You claimed it first >_>In post 4761, Luna Fox wrote:And you also claimed i was in it.In post 4760, Stormblade wrote:I just got drunk and claimed I was in it.
But as you've seen i've been scared of you guys getting lynched and being town.
I HAD to do something.
Like i feel you guys are just being unfair to me.
Not that I'm aware of?In post 4766, Salt Squad wrote:Wasn't a difference between Luna and LLD's wincon the reason people suspect LLD or am I wrong on this oneIn post 4765, RAM wrote:What? How is this relevant?In post 4762, Salt Squad wrote:I think it is bullshit you guys where letting all the momentum head in the direction of LLD when you could have just claimed undead earlier.
-Cerb
You claimed to be in a factional hood before I said that, dude.Luna Fox wrote:Well when you claimed "hi mason buddy" as your read on me, what did you want me to do?In post 4764, Stormblade wrote:You claimed it first >_>
I'm not mad at you. I fucked up too. I'm just saying...
Either way, what's done is done, i still believe everything i've done is in order to protect us because i've believed being wrong on who is scum can be fatal, yet im the one being accused here of trolling.
In post 1653, Luna Fox wrote:Well since it's come to this i'll just flat out mention that.
1) i'm in a NEIGHBORHOOD with other players, who are either the same race as me or are scum.
2) This also goes along the lines with ABR shouldn't be paranoid about cults.
3) ABR has also been pretty silent in the neighborhood.
Ergo my scumread on Storm.
Sorry to hear I'll be hurting your reliability scores then.In post 4784, Wayward Thinker wrote:You just pulled one of my secret scum tells I look for, congrats.In post 4362, Stormblade wrote:rb, you do realize there's a huge number of factions in this game, right? I'm 99% every faction we've seen flip so far is town, though not necessarily all of them can win with each other. I'm also like, 90% the Individual Human faction could win with ANY of them. There's nothing I've seen that requires the Individual Human Faction to be a group of xenophobic fuckheads. Literally the factions that have flipped thus far are confirmed town based on mechanics; their wincons are "eliminates all threats" not "control's 50% of the votes" which is listed as the scum wincon in the mechanics post. You need to stop being so closed-minded about this, actually look at the flavor of the people who are flipping, and really THINK "does this sound like a threat to me?" rather than just seeing "oh it's a faction oh hurr durr vampires r evil guess that's scum."
The way this town works is that there's various town factions, all or virtually all of which have a number of mutual enemies (right now I suspect a Wulden and Nosferatu faction, as well as a full cult we're mod confirmed to know nothing about, not the recruiter factions we've seen which were explained in the mechanics posts). However, not every town faction can necessarily win with every town faction, there MIGHT be some conflict there. But again, I'm positive the Individual Humans are the neutrals that can win with all of them.
-Nahdia
So does the Individual Wulden faction have a recruit?In post 4801, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:To be clear to everyone lynching me for cult panic.In post 4797, mastin2 wrote:Another point of clarification:
FACTIONAL RECRUITS:
There may be some slight moderator inconsistency in these that would cause confusion. However, the following facts are both public and true:
-Unless otherwise specified,ALL non-human factions have a recruit.
-Unless otherwise specified,This recruit can ONLY succeed on HUMANS.
-Unless otherwise specified,Only one recruit per faction can succeed.
This one, in particular, may be confusing. Say Player X and Player Y share the same win condition.
If Player X and Player Y both attempt to recruit during the same night, both recruits will fail.
If Player X attempted a recruit and failed N1, but Player Y attempted a valid recruit N2, Player Y will succeed.
If Player X attempted a recruit N1 and succeeded, then Player Y attempting a recruit N2 will fail no matter what.
If you have further questions, continue to ask them, and I will continue to give clarifications as I see them.
For further reading, refer to the second-to-last bulletpoint in the mechanics post.
"ALL NON HUMAN FACTIONS HAVE A RECRUIT UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED."
Specifying factions and not RACES, should tell you everything you need to know about Individual Wulden and whether I have anything to do with a cult, so.
