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This is why I am Town reading Exp. I don't see Scum coming up with reasons like this.In post 1238, Expedience wrote:
Yes, but you don't actually think that I'm scum. You just don't like it when people call you scum, and the first reason that bring up is that you don't like being voted, not that you think it's a scumtell or anything.In post 1029, Luna Fox wrote:
Fixed that for you.In post 996, Expedience wrote:
No, this is why Luna Fox is voting me.In post 838, Luna Fox wrote:
Because he's been calling me scumIn post 829, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummyand i don't like thatfor no reason
"Because he's accusing me and when I'm town I OMGUS people "
Maybe just maybe if you want to ML people you should at least try to read their posts you know.
It's as if you gave an RVS justification for a vote that's supposed to be serious and that's scummy as fuck.
This is complete bullshit, we have played 3 games and you somehow only managed to remember the one from like a year ago, and claimed that it was the only game. You're clearly pretending to misremember.In post 1050, Luna Fox wrote:
Isn't that the blitz game where you were scum.In post 1033, Expedience wrote:Yes except for the game where I played with your main and basically trolled, didn't explain my read on you at all and you got upset about it.
Blatantly lying? no, Misremembering maybe, I don't go fact check everytime I remember something. And I'm all ears and open to your explanations i've been all game, yet you still haven't explained a single thing about your scumread on me.In post 1033, Expedience wrote:You're blatantly lying about your meta knowledge of my play to accuse me of being scum, and you're scum.
You probably forgot that I knew who your main was, and thought you could get away with lying. You are deliberately faking your understanding of my meta and that basically confirms you as scum. Like, it's an explicit thing.
You could not say this in earnest after saying things like this in the past.Hydra of LicketyQuickety and Suzune-
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Ok.In post 1395, Luna Fox wrote:
I would prefer Yellow magic fox insteadIn post 1392, Titus wrote:purple flying monsterShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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no i said your reasons for calling the "pgo claim" town were crapIn post 1403, No Retreat wrote:@Heartless ok so....I called him null, Luna asked why a50 was all up in your grill and then you pushed back on me. Would you say that is correct?-
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In post 430, KuroiXHF wrote:Why are people voting? This game hasn't even started, have they?
I didn't much like either of these posts. I know we've talked a little about the second one but why in the world would you say that...like whats the point?In post 457, KuroiXHF wrote:I can't believe we found scum before the game even began...
You also voted TWIE for sheeping but not Luna so that's p strange. Other than that you don't really have anything. So why should I not want your head on a pike?-
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Yeah, I get that, but don't through the baby out with the bath water.In post 1272, Cane + Able wrote:
PoE implies you have a number of townreads you are unwilling to vote.In post 1270, Luna Fox wrote:
If it's a likelihood what was the point of dave's question.In post 1264, Cane + Able wrote:
It's d1.In post 1263, Luna Fox wrote:
Because i currently dont feel any of the current wagons, I feel like we're missing something.In post 1262, davesaz wrote:
Whoa, PoE in a 28 player in d1?In post 1255, Luna Fox wrote:I'm most likely to vote on ppl out of PoE at this point.
That's going to take a heap of explaining.
In a large.
That's a likelihood.
D1.
In a large.Hydra of LicketyQuickety and Suzune-
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Should I vote you for this misrep y/n?In post 1406, Heartless wrote:
no i said your reasons for calling the "pgo claim" town were crapIn post 1403, No Retreat wrote:@Heartless ok so....I called him null, Luna asked why a50 was all up in your grill and then you pushed back on me. Would you say that is correct?-
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what the fuck are you talking about nero?-
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oh wait... "twitch" means something... i forgotIn post 1393, Heartless wrote:
/gaspIn post 1383, No Retreat wrote:
*twitch twitch twitch*In post 1380, Luna Fox wrote:His claim's a double edged sword, because night active roles cant confirm his alignment either.
you mean there's clear scum motivation for not wanting to be targeted at night and your earlier point was crap?
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yes... i even said that myself to toogIn post 1411, No Retreat wrote:you are experienced enough to know that its the correct play to claim a negative (miller/PGO what have you not) utility role early.
