack me for weak reasoning when your reasoning is based upon as many educated guesses as mine was?

Third: You attack me for thinking that I am naive, yet you subscribe to the same reasoning that lies behind my belief that I am probably naive (three sane mason-cops plus two scum-specific investigators would probably be utterly broken for the town).

(As for the merits of my naivety hypothesis - my doubts about my sanity, while fundamentally based on game balance concerns, are reinforced by some shaky flavor behind my investigation (it's not like gossip is the most reliable of sources, and popular teenage girls are often stereotyped as hopelessly naive about non-social matters) - ESPECIALLY given how closely integrated flavor and role seem to be in this game - and the fact that none of the Gossiping Masons appears to have gotten a guilty.)

Fourth: Your "I find it very interesting that neither of the claimed mason-cops has been targeted" a) reeks of inside knowledge (how can you *know* that neither of the mason-cops has been targeted?) and b) can only be answered by opening up a big fat can of WIFOM.

Fifth: If you really think that I am scum (and given the way you played yesterday, I find it difficult to believe otherwise), why aren't you backing up your words with food (or even a FoS for that matter)? To me, your play reeks of scum trying to push along a wagon without actually committing to the wagon.

[Tarhalindur]

1.) Skitzer was overly defensive, and was constantly saying he thought I was guilty - but didn't want to waste food - yet he basically never used any food. ABR hasn't actually commented on the game with his own thoughts. The entire time he was questioning what other people thought he should do.
2.) ABR (who has been replaced) is almost definetly scum. Skitzer may just be lazy. ABR has links to a, now, known scum.
3.) They basically stopped posting, I was intending to try and do a PBPA on ABR, but I was a Day late (night started earlier than I thought it would). Things have been unpredictable and hectic for me making it more difficult for me to post regularly.
4.) ABR, Tar, and Skitzer. Tar would give us the most information, ABR would be more of a sure thing.
5.) Because I figured if they were actually town they would comment on other things. Their argument left the realm of standard bickering and entered the absurd shortly before that post. It seemed more like a calculated measure that would insure one person was thought of as town Early on. I'd wager if they actually are in a mafia they are paired with Tar-scum which would balanced that many "cops" nicely.

how about you comment on the game yourself rather than continually ask questions and complain about lurkers? If you commit to statments I bet you'll get more participation - if that's your real goal (as opposed to just appearing town.) IGMEOY.

I'll do my best to get my ABR (now replaced) case up - but if you just view all his posts it should be obviously. Actively lurking is nearly always bad in my experience.

There are several problems with this post, but two stand out:

1) Your single-minded focus on ABR, and the logic that you're using (the unexplained "links to a known scum"). I think that you may actually be correct about ABR... but if so, it's because you're scum from the rival group who caught on to ABR after I brought up the player list theory. (I can't really consciously explain why, but when I looked at your recent attacks on ABR I was immediately reminded of my attack on Theopor (Replicator scum) as Gou'Ald scum in Stargate SG-1.)

2) You seem to think that Skitzer is a valid lynch candidate. Small problem there - Skitzer was lynched as vanilla town on Day 1, therefore lynching him again would be difficult at best.

Tarhalindur lynch candidates:

Skruffs - Despite the double innocents, I'm having difficultly accepting his play as pro-town for previously explained reasons.
Battle Mage - the early BM/Skruffs feud still concerns me (again, it reminds me of my attack on Theopor in SG-1, albeit not to the extent that Yamahako/ABR does) and the claim is somewhat suspect.

Yamahako - as much a gut read as anything, but his recent play is really pinging my scumdar for reasons explained above. I need to check and see how under-the-radar he's been, and whether the IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis) tell is applicable.

Gorgon - Very under-the-radar, adjacent to Lowell on the player list (though how valid that theory is remains to be seen).

[Tarhalindur]

After a second reread on my scum candidates, I noticed something that I really should have noticed before now, something that I find incredibly scummy.

Gorgon has offered lots of commentary on game theory (setup thoughts, thoughts about my mason group), but he has, at best, barely commented on anyone's play. Observe:

Hi.

