Gistou (Over!)

[Luna Fox]

I dont think individual vampire is a scum faction.
I think the scan was correct however, and you're using an individual vampire fake claim.

[Luna Fox]

I dont think individual vampire is a scum faction.
I think the scan was correct however, and you're using an individual vampire fake claim.

I literally can doing nothing about this and I am town and this feels terrible.

Don't worry no one likes it when cops get guilties on them and... you kinda need to argue in favor of your win condition and you can't just give up.
I understand the position it puts you in.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: SS

Vote not moving.
Tho if you do flip what you said, i have a feeling of what might have happened in our hood.

[Luna Fox]

Did the same person check Faction, Nation, Location on SS, or two different people checked, one using Faction and the other using Nation/Location? Canonical redirect mechanisms would redirect everyone who targeted a given player, so you're asking the probability that the redirect target would match nation/location but not faction?

The Faction/Nation was a free action, it was used on someone who had already claimed something in the hood by the same person that performed the Faction scan.
Neither the targets nor the actions were outed until Day 2 start.

[Luna Fox]

What if Isolationist is something like a counter cult, and makes ppl individual?
That's like the only theory i can come up from the name of the faction.

[Luna Fox]

I get you guys have no reason to assume redirection even though I have been obvious town all game but you guys are shooting yourselves in the foot by lynching me now rather then later.

>All game
>Might have been culled by a faction that doesnt have culling restrictions.

Tho that Isolationist thing i dont even know what it is.
But considering no one ever answered that i assume it means scum.

[Luna Fox]

Hi Suzune!

[Luna Fox]

What i think is he already got culled into this Isowhatever faction and they want more members.
And he's just using his original role as a fake claim.
But ok if you guys want to believe it more than the Faction Cop then go ahead, meanwhile my vote wont move.

[Luna Fox]

it does sound more like a reverse cult?

[Luna Fox]

I dunno, all i know is the result i got.

[Luna Fox]

I dunno, all i know is the result i got.

I AM SORRY THAT YOU GOT A HORRIBLY WRONG RESULT NOW STOP PUSHING ME AND GIVE ME ONE DAY TO CONFIRM MYSELF AS TOWN.

Inb4 culled
Inb4 roleblocked
Inb4 redirected

Like seriously, what.

[Luna Fox]

Yes LLD, the wording literally makes it explicit that the Wulden (if any) in our hood is a bad guy.
Whether you're part of that Wulden faction or not is another matter entirely and you claiming the exact same win con as us when your race appears to be our enemy is entirely suspicious.

[Luna Fox]

Ice
We faction cop'd them and got Isolationist.
That's all.

[Luna Fox]

Unvote

If the redirect happened, it means we are for certain there's a Wulden spy in the hood.

[Luna Fox]

I give up on trying to post... and im a very active poster...

[Luna Fox]

Like can we calm down for a minute and THINK THIS THROUGH with the information WE HAVE instead of yelling at each other?

[Luna Fox]

First of all, every non-human race can recruit, that's not only yours, you're not the only one with this ability, stop thinking that you're the only one that can "convert someone into conf town".
Second of all, if 2 people try to cull the same person it fails.
Third of all, Not all humans can be culled.

[Luna Fox]

Sigh, if you guys are just gonna continue yelling at each other instead of trying to figure things out together im just gonna take a break from this game.
This game's a puzzle, and we need to solve it, but if you keep thinking that everything = scum then that wont help.

[Luna Fox]

Do you deny you are an "Other" nation or that you have a 2 Shot BP?

Are you calling me a liar?

Wait! You're talking about Luna here?? I mistook it for an investigation on Salt!

Actually that was a scan on Storm.

[Luna Fox]

your faction has a redacted part in role pm

This is true.

[Luna Fox]

HOWEVER, dram's flip also had a redacted part in their role PM, did you read his wincon? do you think he was scum?

[Luna Fox]

But hey, since there's a public win condition we can ask the mod right? in the same manner you did?