Ok, yeah. Individual Vampires are confirmed as a town wincon. As is everything we've seen flip :\
Reasonable point, I'll try to explain. Basically, there's a LOT of indication that Wulden are our enemies, especially for me because my faction's "spy" should it exist is Wulden. Basically, the vote was a knee-jerk reaction because I want the Wulden scumteam dead. Not to mention putting pressure on the slot is one way to get them to explain themselves faster, though I can't honestly claim that's what was going through my head. Forgive me if this game has left me frazzled. Once LLD explained themselves and I really thought about it, I backed off. ABR still thinks they're scum though so I guess we're voting there.In post 4864, MathBlade wrote:Stormblade hopping on the LLD wagon without seemingly interacting with the Salt Squad claim makes almost no sense. It seems VERY opportunistic to say the least. It's one of the reasons that I think something funny is going on. But see the thing is I had a town read on them beforehand. It could be possible that Stormblade like the majority of everyone else seems to confuse race and wincon but it contributes to my punting on the Salt Squad bit for now. They said it doesn't 100% indicate it, yet they vote it as if it DOES and don't ask any investigative questions before doing so. They eventually unvote at entertaining the possibility, but if they knew it wasn't 100% indicative why weren't they asking questions first?
INCOHERENT******** (gonna also post content so this isn't more filler)In post 4874, Stormblade wrote:I used "Basically," twice in a row god I can't talk anymore just pretend I'm not so goddamn coherent
-_-'In post 4878, MathBlade wrote:PEDIT: Nadha -- Or you could think for yourself instead of just "guessing" where your vote is because your other head says so. And ask people. I'm not asking for explanations. I'm asking for people to play the goddamn game. Like what do you think of the people in your hood? What about those outside of it? Give me a general feel for how you think. And why do you think there is a Wulden scum team? They could be a cult or as I hypothesized before maybe there are scum teams that are not based on race.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 4902, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I don't like this game ; I hate the way win conditions are writtenIn post 4896, Stormblade wrote:My townread on ASOIAF has dwindled a bit... they seem to be a bit brash about the way they play this game and it's not towny. and I'm starting to get paranoid that I just don't know how to read Frozen Angel, I know she apparently rarely gets lynched even as scum so I was probably naive to townread them so quickly.
and I think you are scum regardless. I don't care about luna's read on you. I know its going be really hard to achieve a lynch on you but I don't like your slot to live spescially becuase of the other heads in your hydra
now excuse me I litterally don't care how much barsh I'm looking like or how much your trying to make eeryone paranoid of me with these shady reads . your slot is 90% scum from my pov and I want it dead.
~Ice
Meeeeh. Right now my head is just an ickle extra here to parse information for you good people and also not-so-good people. Albert can do the pushy thing, I don't really care for it atm.In post 4903, MathBlade wrote:@nadhia: Too pissed will address in the morning. Main thought is push people. Ask questions...Something other than information. The same thing I have to everyone else.
Eh, this is multiball. I agree with a decent amount you have to say atm. But I think that while youIn post 4915, Expedience wrote:Because agreeing / disagreeing with someone is alignment indicative.In post 4896, Stormblade wrote:Since you voted Expedience; I kinda like that vote. He cheered me up today because he was actually talking sense and seems to fucking understand what's going on, but if anything that suggests he may be an informed minority. I mean, that's not definite, he could also just be a good critical thinker, but my main point is that I don't think him being rational here and having a good grasp for the situation is towny at all. My scumread on him from early remains.
Mathblade, you haven't been reading my posts if you don't think that every one of my votes have been exquisitely justified.
lmao kIn post 4918, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:scum shrugs ^^^^In post 4917, Stormblade wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯
~Ice
I care so little about your read on me. I don't even care if I'm lynched, I've made that clear. Frozen, I do like you as a person, but you'reIn post 4926, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:no the way she is not trying to engage with me after I shared my concerns about her slot over and over and instead is just making a shady response "I'm not so sure about ASOIAF being town anymore" shit is scummyIn post 4921, Expedience wrote:It does look pretty scummy, I feel like the smile curves upwards too far in a way that suggests scum knowledge?In post 4918, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:scum shrugs ^^^^In post 4917, Stormblade wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯
~Ice
shrugging it of is scummy
~Ice
I'm referring to Day 1 on that game, not Day 2...In post 4954, Salt Squad wrote:You do realize I gave up in Zelda mafia and stopped posting all together right?In post 4953, Stormblade wrote:Eh. I'm not so sure about Salt. Thinking about it more, this feels like Legend of Zelda beeboy when he was begging for 1 more day to confirm he's town so he could just rolecop someone as scum. He might just be cult wanting to recruit one more person.
-Nahdia
I'm in the same boat but there's a decent possibility he's cult, and I think leaving him alive is kind of a HUGE risk.In post 4958, rb wrote:@Stormblade that's a fair point. He'd want to do this whether scum or town because it helps his faction's survival. But I overall am reading Salt Squad as Town and I think there's better lynches.