I never got my role PM when I agreed to replace, so I just forgot about the whole thing. I only just realised I'm actually in this game when I got a prod from DGB. I asked for my role PM though, so I'm now officially in the game. Guess I have some reading to do.

Standard entry post, nothing to see here.

There's no time. Just throw your food on one of the top choices(besides me)

Let me guess - The guy with the highest bar gets "lynched", or whatever happens in this game at the end of the deadline, right?

Question involving game mechanics, no comments on other players.

The student covered will the most food will be sent home to shower.

Ah, found it. But it appears you're way ahead, ABR. Does it matter if I throw my food or not?

Again, asking about the game mechanics.

Okay ...

I only have three shots, and looking through pickem's posts using the magic of the Find tool, I see he's used two of them already. So here goes my last one.

Fling consommé at The Fonz

Fires at The Fonz with little reasoning. I'd need to check context to be sure, but my impression is that this may be a case of scum trying to pile onto a town wagon.

Forgive me cicero, for I know not what I do!

I'll be more careful with my food tomorrow, when I've actually figured out what the heck is going on here a little better.

Looks like a fun theme though.

Trying to understand the setup is not necessarily scummy. Trying to understand the setup

instead of finding scum

, however, is scummy as all hell.

Rereading, even the last 10 pages, takes time that I don't have. I'm going to bed any minute now.

Also, I did assume that people might want to know what kind of food everyone has.

Fish fish fish, anyone? And I still don't see any scumhunting.

Okay, I've read the game now, and feel quite embarrased over my entry into it. Thing is, from ABR's comment I thought there was some kind of pressure for everyone to throw all their food before the deadline. I picked The Fonz randomly, and didn't know anything about anyone's roleclaims. I know you only have my word for this, but this is the truth, although DGB can probably verify that I did indeed not get my role PM until just before I started posting in this game.

Anyway, the argument between BM and Skruffs is pretty bizarre and annoying at times. However, one argument that I felt was very convincing was the discrepancy between the way BM's and Skruff's BB notes worked. Therefore, I find it incredible to learn now that BM only tonight thought of asking for a clarification of the way his BB notes worked - not sure what to make of this, but it certainly doesn't look good. Then again, town-BM is often certain of things that turn out to be wrong, and he has admitted this mistake of his.

Regarding cicero's analysis of the deceased Lowell's attacks, it is an interesting fact that he picked on Gorrad that much. I agree that it looks a little over the top to be distancing, but he did start of doing this very early (which to my mind is a slight sign of possible distancing). Also, it's now clear that there are now most likely two scum groups, right? The administration scum who dismiss students, and the soup scum who boil them. This means that scum as well as town don't necessarily have to be fabricating their cases - scum could be attacking each other across groups. I must say that I got a bad vibe from Gorrad while reading through the game, so he could well be scum.

Unless some other dairy item got thrown at ABR, then the cheese doodles might be it.

In fact, I just looked up the nutritional information for "Cheese Doodles" and they contain calcium, in contrast to the other snack products from the same company, which suggests that cheese doodles are indeed a dairy product (at least in real life)

Interesting - and now Nightfall is dead, and the PR cannot be verified. IMO, Nightfall could have been killed for these reasons:

- ABR is scum, and didn't want his fabricated post restriction to be proven wrong (but then, why would he fabricate something like this in the first place? Hmm ...)

- Someone killed Nightfall in order to make ABR look bad (A stupid use of a NK IMO).

- Nightfall was killed because of good play/someone guessed he was Tar's mason partner (Most likely, I think - not discounting the other options, though).

Btw, regarding Tar's role, yesterday he claimed he had investigative powers, but today he has not revealed any results (only Nightfall's results). Why is this?

The theory of the player list is also highly interesting - we seem to have some strong evidence that people are indeed ordered by their roles (all three gossiping masons grouped together, and the specialised cops grouped together). It's kind of lame that this seems to be game relevant, but I guess everything that's useful for winning is fair game, so ckillor is definitely not a stupid lynch, if only to test this theory.

I look at this post, and I see lots and lots of theory about the setup and plenty of speculation about why a scumgroup might have killed Nightfall (worlds of WIFOM, anyone?), but no actual scumhunting (except maybe his halfhearted "yeah, let's kill ckillor to test the theory"... which he might have supported as scum expecting that the ckillor lynch would discredit the theory, and at the very least generate a mislynch).

