JordanA24 wrote:Eh? Where did you get this from Thesp? It seemed quite obvious that he was saying he didn't want to hunt scum, just roll the dice instead.
IIRC, his comment appeared to me to be a pointed shot at those who were simply rolling dice and not doing anything else in the game. That seemed very different from not wanting to hunt scum - he was taking a shot at those who were using dice-rolling as an activity excuse.
JordanA24 wrote:Why? And why are you saying you'd be happy with lynches this early?
I often mis-read JordanA24 in a similar way to another player - I mis-read his anti-town play as coming from an anti-town role, rather than sub-optimal play. I think I was suspicious of Mojo for his only two content posts to that date, which were the post which I thought he misinterpreted of Dagger, and the bandwagon on Nocmen, which sat uneasily with me.
JordanA24 wrote:Hang on, you said in your post, you weren't fond of the Nocmen wagon, yet you didn't take your vote off him. Explain please.
Good question. I don't know. I might not have thought of my vote being on Nocmen or forgotten about it, but I don't know.
Thesp wrote:Because I think you're full of it, and giving suspect reasons for your early attacks.
Second reason is OK, but the first is an example of lynching the player not the role, never a good thing for the town to do.[/quote]
I didn't think he was full of it
in general as a player
, I thought he was full of it
in this game
, and I thought he was lying.
JordanA24 wrote:Why do you need a vote count? Surely you should just vote for who you find scummiest. Asking for a vote count makes it look like you want to bandwagon. I find this statement very scummy.
Actually, it's for the reasons Seol mentioned - with the deadline coming up, where the vote was would matter, and voting for someone with 0 votes would be worse than insignificant.
JordanA24 wrote:Bit quick to jump to conclusions, aren't we?
I've noticed a propensity for people to think the ideal fake-claim for SK is Vig. I wanted to see reactions, and I didn't think the N0 kill was pro-town.
JordanA24, re: vig comments wrote:Quite a change of tune, why?
Because people weren't getting the message. People starting trying to tell the vig what to do, rather than make suggestions. It was more directed than I was comfortable with, and I wanted to shut it down.
JordanA24 wrote:Thesp wrote:Mokina wrote:No matter who the cop is, they should take into account the possibility of sanity issues. CES's reasoning makes a lot of sense, admittedly. Pointing it out would be very protown if he wasn't expecting a roleclaim.
Except he is. He wants the entire thread to know the cop's identity, and that's a rather scummy motive.
FoS: CES
Thanks for outing yourself as kilmenator's partner.
Why the frick would CES want the whole thread to know the cop's identity? Wouldn't that key in the doctor to who the cop is? That, it seems to me, would be bad for scum. Now, I am in no way suggesting the cop should out themselves or drop hints or anything at this point (for all we know, the scum have a roleblocker, see prior argument re: directing the vig). Yet it seems the manner in which CES did it is decidedly not more likely to come from scum than town - note that he asked only one person, and even gave them an out and said they didn't have to answer. (Besides, scum hunt for cops at night with their buddies, not during the day, as they don't want the town to know who the cop is.) This attack is weak, opportunistic, and merely posing as scum-hunting. (I also thought the sanity-issues line was a pre-emptive attack on a power role, which is also scummy.)
Unvote: kilmenator, Vote: Mokina. I'd vote kilmenator to avoid a no-lynch, but I'm more certain of Mokina.
I am 1000% against a CES lynch today.
In this post, you seem way too sure that CES is town, and you're basing all your suspicions (and the fact that you wouldn't mind if the cop claimed) on your certainty that he is.
It wasn't so much that - I wasn't comfortable with how he was being approached. I thought the attacks on him were misguided/scummy, and I thought based on his posts he was significantly more likely to be town than those who were attacking him.
JordanA24, re:my attack on his approach towards me & CES wrote:And who's the one that's been making links between players all game? This seems horribly hypocritical to me.
It wasn't because of making links - it was based on
how
you made them. Notwithstanding that scum rarely openly defend their partners, you seemed to be throwing suspicion on anyone who would making reasonable statements which suggested CES was town, and that felt like intimidation.
bertrand wrote:@Thesp: I didn't mean that if Jordan were scum he would have nightkilled me. I mean, if he were scum, he would have just voted me off now and won.
Ah, that makes more sense now.
I will note that there were a lot more questions for me than bertrand, which I suspect is a byproduct of activity. Looks to me like bertrand has been lying low and avoiding the spotlight. I do think this:
JordanA24 wrote:You replaced in on Post 17, and yet you're opening post basically said this:
Bertrand wrote:We don't have a really good case on anyone. Though CES is probably our beat lead, I'n not nearly ready for a lynch. We need to find more things to discuss..
CES was the only person you mentioned, this is scummy IMO. During the game, you seem to have been pretty much in the background and hardly ever posting anything big.
...is quite perceptive. Scum here ideally would like to not be associated with the lynch of a townie, yet still see it happen, and his first two posts do this precisely. There were other alternatives, but talking them up may steal the thunder from a CES lynch, and continuing with the general apathy which the town seemed to have would most likely lead to a CES lynch. His play coming in is terribly consistent with how scum would come in.
bertrand wrote:CES was the only person I thought was the slightest bit scummy, we didn't have much... what did you want me to do? Pretend someone was scummy?
There was no dishonesty in that post.
I disagree entirely that we didn't have much at that point, and if we didn't have much at 17 pages(!), perhaps something ought to be made, which you were reticent to do. Also, "methink he doth protest too much" on "There was no dishonesty in that post". Comments like that more frequently come from someone who think they won't be believed. (I can bring up some textual/literary criticism on that point if need be.)