As I recall, you got wagoned on Day 1. Claimed you had a alignment cop and begged to be let live one night so you could use it. Then claimed you didn't use it and got lynched. I'm pretty sure of this but maybe I'm misremembering? Either way, you still made the same play you're making here what with using your night action to buy yourself a day.
Err, huh? Aren't you defending LLD..?In post 4963, rb wrote:I'm pretty sure that Dram's WinCon wins with cult though, unless I'm mistaken.
Beeeecause they're a threat to the New Humanity Treaty? I mean, you'll just have to take my word on this one. Hell, I'M not 100% I can't win with cult. I just... really kind of doubt it?In post 4969, rb wrote:I'm trying to figure out why your apparent WinCon which is the same as Dram's is trying to kill cultists. Like I might be totally wrong but it seems to me that your supposed WinCon doesn't actually care if the cult exists or not.In post 4967, Stormblade wrote:Err, huh? Aren't you defending LLD..?In post 4963, rb wrote:I'm pretty sure that Dram's WinCon wins with cult though, unless I'm mistaken.
-Nahdia
Yeah. I miss himIn post 4973, Expedience wrote:Dramonic was part of your PT, right Stormblade?
You were being kind of really bossy...Klingoncelt wrote:Liar.In post 4743, Luna Fox wrote:Thing is she tried to take control of stuff in the hood and is making me super suspect of her.
I tried to get everyone to work together.
I tried to get everyone to work as a team.
Thanks for being a maverick.
We have confirmation from mastin that everyone in the hood is either the race Undead or Wulden, and that there are definitely no Humans, Vampires, Lycans, Nosferatu, or others.In post 5074, rb wrote:Can I get confirmation of that Mastin?
If that's the case then the point does make sense I guess. Meh. I still don't think the hood is scum-free but it's fair that would indicate that Wulden = more likely to be scummers if I were in the hood and privy to that info.
Same. I'm trying to make the case to Albert.In post 5079, rb wrote:I know I still prefer an SS lynch over LLD, all things considered. All the things SS says make me want them to be town but I feel like this game is just never gonna move on until they flip.
It's OK, the biggest issue is that my neighborhood has become a toxic cesspool.In post 5080, rb wrote:Thanks.In post 5078, Stormblade wrote:We have confirmation from mastin that everyone in the hood is either the race Undead or Wulden, and that there are definitely no Humans, Vampires, Lycans, Nosferatu, or others.In post 5074, rb wrote:Can I get confirmation of that Mastin?
If that's the case then the point does make sense I guess. Meh. I still don't think the hood is scum-free but it's fair that would indicate that Wulden = more likely to be scummers if I were in the hood and privy to that info.
Also jeeze this game has turned into a shining beacon of negativity. I was excited when I saw my neighborhood at first too because it's all players I know and like :\
-Nahdia
Sorry if I'm part of the negativity, copper accusing me of the most ridiculous things ever and then evading and dodging ever giving some kind of example is irritating to say the least. I like to think I give people a fair chance to demonstrate their point because I never shy away from a case on me. I tend to think that if someone's trying to pin either me or someone else I townread as being scum, they better have decent reasons and a total lack of both transparency and reasoning is to me, indicative of scum and if not scum, it just seems so absurdly anti-town imo to not even TRY and be somewhat transparent when asked.
I will. mastin has confirmed Kuroi's wincon as town, btw.In post 5170, Toogeloo wrote:Would they all flip with "REDACTED-FACTIONAL" as well?
Refers to the part where town win conditions are "eliminate threats" and scum win conditions are "control 50%".
Because presumably if we're all dead, the New Humanity Treaty won't benefit us anymore...?In post 5174, Toogeloo wrote:So, why would dram's wincon contain the caveat that at least one of that faction needs to survive to win?
Not everyone with the New Humanity Treaty wincon is in our PT.In post 5177, Toogeloo wrote:Is that your PT? It's an argument that New Treaty faction is weaker than actual town if it's a town faction, which makes zero sense.In post 5175, Stormblade wrote:Because presumably if we're all dead, the New Humanity Treaty won't benefit us anymore...?In post 5174, Toogeloo wrote:So, why would dram's wincon contain the caveat that at least one of that faction needs to survive to win?
-Nahdia
That would be their recruit.In post 5178, Toogeloo wrote:But he still has REDACTED FACTIONAL info in his PM.In post 5176, Stormblade wrote:Like, yes. We're partially a survivor faction. If anything, the fact that Kuroi's wincon does NOT contain the caveat that one of them needs to live proves they don't have PT, by the way.