Tar ... I have indeed posted since replacing - a few posts, even. It is true that I've been less than active these past few days, but that goes for all my games. I friggin' hate to have to anwer for this, but I thought it would be pretty obvious that this is a busy season for most people. I especially dislike that you should have to ask whether I've posted or not, when this is easy enough to check.

And yes, checking the list, I do see that I/pickem was next to Lowell. This means (only to me, obv) that either the theory of consecutive scum does not hold water, or Lowell's group starts with him. This weakens the theory, IMO. Especially since I agree that ckillor's role both sounds plausible and, if true, not likely to be affiliated with the soup scum.

I would, however, like to hear whom ckillor has blocked.

Weak defense to my attack, nothing less, nothing more. Weak enough to be a null tell, IMO.

Damn - I've lost track of this game. I've looked at it a few times, seen that there's lots of new posts, been daunted, and decided to post later. Sorry.

I see I'm under pressure to claim. That's understandable given the circumstances.

I'm Joy F. Spelling, spelling bee kid. I'm vanilla, far as I can see - no special powers mentioned in my role PM.

Claim is decent, if not great. Still no scumhunting, however - the only post in which Gorgon came close to expressing suspicion was his agreement with the ckillor lynch.

Does anyone else find it a little odd that ckillor claimed RB and yet he turned out to be what I assume is a vanilla townie? Quite

étrange

, is it not? What reason would he have to lie about his role? I'm so confused.

Not only that, but he gave a different name as well. Weird.

Commenting on why another player might have acted as he did instead of. you know, actually offering an opinion of or analysis of other players... seeing a pattern yet?

This game seems to be lagging, and we need to spice it up.

Here's something to chew on: Night two, two players were bashed in the head. Are there any 'motivators' or players that would help someone do more than one night action? If so, whoever they targetted ngiht two may have been scum.

Interesting point. Here's the list of deaths:

DAY 1
skitzer - Irreversibly traumatized, Nola Grand, Vanilla aka "town"

NIGHT 1
JDodge - Boiled in the cauldron, David N. Goliath, Slingshot Kid aka"town"
the silent speaker - Fired, School Secretary, Sabotageur of Bad Behavior Notes, and Protector against School Suspensions, aka "town"

NIGHT 2
Erg0 - expelled, Linus Smart, Administration Cop aka"town"
The Fonz (repl. PlaysWithSquirrels) - bashed in the head, Hans Tubbinger, Cafeteria Cop aka"town"
Nightfall - bashed in the head, Jessica Bumble, Gossiping Mason aka"town"

NIGHT 3
Gorrad - bashed in the head, Antonio Gentile, Peanut Allergy Suffferer aka"town"
vollkan - fired, School Nurse with Burn Kits and EpiPen aka"town"

We have one 'boiled in cauldron' kill N1. Sounds like soup scum. But why were there no kills in this manner N2, nor N3? Did the 'doc' get lucky both nights, or the killer blocked both nights ... or some combination. However you look at it, two nights of no killing are weird.

The firings and expulsions that take place, one per night, sound like admin scum. Nothing unusual here.

I'm not sure what 'bashed in the head' is, but it could easily be a SK. The two bashings N2 could be due to some sort of motivator, yes. Or some special attribute of the role, like an extra single-shot kill?

Again, lots of setup speculation, plenty of WIFOM on scum actions, no player analysis.

Well yeah - it very much seems like the mason-cops are naive. I find it hard to believe that they've used all their investigations on townies.

Anyway, what happened to BM? Did he forget about this game?

Commenting on mason sanities is okay... commenting on mason sanities instead of analyzing other players? Not so much.

Also, possible Gorgon-Battle Mage connection. (Gorgon as admin goon and BM as admin Godfather, with maybe Skruffs as soup Godfather? Wouldn't rule it out.)

I have a sandwich?
I got a prod, requested by someone called Grogon. rofl

BM

That's me. I like grog!

http://arrrr.com/grog/groggroggrog.jpg

Bring the Grog on!

P.S. No, I'm not drunk.

P.P.S. I wish I had some grog to throw.

