New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Boem_u_dusi]

I'm fine with both Wake and Titus in the game for now, at least for balance. I'll have to reread Titus though, not sure if Wake's reasoning is actually confirmation bias or not.

Rereading and extrapolating evidence from D1 will be a huge pain, but I believe it contains almost all information we need so we should start doing that.

That Lapsa kill was very weird, I expected Zach or Dunnstral getting killed. AGar wagon was likely a distraction from Vedith so he's close to being clear town for me.

[Wake1]

I'm not answering dumb questions like that. Get off of Titus and stop asking me stuff

You should know why

Why did you kill

Lapsa

, Dunnstral?

[Dunnstral]

Wee a lynch

vc 1.22

Titus (3):

Lapsa

, Varsoon, Wake88

Vedith

(10):

AGar, Performer, PeregrineV, Zachstralkita, beeboy, Titus, Transcend, Boem_u_dusi, shannon, Dunnstral

AGar (4):

Airick10, Almost50, podoboq, implosion

shannon (2):

Mirhawk, Vedith

Not Voting:

None

The last 6 people on all quick wagoned Vedith (and I townread all of them)

[Zachstralkita]

I'm a 1-shot vigilante, I shot Lapsa.

.................

Why did you kill

Lapsa

, Dunnstral?

I'm not answering dumb questions like that. Get off of Titus and stop asking me stuff

You should know why

...........................................................................

Read: I'm having a hard time making up something that sounds reasonable



Ok scum probably targeted me LMFAO but I had someone looking out for me

[Dunnstral]

UH I was selling Lapsa/Mirhawk/A50 all day yesterday and ALL 3 were off the mafia wagon

It's still worth getting A50 and Mirhawk imo

Probably no kill from mafia because I got docced.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Ignore my comment about Performer, while I was ISO-ing him I missed that he actually voted for Vedith so he's also fine for me.

[Dunnstral]

So how's my idea of lynching all mason claims looking now? Nice one, Dunn.

Also I don't think I want to play with you again. Not sure why you were blaming me when you were also at fault for not saying L-1 and having voted as well

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Almost50

I think this is where I want to go today. Titus is absolutely town so back off

[Wake1]

So how's my idea of lynching all mason claims looking now? Nice one, Dunn.

Also I don't think I want to play with you again. Not sure why you were blaming me when you were also at fault for not saying L-1 and having voted as well

Take some responsibility for your own actions. I'll hold that hot iron to you.

YOU should have checked to see if your target was at L1 before placing your vote.

If I can do it every game with no issues, you can do it as well.

[Dunnstral]

Implosion and podoboq also look bad from the vote count analysis, having jumped on agar when it became sort of a counter-wagon

[Boem_u_dusi]

Zachstral shannon maf team

If I was a mafia team with him I'd have replaced out by now, I can only imagine how annoying mafia chat must be

OK, top 3 reasons to vote Boem then

I am actually starting to town read Zach a bit. Town on both the mason claims obv.

Scummish on Boem, the overall vibe of his posts just feels off to me but I don't know him so it might be normal for him. I don't think i'ts correct that replacements are more likely to be scum and I don't accept that as a reason for voting.

I don't like Performer's 'no lynch' vote.


VOTE: Sick of it

Not much time to really engage today as I'm ripping out our kitchen (FUN). I appreciate the people who have commented that I'm town but suck at playing it!

Quickly going to VOTE: Agar for no reason other than his is the majority wagon and I want to help town lynch *someone* today.

Wake I'm townreading you at the moment, but I don't like your tone at the start of this game. We lynched a strong mafia PR, you should chill a little. Stay focused and do scumhunting of course, but you're acting too bossy.

Place to look for scum is AGar wagon.

P.S. That Titus tunneling is getting stale imo.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Stupid multiquote, I was doing ISO on shannon

[Dunnstral]

shannon is town

[Dunnstral]

Also guess what, mafia probably had no kill because they were on me and I got docced


Seriously we need to do vote count analysis. Look at the counter-wagon thing that formed on Agar and look at the speed wagon on Vedith

[Wake1]

Quickly going to VOTE: Agar for no reason other than his is the majority wagon and I want to help town lynch *someone* today.

Wake I'm townreading you at the moment, but I don't like your tone at the start of this game. We lynched a strong mafia PR, you should chill a little. Stay focused and do scumhunting of course, but you're acting too bossy.[/quote]

I'm hunting Titus at the moment, in spite of you running interference. And I'm not 'acting bossy,' either. If you're going to say so you ought to explain yourself with links. And how exactly is Neopolitan as strong Mafia PR?