I almost said "If we have any docs/watchers please be on Luna" but I guess I figured it'd be obvious and forgot -_-'In post 5182, RAM wrote:@KC: You had a faction cop who claimed in an unsecure PT, who was widely townread by the game at large. Why did you watch ASOIAF instead of her?
-Cerb
Look, both Nahdia and I, and others in the PT, we're all pretty sure that copper is acting hella suspicious in our PT. If there's someone with a different wincon than us, it's definitely copper. I'm not sure if he can with with us or not, though. Maybe we don't have to die for him to win, or it's something we haven't thought of. Regarding LLD, I'm fairly certain no Wulden is part of the New Humanity Treaty, she's a Wulden, come on. Everything she says sounds highly suspicious. Nahdia will make a determination and I will support her. I mean, we both still think Salt Squad is shifty as fuck. There's that too.In post 4878, MathBlade wrote:PEDIT: Nadha -- Or you could think for yourself instead of just "guessing" where your vote is because your other head says so. And ask people. I'm not asking for explanations. I'm asking for people to play the goddamn game. Like what do you think of the people in your hood? What about those outside of it? Give me a general feel for how you think. And why do you think there is a Wulden scum team? They could be a cult or as I hypothesized before maybe there are scum teams that are not based on race.
Ok, thanks. For transparency's sake; I checked your nation last night and that's what I got. Wanted you to claim it so I could possibly see if there was a Driver causing confusion here or something, but looks like that's unlikely to be the case.
Wait, what? Still 19 days to deadline? What kind of fucked up game is this?In post 5225, mastin2 wrote:Day 1's deadline is Wednesday, August 10th, @ 9:00 PM PST: 19 days, 1 hour, 34 minutes.
I guess... I just really think Kling especially will flip town, and I don't want to lynch either of them since there are alternatives that don't have a chance of flipping someone whom I need to live to achieve my wincon. I wish Luna understood this... I've tried to mediate and calm stuff down in the hood the entire time but right now I'm just so frustration with how dysfunctional we are ._.In post 5329, rb wrote:I find it hard to believe that one of Copper/Klingon isn't scum.In post 5326, Stormblade wrote:There's no confirmation one of our PT is scum. Just Luna being paranoid. I still feel Klingon is town.
-Nahdia
Someone outside my hood, preferably?! I know that argument is unique to myself and doesn't hold weight to you just... eugh. At least sympathize.In post 5331, rb wrote:Who do you want to lynch today?In post 5330, Stormblade wrote:I guess... I just really think Kling especially will flip town, and I don't want to lynch either of them since there are alternatives that don't have a chance of flipping someone whom I need to live to achieve my wincon. I wish Luna understood this... I've tried to mediate and calm stuff down in the hood the entire time but right now I'm just so frustration with how dysfunctional we are ._.In post 5329, rb wrote:I find it hard to believe that one of Copper/Klingon isn't scum.In post 5326, Stormblade wrote:There's no confirmation one of our PT is scum. Just Luna being paranoid. I still feel Klingon is town.
-Nahdia
-Nahdia
This. Does anyone else feel me that this is so fucking contrived and bad and scummy??? In all honestly I would hugely support a RAM lynch today.In post 5186, RAM wrote:Good answer, consistent with previous behaviors. Cool.In post 5186, Expedience wrote:Null, maybe slightly bothered because you're scum.
-Cerb
Promise?In post 5336, MathBlade wrote:@Stormblade -- Talk to me about the promise. Does it exist? If yes why did this happen?
No, it's not there. Luna can say more on this.In post 5345, MathBlade wrote:Maybe not the word but the concept. If the concept is not there Luna is free to vote where she likes and no one can scream "wincon" and thus makes the game more enjoyable and enables reads. If there is such a promise it creates a unique dynamic I want to explore.In post 5342, Stormblade wrote:You mean Luna promising not to vote PT members? I don't recall or see (skimming a bit now) any word for word "promise" from Luna to not vote PT members. What I do know is every time she does she gets screamed at, called "cancer", and accused of gamethrowing. I can't imagine she wants to repeat the experience over and over, though I suspect once Klingon reads this she's gonna get a pretty similar treatment...
-Nahdia
I'm not yelling at you nor would I want to make this game unenjoyable for you, but I hope I've impressed upon you somewhat why voting in our hood is a bad idea for now and we shouldn't be seriously pushing lynches on anyone in there for awhile yet. I'm really sorry this game has stressed you out so much, I'm sorry our hood got to be such an ugly place. You don't deserve this ._.In post 5349, Luna Fox wrote:I dont think getting yelled at everytime i dare scumread or vote anyone from the PT is an enjoyable experience, do you?In post 5345, MathBlade wrote:If the concept is not there Luna is free to vote where she likes and no one can scream "wincon" and thus makes the game more enjoyable and enables reads.