HEY LOOK, HERE'S A PLAYER WHO'S JOKING AROUND INSTEAD OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE GAME.

[/jdodgemode]

I'm willing to vote Gorgon today. ^.^

There is no reason to assume that the cops are naive or lying based on their investigations, just because they have all received innocents. I belive Tarhalindur is scum, but that's because of slips he's made, but I'm not going to actively go after it yet, scum will eventually have to kill both of them, just because of the risk that they might be un-naive.

Anyone who was in ORK MAFIA should know that sometimes the cops just have horrible investigative skills; Shanba in that game 'cleared' the godfather n1, investigated townies the entire game, and finally found the miller.

Does anyone think they are a miller and would be willing to be investigated to check out that theory?

So, you're willing to vote me because I agreed that the mason-cops seem to be naive? I don't quite understand ...

There were further arguments offered, besides the fact that they have no guilty investigations. One of the strongest ones, IMO, was the fact that none of them have received guilty investigations, and thus I mentioned that. I could have written a long essay where I reiterated all the arguments offered, but I saw no need to.

Also - no, I was not in ORK MAFIA, nor have I read it. You may have wastly superior stores of data to support the assertion that this is not an unusual situation, but I do not. I'm not pulling the newbie card here, just saying that I'm less experienced than you. For example, this is my first large game ever.

Also, how was that assertion scummy? Why would scum be more likely to say it? You left that out of your accusation.

Defense is always a null tell, pulling the newbie card while trying to say that he's not pulling the newbie card, still no player analysis.

I agree that Gorgon's certainty of the gossips being naive points to the possiblitiy of him and probably one of those "cleared" being naive.

What do you mean? Is the second 'naive' supposed to read 'scum', perhaps?

As for your question, Skruffs, no I don't have any clear reason, per se, to believe any of the people cleared are actually guilty. I didn't even have a full grasp of who had been cleared when I said I believed the cops were naive.

I didn't f*cking think things this far. If you want to lynch me for that, go ahead. It's not like I'm in way too many games for my taste anyway.

I get why this is scummy now - it might have indicated that I have the hidden knowledge that one of the people cleared are scum, but it's not. There's of course little I can say at this point to convince you otherwise.

This is why I have been quiet in this game - I don't really know what's going on in it ... and of course the minute I say anything game relevant, it's blown out of proportion like it's a huge tell, just because it's not well thought out. I f*cking hate tells.

Regarding the foreign kids, I'm not sure all of them are town. It's just a little too simplistic to set things up so all the people with foreign language posting restrictions are town, IMO.

Anyway, if I had to vote right now, it would be Yamahoko. The questions that cicero dug up for him were actually quite interesting, and his reluctance to answer them is troublesome.

Cool, player analysis! Problem is that the analysis basically consists of "I agree with Player Y's questions."

Defense is a null tell (though the Skruffs attack is doing a good job of convincing me that, if Skruffs and Gorgon are both scum, then they're on rival teams), foreign kids = setup analysis, nothing more, nothing less.

Anyway, this game started out with 24 people, which is a bit less than 30.

Are

you

paying attention, Skruffs?

Need to look at context to be sure, but I think this is basically filler.

I get why you're going after BM, Skruffs, and I also get why it's not working - BM is too erratic a player, especially when he's town. His scummy behaviour is too easily written off because of this.

I'm not ruling out the possibility that he' scum, though. Especially since he hasn't contributed much of value to this game for quite some time now.

Well, I have to give Gorgon credit - it's player analysis. Incredibly wishy-washy player analysis, yes, but player analysis nonetheless.

Also, I'm really starting to see a Gorgon-BM scumpair here.

Yamahako has an 'innocent' on him, though, right?

True. But if one assumes that the mason-cops are naive, this is irrelevant.

Not that I'm stating this assumption as fact

, but I think it's likely. I do at least think it's quite likely that not all of

three

mason-cops are completely sane. That's just way too overpowered.

Also, the cheerleader nature of the flavour is another indicator, IMO. If they're just gossiping cheerleaders, I'm not sure they'd make for such good actual investigators.

Mason-cop discussion, yes. Player analysis, no. Pinging my scumdar? Definitely.

