Mafia 71: The Corsican Syndicate - Game over!

[skitzer]

OK. Wow. What a whirlwind of stuff. Nobody ever said anything about me. Sorry, little egotistical moment. Anyway, my current hunch list is

CKD
Lazy
Saint Freak

In order of hunch strength. Not much to go on, so I will pay close attention to these three and Look at others to.

[WomensRights]

Charges, charges. I can't be bothered to navigate back through this thread. Sum them up for me, unless they equate to "omg he's having fun guys get him', which I suspect they still do.

Well, basically, ChronX said this, and I"m quoting it for you because you're a massive lazy ass:

OK, the pressure on lazy has gotten us some feedback from him, and at this point in the early going I don't want to keep the spotlight on someone for too long; this should be a target rich environment and we will all remember Lazy's play if he messes up again. If he's scum, he probably will do something else worthy of our attention.

Meanwhile, :

UNVOTE

Aimee has posted once, and did a poor job of making use of facts.

reFoS Aimee

for following up a bad post with lurking

There are a number of people who haven't posted since Thursday or early Friday, but I don't want to slap a lurker tag there since I will have weekends where I can't post much or at all myself (see sig). However, Saint Freak's absence since Thursday is remarkable because:

Someone sum up the case against CKD in like, 4 bullet points. I don't have time to read all of this.

Wanting someone else to make the case, often a scum tell.

Eh, a two bullet pointer is hardly worth my vote, but waar must be town as per T/D so I suppose I should follow him.

Unvote: WomensRights
Vote: CKD

Then piles into the CKD wagon with this post, despite saying its hardly worth his vote.

Then "lurks in the open" with three "silly" posts, one of which is a misquote of CKD inside a quote box (uncool), a silly metagame observation, and the truth or dare nonsense (uncool).

Enough to see some votes accumulate on him and get his attention.

VOTE: Saint Freak

And your response was "OMGUS" and then you voted for him while not, you know, saying anything

[windshipper]

STOP VOTING HIM FOR JUST A MOMENT AND LET'S TALK BEFORE HE GETS LYNCHED AND POTENTIALLY WINS THE GAME.

Does anyone else get the feeling that he's a jester? He's not even bothering to respond to anything, he's TRYING to get lynched. If he's a jester, that means he wins the game. That's not good, because then we lose.

Does anyone else get the feeling that he's a jester? Also, cicero, why did you vote him RIGHT AFTER I posted that?

[windshipper]

I also want to add on to this that if he were mafia, he'd try to defend himself so he WOULDN'T get lynched. See my comments about mafia not being able to win a war of attrition in my post against CKD, which he conveniently ignored all of.

[skitzer]

I don't like how you are defending him wind. I understand your point, but isn't he relatively new to this site? I honestly believe Theo did not throw a Jester into this game. That would be stupid.

FoS: Saint Freak

you are being a little foolish in not defending yourself

FoS: windshipper

for outrageousness and defense against SF.

BTW, cicero, how are you...

[WomensRights]

SF is new to this site but not new to mafia. We play it all the time on something awful, where wind, myself, SF, and a good many others in this thread come from...we're on a field trip .

Also FoS is really silly at this point in the game because (unless you're voting for SF or Lazy or CKD or someone else who's near lynch at this point which I don't know because we haven't had a vote count HEM HEM MOD) one vote is not going to make a difference on Day 1. Or Day 2. Or any day that isn't LYLO.

[cicero]

STOP VOTING HIM FOR JUST A MOMENT AND LET'S TALK BEFORE HE GETS LYNCHED AND POTENTIALLY WINS THE GAME.

Does anyone else get the feeling that he's a jester? He's not even bothering to respond to anything, he's TRYING to get lynched. If he's a jester, that means he wins the game. That's not good, because then we lose.

Does anyone else get the feeling that he's a jester? Also, cicero, why did you vote him RIGHT AFTER I posted that?

I missed your Jester line and was irritated by his flippancy. And never really realised that a Jester win meant a town loss. I always think of it as more of a town annoyance. Anyway I think he's probably just a flippant guy not taking the game seriously and I really don't like that. But fine... since I'm sure we've made our point. For now...