@Mod: Was Kuroi's win condition a Town win condition?

Simple

[Luna Fox]

I asked that during the night

she resisted to tell me that

and about dram , its simply unknown , she may be town or scum. I believe I'm leaning scum cause that makes sense

~Ice

I dont think this game's as simple as Town/Scum as you think it is.

[Luna Fox]

@mod would Kuroi have been given a fake claim with his role pm?
If a faction was able to receive a fake claim would this be known in there flip?

This was already answered tho.
If they have the mod ability to get a role PM, it will flip with them if it's individual, but if it's factional it'd be part of the redacted.

[Luna Fox]

This was already answered tho.
If they have the mod ability to get a role PM, it will flip with them if it's individual, but if it's factional it'd be part of the redacted.

If we know Kuroi had no fake claims that makes him in the win with town camp as his claim is safe to claim and then why would Frozen still be pushing me.

As i said.
We dont know coz there was a redacted factional part and if he had the ability it could be there.
And if the ability is there it means you'd have that same ability too.

So in the end we confirm nothing.

[Luna Fox]

I am thinking that my faction is town.

there are alies like titus outside of my faction

there are 3p factions who maybe just wanna live

the rest are multiple scum factions

if you know more tell me about it

~Ice

My win condition both require me and my faction members to survive and to help the humanity treaty.
Which is similar to what flipped with dram's
Which you are reading as scum.
So i'm telling you, that you're wrong.

[Luna Fox]

Kuroi was very likly scum and beeboy is scum with him though

Nope:

Loosely speaking, there is at least one town faction.

They win if all threats to them are eliminated.

Loosely speaking, at least one faction is definitely a scum/mafia faction.

They win if they control 50% of the living.

Now what was Kuroi's win con again? Oh right the top one.

[Luna Fox]

Told you this game wasnt as easy as you thought ^_^

[Luna Fox]

Not to mention the important part

AT LEAST ONE TOWN FACTION

.
Meaning possibly more than one, as what we've seen so far.

[Luna Fox]

still I want an explanation for how that recruit function works with details.

how an individual faction - if meaning uninformed - can have a factinal ability ?

Because all non-human factions do.
It's in the mechanics.
Not scum.

Except for the faction that's specifically out there as a Cult who may or may not have a more powerful culling ability.

[Luna Fox]

@Nahdia

I didn't ask you

I want to know all the restrictions they have cuase currently a factional recruit function like that make no sense as a town faction

~Ice

The restrictions is possibly the ones stated in the mechanics post?
As i've mentioned them before:

- Can only target Humans
- Not all humans are vulnerable
- Fails if another player tried to cull the same target
v

Each faction, if possessing a non-human race, has a one-shot ability to recruit a human to their faction. Emphasis "human". This ability will fail if more than one faction attempts this on the same target. This ability does not work on all humans. Regardless of success or failure, this ability is used up once activated. (The recruiter will be informed if they fail, but not the reason why.) In short, only the unluckiest of humans will get culled. It can happen, though, so be cautious!

[Luna Fox]

And i just realized that Exp just said the same thing anyway ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

Apparently people here still dont get the picture of how this game works.

[Luna Fox]

Which is it? Was there possibly a redirect, or is it CERTAIN beyond any doubt that this individual received SS' faction information?

No i was lying about strong willed to test for reactions but he saw through it, just wanted to eliminate the possibility of redirection.

Vote: LLD

[Luna Fox]

@luna do you have any clue what a new human treaty is?

That's the problem.
I have no idea.
I just assume it's to protect humans and defeat people who are against it.
I have asked mastin, but i got nothing.

[Luna Fox]

Why do I feel like there's a human scum faction though? Why tell me whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Because it is possible?
We have been talking as if Race = Win con.
When it's Faction that = Win con.

[Luna Fox]

Also dont forget, whoever's scum also has fake claims, sooo.

[Luna Fox]

Also dont forget, whoever's scum also has fake claims, sooo.