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In post 1406, Heartless wrote:
no i said your reasons for calling theIn post 1403, No Retreat wrote:@Heartless ok so....I called him null, Luna asked why a50 was all up in your grill and then you pushed back on me. Would you say that is correct?"pgo claim" town were crap-
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read it again
and again
and again
until you understand that "all pgo claims are town" and "all town pgos should claim"
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Vote: Wayward Thinker
After reading over that iso fully, I think my vote is best placed here. (well maybe not when A50 is right there)
After the early game posts from LQ which I think were scummy, there are even more gripes I have with the push on Rb and the way the nosferatu read was handled.
Post 492 develops it (along with less than reasonable town reads imo) while post 500 expands on it with a reason that wouldn't be considered scummy (it's town's job to push their opinions, how else are they going to convince people to lynch someone they think is scum?). But that's as far as it gets. Already in post 501 it slowly dissolves, and I don't see why it should at that point. Nosferatu's post theredoeslook pretty gross at first blush. The exchange that can be read in full in post 538 between C+A and WT is bizarre to say the least, and to say more, it looks like a series of dodges on questions about the Nosferatu read that make absolutely 0 sense (Especially, "Unsure. I think it will be more telling with a few flips." ) but the Nosferatu read which is still supposedly being reevaluated doesn't resurface until post 928, in which there's no indication any additional thought was put into it.
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As for the Rb push, firstly, the original reasons mentioned in post 629 for the vote are not intrinsically scummy. Those percentages are plenty obnoxious but not scummy. Sheeping people is par for the course of both alignments. But those reasons cease to hold value after TW retcons them into a pressure vote due to a behavior not exhibited by the known meta of either town!rb or scum!rb. I can just barely see that the natural pressure of being scum could make someone act out (but then again, rb didn't in his scum game with WT), but that's in a vacuum. As was pointed out, Rb was antagonizing Luna (so maybe the better question to ask was, "does rb fuck around with a specific player as scum?") but that's entirely lost on WT. That's pretty clear from post 918, which also happens to contain both "We scum read you" and "we voted for pressure" (and a misrep involving skepticism). That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works!
Meanwhile one of the reads in 928 amounts to an OMGUS against Salt Squad when their pushback was clearly justified
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@Cephir: I'm going at my own pace, and I think a reasonable one for the course of 2 days time, but its impossible for me to tackle everything at once and I did leave what amounted to post-it notes to other issues that (one of which I am addressing in this post) I wanted to get to . I chose to focus on Heartless because at the time their only agreed scum read was me, and as far as scum reads go it was both weak and yet most of their focus up until then. I'm not convinced it came from an honest town perspective, and still want to continue the dialogue.
Speaking of, I'm still interested in TTH's response.
@pedit: It's not even necessarily a PGO claim, but yes, the claim was strictly null-
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That doesnt sound like it in here:In post 1422, No Retreat wrote:I AM NOT CLAIMING THAT HIM BEING A PGO MAKES HIM TOWN, I AM CLAIMING THAT HIM CLAIMING PGO WAS THE CORRECT AND PRO-TOWN THING TO DO. There is a huge diffrence.
Since you're implying the PGO type role claim would nullify the "sucky readslist"In post 1369, No Retreat wrote:Almost is null. His "readslist" sucked but claiming the PGO type role was pro-town.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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This ^In post 1369, No Retreat wrote:Almost is null. His "readslist" sucked but claiming the PGO type role was pro-town.Hydra of LicketyQuickety and Suzune-
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In post 1422, No Retreat wrote:I AM NOT CLAIMING THAT HIM BEING A PGO MAKES HIM TOWN, I AM CLAIMING THAT HIM CLAIMING PGO WAS THE CORRECT AND PRO-TOWN THING TO DO. There is a huge diffrence.
OH OK YEAH HUGE DIFFERENCE IT WAS JUST ENOUGH TO COMPENSATE FOR "SUCK" READLIST BUT YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT MADE HIM TOWNIn post 1369, No Retreat wrote:Almost is null. His "readslist" sucked but claiming the PGO type role was pro-town.
THAT'S SO OBVIOUS
GOD I'M SO STUPID HOW DID I NOT SEE THAT?
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