As for my tone I don't particularly care about your personal issues. All I care about is solving this puzzle. All those interactions by Titus regarding Nosferatu is deserving of scrutiny. Why are you ignoring my 2753? I collected all of those actions, and I want you to provide actual feedback. Not just an 'oh, yeah, that, uh-huh' or dead silence. Say something! At least try to show me that you give a damn about the game, and are interested in a list of Day 1 actions.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Seems like Wake is also having some multiquote issues.

[Dunnstral]

I will say, if mafia did target me that actually makes Titus a bit more suspicious unfortunately

[Boem_u_dusi]

I think I'm going to reread implosion, that gut read by Nosferatu was weird.

[Wake1]

So if it's multi-ball then both killed Lapsa, and if Dunnstral actually is what he says he is then he also targeted Lapsa. What the HELL did Lapsa ever do to you guys?

But seriously, I'm beginning to feel we're not in Multi-ball. Either it's ScumvTown and they killed Lapsa, or Dunnstral is Town and Mafia attempted to kill someone else and they failed. OR Dunn and Scum both targeted Lapsa... but why?

Players are never killed for no reason, and I want Dunnstral to explain why he killed Lapsa.

Should we entertain the notion that if there's a Town PR like Jailkeeper or Roleblocker they should out who they targeted? If there's a Doctor or some other protective Town role he or she should stay quiet about it.

[Dunnstral]

I actually haven't really been paying attention to Vedith's posts. My early reason for townreading sickofit decayed over time but his tone in his most recent post sounds really genuine.

Looking at Vedith's ISO I think I'm willing to lynch the slot. Nos was one of my weakest townreads and his take on the Titus thing feels kind of like he wants to policy lynch her for the fakeclaim without calling it a policy lynch. It feels like he might be scum who feels like scum is entitled to the mislynch after Titus misplayed. "Claiming mason when you are not mason is scum to me" in 2142 is a very 1-dimensional view of the game.

Unvote

VOTE: Vedith

Unvote

VOTE: AGar

I prefer him to Vedith. Still willing to compromise on Vedith though.

Low posting lurkers or low content lurkers?

I don't know, you tell me which of these categories the scumreads that I have very clearly elucidated fall into.

Another trend I'm noticing in this game that I very heavily disagree with. There are multiple people that I believe are town (Wake, Lapsa) that are seeing certain things happening and essentially abstractly deciding that those things must be meaningful: in Wake's case the resistance to Titus's wagon, in Lapsa's case the 'connection' between Varsoon and Zach. I really just abhor this kind of reasoning of seeing that something has happened, being unable to explain it, and therefore assuming it must have some deeper reason.

People are pushing against the Titus wagon because there are really good reasons to believe that she's town. Her play today has been very divisive (and it's the kind of play that we should expect to be divisive). So it isn't strange that there are large numbers of people calling for her lynch and large numbers vocally opposing that lynch. No one is pushing against the Vedith wagon because those strong reasons don't exist for him, so no one feels strongly enough that he is town to vocally oppose it.

The Zach/Varsoon thing is just meaningless. The way they acted together in no way implies a connection beyond one of them implicitly asking the other to fakeclaim masons with them, and the other acquiescing.

I really have nothing useful to say here. I don't know what some people saw in AGar's recent posting that looked town to them. He's saying reasonable things but they aren't really town-indicative reasonable things. His most recent post at least is just like, a neutral description of how town should play. Describing how town should play does not make you town. You could argue that it mitigates the points about him switching off Titus and that's fair but that doesn't make him town. If AGar is scum (and Vedith isn't trolling) then these last couple of wagons will be a goldmine of analysis.

[Dunnstral]

So if it's multi-ball then both killed Lapsa

Why are you assuming it's multi-ball when there was only one kill? Which I claimed

I don't think mafia would target lapsa. I think it was doctored or roleblocked (and yes, if it was a roleblocker type they should out it)

[Wake1]

So if it's multi-ball then both killed Lapsa

Why are you assuming it's multi-ball

when there was only one kill? Which I claimed

I don't think mafia would target lapsa. I think it was doctored or roleblocked (and yes, if it was a roleblocker type they should out it)

Do not

put words in my mouth.

I consider the possibilities. I do not assume.

If you're Town,

don't do that

.

[Wake1]

Why did you kill

Lapsa

, Dunnstral?

[Dunnstral]

Players are never killed for no reason, and I want Dunnstral to explain why he killed Lapsa.

I did.

Why did you kill

Lapsa

, Dunnstral?

I'm ignoring you now.

[Wake1]

I think I'm going to reread implosion, that gut read by Nosferatu was weird.

Boem, Dunnstral will not tell me why he killed Lapsa.

As Town, aren't you curious?