I'm not trying to say if lld is scum you are as well or anything like it

I'm just trying understand this weird win condition

~Ice

Well if you come up with something that'd be good.
Because neither of us in the hood has any idea.
I've just been playing as i've assumed it, i think it's a town win condition due to necessarily need to defeat all threats to this humanity treaty, and i assumed that the members of this humanity treaty = the town.
But probably members of it dont know they are members of it?
I dont even know.

Tho at least i find it fun trying to figure this out.

[Luna Fox]

I mean doesnt treaty sound like a peace treaty or something, that's more or less how i've assumed it so far.

[Luna Fox]

If anything, assume a human is scum, and they arent immune to cull, at that point an individual or town aligned race can cull them and convert them to town.
I'd think this is a more townie action, no?

[Luna Fox]

It is also entirely possible that the humans that are immune to culling are scum, idk.
I think more speculation on that fact is moot right now tho, we'd need more flips.

[Luna Fox]

Whether it's shared survivor masonry kinda thing, we don't have fake claims, I'd assume if we had we'd been given something like all the "Individuals" we've seen.

[Luna Fox]

That makes a lot of sense to me from a game design standpoint

Yeah... which doesnt help me in the slightest, dam me and my not reading >.<

I think i should just operate as a VT instead of potentially giving more info to scum, and instead claim that im said Faction Cop.

If the redirect happened, it guarantees there's scum in the hood considering i had already claimed this in there early thinking by mistake it was a Masonry.

If the redirect didnt happen SS is scum lying and i just made myself an even bigger target ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

Ok
Ceph...
Tell me this.
Faction = Win con.
You follow?
There's someone, that is not our faction, but is claiming the same win con as us.
Do you think they are telling the truth?

[Luna Fox]

If it's true.
Then it makes me happy, because then it means we got more allies outside of our faction.
And LLD would be one.
And so would you.

[Luna Fox]

Apparently on D1 my win con i claimed was towny.
Now on D2 people believe the win con i claimed is scummy.

Something doesnt add up here indeed, and it's not me, it's you.

Did you happen to get culled overnight?

[Luna Fox]

the pervious post was @rb

[Luna Fox]

Oh yeah all my instances of "culled" mean "culted" i just thought that's what how people typed it since it's easier to type 2 Ls in a row.

[Luna Fox]

, only the unluckiest of humans will get culled.

And because of this.
Inb4 i've been following a typo, which would make me laugh so hard.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: SS

[Luna Fox]

he claimed individual what are you talking about?

He's following my faction cop scan.

[Luna Fox]

Luna literally claimed cop to the scum and has the most unreliable guilty on me ever fucking seen.
WHAT
THE
FUCK
ARE
YOU
GUYS
DOING

I mean.
Either no one messed up with my investigation, which means you're lying about your Faction either by virtue of Fake Claim or culting (which you mentioned doubts on the 2nd one).
Or someone messed up with my investigation and there's guaranteed at least one scum in my hood because i claimed Faction Cop there.

[Luna Fox]

Apparently on D1 my win con i claimed was towny.
Now on D2 people believe the win con i claimed is scummy.

Something doesnt add up here indeed, and it's not me, it's you.

Did you happen to get culled overnight?

Because I had no idea about the wording of your WinCon.

The way it's worded isn't the same as Titus/BBMolla at all. Which are the two factions I'm going to say I'm 100% sure are Town. Your WinCon and the [REDACTED] part mean that I have no reason to think that your interest = my interests. You might not be cult or scum necessarily, but you're not the Town I thought was Town. There's nothing that doesn't add up, it legit just looks like you and your buddies in your PT fucked up because you thought you were Town when you actually weren't.

I did mention humanity treaty, humanity thing.
Multiple times.
What are you even reading if you didnt notice that.

[Luna Fox]

what was the exact wording of your result luna?

Isolated faction ?!

Isolationist faction.

[Luna Fox]

If my results got messed up with then there's guaranteed scum in our hood, which is great info to have.
If they didnt then SS is scum lying, which means this lynch is correct.