Unvote

[windshipper]

I'm not defending him. I just don't want to vote off the jester on day 1. I've never played a game on mafia scum either, but Saint Freak has played in games before. I know this for a fact because he and I are from the same board. He's never played like this though, which is what makes me wonder if he's a jester or some other type of role like that. I just really don't want to do that.

How sure are you that Theo wouldn't put a jester in this game? Sorry, I've just never played a game on this forum before so I don't know what mods would do what.

[Lemming1607]

unless the game ends if the jester wins, I don't really care about jesters. Plus they are the exception to the rule, and you can't just go around thinking, "oh god what if he's the jester." No one would get lynched.

I think he's just a shitty player that refuses to contribute

[Saint Freak]

I think he's just a shitty player that refuses to contribute

So you don't think I'm scum, but it would still be AWESOME to lynch me anyhoo. Way to be town-esque

[skitzer]

I think FoS's are just fine right now, IMO. And plus, I didn't post until now. And I'm sorry for criticizing SFs knowledge of the game.

[cicero]

SF is new to this site but not new to mafia. We play it all the time on something awful, where wind, myself, SF, and a good many others in this thread come from...we're on a field trip .

Also FoS is really silly at this point in the game because (unless you're voting for SF or Lazy or CKD or someone else who's near lynch at this point which I don't know because we haven't had a vote count HEM HEM MOD) one vote is not going to make a difference on Day 1. Or Day 2. Or any day that isn't LYLO.

Far be it from me to defend Skitzer who I've certainly had sharp words with in the recent past in another game... but I barely understood your logic there. FOS isn't silly here, at least not in my somewhat limited experience (I'm no guru, just a reasonably quick study). It's just a good shorthand way of pointing out who people suspect and is used at all sorts of stages. Maybe you do it differently over at SA but it isn't "silly" here. That having been said Skitzer is pretty new to the game and, by his own admission, has a lot to learn and I anticipate may get admonished for lots of things. But that particular criticism was not necessary I don't think.

I think you mean "just vote someone". But I don't think it's your place to demand that. Peroonally I'll be voting when I'm good and ready and I don't like people trying to control the town's play that way.

On the other side, I agree with you, WR.

More vote counts are pretty much necessary in a game with this pace.

[cicero]

I think he's just a shitty player that refuses to contribute

So you don't think I'm scum, but it would still be AWESOME to lynch me anyhoo. Way to be town-esque

You're in no position to lecture anyone on towniness at this point.

[skitzer]

I believe admonished means criticized, therefore you are correct but I am trying not to be so criticizable, because then I get very irritant and somehow get modkilled.

[cicero]

I believe admonished means criticized, therefore you are correct but I am trying not to be so criticizable, because then I get very irritant and somehow get modkilled.

Yes... let's try to avoid that this time, shall we

[windshipper]

Irritant...modkilled? Oops...

[cicero]

Irritant...modkilled? Oops...

Meh. He just didnt read the rules carefully enough and made a big noobie mistake but it isn't like he did anything poisonous. Don't get the wrong idea.

[WomensRights]

Far be it from me to defend Skitzer who I've certainly had sharp words with in the recent past in another game... but I barely understood your logic there. FOS isn't silly here, at least not in my somewhat limited experience (I'm no guru, just a reasonably quick study). It's just a good shorthand way of pointing out who people suspect and is used at all sorts of stages. Maybe you do it differently over at SA but it isn't "silly" here. That having been said Skitzer is pretty new to the game and, by his own admission, has a lot to learn and I anticipate may get admonished for lots of things. But that particular criticism was not necessary I don't think.

I think you mean "just vote someone". But I don't think it's your place to demand that. Peroonally I'll be voting when I'm good and ready and I don't like people trying to control the town's play that way.

I've gotten in to this argument on SA with people before, but at this stage in the game I do find the FoS to be silly. It's 1 vote. It's not going to hurt anyone. If you find someone suspicious, put a vote on them to put some pressure on them so that they take you seriously. An FoS is basically useless right now.

It's also a way for scum to say "Oh yeah I kind of suspect this person" without leaving a vote trail that leads back to them. Townies shouldn't be afraid of their votes. Scum hold on to theirs like precious jewels and dole them out after careful consideration because they don't want anything coming back to them.

[windshipper]

No, no, I was referring to myself...Not him.