Because if she's wrong, she kills someone who she needs to keep alive for her winconrb wrote:Luna why don't you just vote the person you think is scum and fuk da hood?
No,Salt Squad wrote:You do realize people outside your hood have claimed that wincon right.In post 5354, Stormblade wrote:Because if she's wrong, she kills someone who she needs to keep alive for her wincon
Like you are horrible misunderstanding the situation.
Faction. Faction. Faction. We need the UNDEAD RISEN SLAVE FACTION TO SURVIVE.In post 5359, Luna Fox wrote:And how do i know they arent fake claims, im currently trusting them but, there's a higher chance of lynching someone with my wincon if i lynch in the hood than if i lynch outside.In post 5357, Salt Squad wrote:You do realize people outside your hood have claimed that wincon right.In post 5354, Stormblade wrote:Because if she's wrong, she kills someone who she needs to keep alive for her wincon
Like you are horrible misunderstanding the situation.
I'm not dragging her through the mud. I'm trying to reason with her and she's being despondent in the hood for which I really don't blame her so I'm trying to talk to her here. And I said I would make a RAM case. There are other lynches as well I could support. I just really don't want to play this suboptimally based on a read I don't share and I want to make it clear to her that lynching this scumread is a bad move for her too because of the major risk involved.In post 5363, rb wrote:Anyway fuck, my point is that Luna should just do whatever she thinks has the best chance of hitting scum, and if you're townreading Luna then you shouldn't drag her through the mud just because her read doesn't necessarily agree with yours. If you're town and you think another townie is doing a bad vote/lynch, explain who you think is a better target and why.
THANK YOU.Expedience wrote:What would happen is they mislynch one neighbour, then that concentrates the chance of scum in the remaining players, then they just get purged until the scum is found (if there is any), and those remaining get nightkilled for being pseudo-confirmed town. Remember, part of the risen slave wincon is to survive.
If you understand this why are you campaigning for the Kling vote?!!?!?!??!!???!!??!??!?!?!?!Luna Fox wrote:THANK YOUIn post 5364, Expedience wrote:What would happen is they mislynch one neighbour, then that concentrates the chance of scum in the remaining players, then they just get purged until the scum is found (if there is any), and those remaining get nightkilled for being pseudo-confirmed town. Remember, part of the risen slave wincon is to survive.
Someone that understands.
You've been bad at keeping info to yourself, very very bad.In post 5349, Luna Fox wrote:I dont think getting yelled at everytime i dare scumread or vote anyone from the PT is an enjoyable experience, do you?In post 5345, MathBlade wrote:If the concept is not there Luna is free to vote where she likes and no one can scream "wincon" and thus makes the game more enjoyable and enables reads.
While we agree on most issuesIn post 5376, Luna Fox wrote:Nahdia already mentioned it tho, what?In post 5373, Stormblade wrote:You've been bad at keeping info to yourself, very very bad.In post 5349, Luna Fox wrote:I dont think getting yelled at everytime i dare scumread or vote anyone from the PT is an enjoyable experience, do you?In post 5345, MathBlade wrote:If the concept is not there Luna is free to vote where she likes and no one can scream "wincon" and thus makes the game more enjoyable and enables reads.
ABR
No you really did. You really really did. You made some awful revelations.In post 5379, Luna Fox wrote:...
In post 5381, Salt Squad wrote:I take this as a yes and I now have the completed list of your hood mates.In post 5377, Stormblade wrote:Bruh he don't need to answer that!In post 5368, Salt Squad wrote:A50 are you in Luna's hood?
ABR
We will feed you hemp rope first though.In post 5382, Salt Squad wrote:Although once Klingon flips scum I will not need to out that info.
Yeah, I did. Just spoke to mastin about it; I had this wrong (sorry Salt Squad, I owe you an apology on that one). Ceph, can you confirm your wincon is worded EXACTLY like the one in dram's flip? Including the part about needing someone alive? No differences whatsoever?In post 5420, Luna Fox wrote:Nah she misinterpreted the win condition.In post 5419, Cephrir wrote:I'm not a hundred percent sure you're right... do we have confirmation here? Because like I don't know how big my faction is but if you're correct and it's just me or me+1 then I might as well quit now.