[Luna Fox]

If my results got messed up with then there's guaranteed scum in our hood, which is great info to have.
If they didnt then SS is scum lying, which means this lynch is correct.

Stop being bad when you can wait a day to confirm me.

Thing is...
Your recruit is very likely to fail, specially announcing it like that, plus you need to hit a recruitable human and more likely if you fail you'll be lynched tomorrow anyway.
That is even if you're telling the truth and you dont need that night to do [Insert scummy things here]

[Luna Fox]

- 2 faction cops check 2 independent people
- both faction cops return highly suspicious races (nosferatu/wulden)
- both players then claim Individual town-aligned

Uh i think you're confusing race and faction.

[Luna Fox]

Your play became really bad as soon as you submitted a cop on me and you staying consistent with that. Like what could I possibly do in 1 night as scum hat outweighs allowing me to confirm myself as town.

How am i supposed to knwo what the Isolationist faction is even capable of doing.

[Luna Fox]

Besides as i said, we mass claimed Nation/Location in our hood, my Free action scan went to one of them and i got what they claimed.
How likely do you think it is i got redirected to an Isolationist with the same Nation/Location as that person.

[Luna Fox]

Besides as i said, we mass claimed Nation/Location in our hood, my Free action scan went to one of them and i got what they claimed.
How likely do you think it is i got redirected to an Isolationist with the same Nation/Location as that person.

I already claimed all that info and you didn't have a problem with it. Like come on.

If you did i missed it, can you quote it?

[Luna Fox]

Besides as i said, we mass claimed Nation/Location in our hood, my Free action scan went to one of them and i got what they claimed.
How likely do you think it is i got redirected to an Isolationist with the same Nation/Location as that person.

I already claimed all that info and you didn't have a problem with it. Like come on.

If you did i missed it, can you quote it?

Wait you're twisting things again.
Im not claiming to have Nation/Location scanned YOU!
Im claiming to have Nation/Location scanned someone who had already claimed them beforehand in our hood.

I used DIFFERENT TARGETS FOR BOTH
If i got redirected both of my actions get redirected to the same person, so i find it unlikely, but possible, but if it happened then that's also good information to have.

[Luna Fox]

So it sinks in to people

I targeted Salt Squad with a Faction Scan and got Isolationist
Someone in the hood had claimed Nation: A, Location: B, Race: C
I used my free action on that someone and got A, B, or C or all 3

What are the chances i got redirected again?

[Luna Fox]

BTW I don't get the point of starting off

assuming

a redirection is possible. Do we have some kind of evidence that one even exists?

mastin's announcement.
Points heavily to possibility of redirection, tho it may be possible it doesnt exist, i agree.

[Luna Fox]

It's obvious that scum are going to BS any guilty result on them pls.

[Luna Fox]

No I am serious Luna claimed cop in her neighborhood to scum.
That means that scum knew who she wanted to confirm so they could redirect her to someone who has the same information as the person she was checking.

No, everyone in the hood didnt know who i was targeting, i did receive some target suggestions but i didnt specify whether i was following them or not (i wasn't)

[Luna Fox]

It's obvious that scum are going to BS any guilty result on them pls.

But I am town and there is no bs here.

And you wouldnt say this as scum with a guilty on them because ______?

[Luna Fox]

It's obvious that scum are going to BS any guilty result on them pls.

But I am town and there is no bs here.

And you wouldnt say this as scum with a guilty on them because ______?

Because as scum I would have given up by now.

I already mentioned that my other result doesnt seem to be tampered with, considering not everyone in my hood shares the exact same N/L
If it happened then we got unlucky, but then again, that also confirms scum in my hood.

[Luna Fox]

The only thing we have on Salt Squad being scum is a result that we know could have been tampered with. That's not just Salt's claim either, it's in Mastin's notes too.