[cicero]

I'm not defending him. I just don't want to vote off the jester on day 1. I've never played a game on mafia scum either, but Saint Freak has played in games before. I know this for a fact because he and I are from the same board. He's never played like this though, which is what makes me wonder if he's a jester or some other type of role like that. I just really don't want to do that.

How sure are you that Theo wouldn't put a jester in this game? Sorry, I've just never played a game on this forum before so I don't know what mods would do what.

He could very well be a jester. My understanding is that they are in play with some regularity. I'm not sure of the ratio of games with and without though. But Skitzer is wrong to dismiss the possibility.

[cicero]

Far be it from me to defend Skitzer who I've certainly had sharp words with in the recent past in another game... but I barely understood your logic there. FOS isn't silly here, at least not in my somewhat limited experience (I'm no guru, just a reasonably quick study). It's just a good shorthand way of pointing out who people suspect and is used at all sorts of stages. Maybe you do it differently over at SA but it isn't "silly" here. That having been said Skitzer is pretty new to the game and, by his own admission, has a lot to learn and I anticipate may get admonished for lots of things. But that particular criticism was not necessary I don't think.

I think you mean "just vote someone". But I don't think it's your place to demand that. Peroonally I'll be voting when I'm good and ready and I don't like people trying to control the town's play that way.

I've gotten in to this argument on SA with people before, but at this stage in the game I do find the FoS to be silly. It's 1 vote. It's not going to hurt anyone. If you find someone suspicious, put a vote on them to put some pressure on them so that they take you seriously. An FoS is basically useless right now.

It's also a way for scum to say "Oh yeah I kind of suspect this person" without leaving a vote trail that leads back to them. Townies shouldn't be afraid of their votes. Scum hold on to theirs like precious jewels and dole them out after careful consideration because they don't want anything coming back to them.

Great - your opinion is noted. And I understand your point. But I'm going to ignore it now though. Mostly because of your unnecessary use of the inflammatory word "silly". We usually bold our FOS's here. You can track em just fine with the drop down menu below. If you think such FOS's in and of themselves offer a scum trail then you should positive this theory of yours later on when you can trap someone with it. Not early on so you can warn your scumbuddies. so a minor

FOS: Women's Rights [/b} to you. See how that works?

[cicero]

EBWOP: That should read

FOS Women's Rights

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Mod can edit that and delete this if he likes.

Note to self: Preview button!!! Use Preview button!!!

[WomensRights]

Great - your opinion is noted. And I understand your point. But I'm going to ignore it now though. Mostly because of your unnecessary use of the inflammatory word "silly". We usually bold our FOS's here. You can track em just fine with the drop down menu below. If you think such FOS's in and of themselves offer a scum trail then you should positive this theory of yours later on when you can trap someone with it. Not early on so you can warn your scumbuddies. so a minor

FOS: Women's Rights [/b} to you. See how that works?

How is the word "silly" inflammatory?

[Tarhalindur]

I'm not defending him. I just don't want to vote off the jester on day 1. I've never played a game on mafia scum either, but Saint Freak has played in games before. I know this for a fact because he and I are from the same board. He's never played like this though, which is what makes me wonder if he's a jester or some other type of role like that. I just really don't want to do that.

How sure are you that Theo wouldn't put a jester in this game? Sorry, I've just never played a game on this forum before so I don't know what mods would do what.

Your use of the "he might be a Jester! argument just shot you to the top of my scumdar.

The possibility of a Jester completely irrelevant to us unless the Jester win ends the game (which generally isn't the case in large games). As long as the town fulfills its win condition, we don't care about whether a neutral gets to win with us - in fact, Jesters are typically enough of a distraction that it's in the town's interests to let them fulfill their win condition early on.

By way of contrast, the possibility of a Jester is relevant to the scum, since they can use that possibility to distract and confuse the town. More to the point, I've seen scum bring Jesters up so much recently that I currently consider it voteworthy by itself.

Unvote, Vote: Windshipper

[Lemming1607]

I think he's just a shitty player that refuses to contribute

So you don't think I'm scum, but it would still be AWESOME to lynch me anyhoo. Way to be town-esque

is this one of those "if I defend myself I will look scummy" arguments? cause it's pretty funny