Tells are tells; they're important, but not that important.

But the biggest tell is lurkish, passive behavior.

Glad you agree. I agree with the second one as well, and know that I am guilty of passiveness in this game. I'm trying to change that now ... a plus is that I'm actually not as insanely busy these days as I was for way too long, so I actually have some time to devote to MS.

Hey, at least he admits it. Not like I think that should necessarily save him, though.

In short, outside of a few recent posts, Gorgon has done absolutely no player analysis (aka scumhunting), despite posting plenty of thoughts on the game setup. I haven't fully analyzed Pickem's posts yet, but a cursory readthrough suggests that pickem failed to provide player analysis as well. That is the IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis) "tell" (for lack of a better term), and it's enough for me to favor your lynch today.

Probably should have posted this case earlier, but other games took precedence.

ALPHA STRIKE: GORGON
Fire celery sticks at Gorgon
Fire cherry tomatoes at Gorgon
Fire cheese at Gorgon

[Tarhalindur]

Cicero as godfather pretty much scuttles the player list theory, I think. Also, with Skruffs coming up town I'm a little more willing to believe that I may be sane after all.

That said, I, as a mason, want to resolve the mason situation today/tonight. Why? See, Korlash has jumped to the top of my scum list. See, I told Korlash last night that I targeted Gorgon. When he replied, he told me that he was also targeting Gorgon. Yeah right. That makes for three identical investigation targets out for four nights, which is ridiculous to the point of scumminess (especially since Korlash's fourth claimed target is dead).

Korlash, I want you to claim your result last night in your next post. I will not reveal my own result until Korlash either claims his result or it is clear that he is not going to do so.

[Tarhalindur]

Once again, I'm realizing just how much of an idiot I've been this game.

After crunching the numbers, I'd say that we're probably equaled or outnumbered by the scum now (5-2-2-1, 6-2-2, 3-3-3-1, 4-3-3 are the logical possibilities unless one scum group is smaller with more power). That means that if we want any chance to win then we need to get the scum to start killing each other.

I think that a massclaim is in order. Anyone else agree?

Known claims:
Tarhalindur: Amber Star, Gossiping Mason (mason-cop). No mod confirmations.
Korlash: Boopsie McClure, Gossiping Mason (mason-cop)
Battle Mage: Gertrude Pulitzer, Vanilla Townie. ALSO CLAIMING BB NOTES - come to think of it, that's probably lynchworthy despite Korlash's scumminess.
Gorgon: Joy F. Spelling, Vanilla Townie.

Unknown: JordanA24 (where the heck is he?), mneme, Blackberry, The Hermit, Flameaxe, Yamahako

[Tarhalindur]

Battle Mage: Gertrude Pulitzer, Vanilla Townie. ALSO CLAIMING BB NOTES - come to think of it, that's probably lynchworthy despite Korlash's scumminess.

wonderful logic again my friend. Not only are you still pushing lynches on those who you can to some extent CONFIRM, you are also hinting that because Skruffs (protown) had BB notes, they are obviously an inherently scummy item. Well done. -.-

BM

Np, I'm saying that I believe that BB notes probably count as a power role and you have claimed vanilla (unless your real role name is Librarian, but that's not the impression I got from your elaboration post).

[Tarhalindur]

BM - Yamahako spat is EXTREMELY interesting, since I have innocents on BOTH. Either that's a townie feud or I can't detect all scum (or even any scum, if I am, as I suspect, Naive).

Moreover, I just had time to look over cicero's poss, and noticed that he was one of the players who really seemed to believe that I am, in fact, Naive. My current, probably unreliable hypothesis is that one of my investigations was used on an Admin goon. The two best candidates for Admin Goon of my investigations, IMO? That would be Yama and BM, in that order. Yama in particular drew my eye for attacking ABR for perceived connections to the Soup Scum and ONLY the Soup Scum, which suggests to me that he's scum trying his hardest to get rival scum lynched.

Frak this, it's gotten to the point where I'm just going to throw any remaining food at Yama and hope for the best. Even Korlash is acting better than him.

Throw all remaining celery sticks, all remaining cherry tomatoes, and all remaining cheese at Yamahako