How lilkely do you think this could happen?:

So it sinks in to people

I targeted Salt Squad with a Faction Scan and got Isolationist
Someone in the hood had claimed Nation: A, Location: B, Race: C
I used my free action on that someone and got A, B, or C or all 3

What are the chances i got redirected again?

Mr. Percentages guy?

[Luna Fox]

The only thing we have on Salt Squad being scum is a result that we know could have been tampered with. That's not just Salt's claim either, it's in Mastin's notes too.

How lilkely do you think this could happen?:

So it sinks in to people

I targeted Salt Squad with a Faction Scan and got Isolationist
Someone in the hood had claimed Nation: A, Location: B, Race: C
I used my free action on that someone and got A, B, or C or all 3

What are the chances i got redirected again?

Mr. Percentages guy?

Once you claim cop to scum those percentages get incredibly skewed ^__^

^
Proved not reading

[Luna Fox]

All i'm asking you is.
If i got redirected, what are the chances i got redirected to someone with the same N/L/R as someone in my hood (well pretty much everyone claimed same R, but N/L difered), but that happens to be in this Isolationist faction.

[Luna Fox]

One of the results was correct with what was claimed in my neighborhood.
If i got redirected both of my targets would be redirected.
I got a result that matches up claims in my Neighborhood.

It's not rocket science really.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Storm

I want this actually.

Storm's town.
Her passive doesnt make sense for someone in our hood AND scum.
Try again.

[Luna Fox]

One of the results was correct with what was claimed in my neighborhood.

If i got redirected both of my targets would be redirected.

I got a result that matches up claims in my Neighborhood.

It's not rocket science really.

Blue: we know this to be true because?

Because that's how redirection works.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Storm

I want this actually.

Storm's town.
Her passive doesnt make sense for someone in our hood AND scum.
Try again.

You are also telling me I am scum so I don't know how reliable anything you say is right now ^__^

Except i have a Faction Cop scan on you that you're denying, while Storm never denied that wasn't their role.

[Luna Fox]

I did say it is not a guarantee it contains scum. But i was assuming there was 1.
I talked about this when i first claimed about the hood.

[Luna Fox]

I did say it is not a guarantee it contains scum. But i was assuming there was 1.
I talked about this when i first claimed about the hood.

Why isn't StormBlade scum again?

As I said.
There role doesnt make sense for someone that's a spy in our hood.

[Luna Fox]

The only way Storm's scum is if LLD is scum with them and that isnt actually their role.

[Luna Fox]

rb confirmed enemy of the humanity treaty.

[Luna Fox]

Sigh when I flip town Luna can you trust me that RB is likely town here?

What do you want me to expect?
He's attacking my whole faction even tho he's suspected us of being survivor+mason combo.
He's even attacking LLD who's suspected of having a wincon similar to mine.

All his actions are against my win con and so i must purge this from the land

Vote: rb

I'll give you a day if you help me lynch this guy.

[Luna Fox]

Oh also this Neighbourhood shit is just getting unbearable and if you guys are right we'll kill a scum if we just keep lynching the Neighbourhood anyway.

What part of

I NEED AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF MY FACTION ALIVE TO WIN

do you not understand.

[Luna Fox]

Like you want to lynch all of us until you hit scum. And then what, let an opposing faction NK the remnants? i find this BS.

[Luna Fox]

Like you want to lynch all of us until you hit scum. And then what, let an opposing faction NK the remnants? i find this BS.

Because the treaty has no bearing or mention in my flavour nor in my WinCon. I could care less if the scum kill you off after we lynch the scum in your hood.

Obviously playing against our win con.
I could also care less what kind of fake claim you have.

[Luna Fox]

i interpret as "humanity makes a new agreement to get along with each other and stop being assholes"

Actually now that you mention it, my flavor does say i long for coexistence.

[Luna Fox]

Why does town stormblade reveal 2-shot BP that fast?

I legitimately wanna know because I want to hit the scum, not the weird neutral things.

she didnt
LLD outed it as a role cop scan.
Are you reading.

[Luna Fox]

The old treaty i assume doesnt want all races to be together.
The new treaty wants them to.
Some ppl are pro-old treaty and are our enemies.
Some ppl are just scum and are also our enemies.
Everyone else is our ally.

[Luna Fox]

what is the old treaty? and where this just came from suddenly

From what Ceph said, which made me remember some flavor from my role PM.

[Luna Fox]

UNVOTE: Stormblade

Just HOW sure are you that there's a scum in your hood?

Also, it sounds more and more like it's just a shared-survivor faction

Because the OP says that there MIGHT be scum in there.
If there's no scum in our faction.

it means that SS's lying and no one messed with my results.

[Luna Fox]

Also no one messing with my results doesnt mean we're clear of scum (they might have chosen not to mess up with me).
But being messed up with pretty much means there is at least 1.
So if lynching SS yields town we know there's for certain a spy there. And if we lynch scum we dont, but we lynched scum.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: SS

Going back here as i no longer think rb might be against us.
If there is a person in my hood i'd suspect to be scum, it would be copper right now, but im literally unsure, everyone's been pretty townie in there, which is another reason im willing to trust my current result.

[Luna Fox]

Also no one messing with my results doesnt mean we're clear of scum (they might have chosen not to mess up with me).
But being messed up with pretty much means there is at least 1.
So if lynching SS yields town we know there's for certain a spy there. And if we lynch scum we dont, but we lynched scum.

So the options are.

I flip town there is scum in your hood and you lynch StormBlade
I flip scum there is still probably scum in your hood and we lynch StormBlade anyway

Nice

If you want to help me figure out who's scum in our hood, give me your current reads, and ill make assesments based off them, considering there's unrevealed members off the hood.

[Luna Fox]

I think Luna claiming cop to Copper and StormBlade should prove that someone messed with her cop result.

Give me your scumreads and ill tell you how many members of my hood you're scumreading, then you figure out how likely is that any of those reads is actually correct.

[Luna Fox]

If you want to help me figure out who's scum in our hood, give me your current reads, and ill make assesments based off them, considering there's unrevealed members off the hood.

StormBlade
Copper
Wayward Thinkers
Twie
A50
Klignon

These 6 are all flipping scum.

You're pretty much scumreading everyone alive but me.

[Luna Fox]

You're pretty much scumreading everyone alive but me.

I am scum reading 6 people or am I just scum reading your entire hood but you?

From your reads, im not going to say who's in the hood.
However from your reads, you're literally reading everyone in my hood as scum but me, that's still alive that is.

[Luna Fox]

You're pretty much scumreading everyone alive but me.

I am scum reading 6 people or am I just scum reading your entire hood but you?

From your reads, im not going to say who's in the hood.
However from your reads, you're literally reading everyone in my hood as scum but me, that's still alive that is.

Ok so I probably need to reevaluate then lol.
Why are you telling me this if you think I am scum?

Because you're the only one that 100% knows if my result got messed up with and im only lynching you to confirm that fact.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna: who are you scumreading outside of your Night result?

I do have a scumread in my hood which i mentioned.
Outside of that i have no idea rn im townreading a lot of ppl.
I'm pretty much trying to figure out who's trying to lynch us based on our win condition, because they're more than likely either scum or at least... opposing our faction.

[Luna Fox]

Like Luna come on there has to be scum in your hood unless I have abysmal reads this game.

Well you're the only one who knows that for certain right now.
But i find it highly unlikely to see that everyone else in my hood but me is scum.
1 person at worst. None at best.

Even on Normalish setups, Neighborhoods dont contain more than 1 scum unless they're like gigantic.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna: who are you scumreading outside of your Night result?

I do have a scumread in my hood which i mentioned.
Outside of that i have no idea rn im townreading a lot of ppl.
I'm pretty much trying to figure out who's trying to lynch us based on our win condition, because they're more than likely either scum or at least... opposing our faction.

You should be less transparent about trying to lynch people that are opposed to you.

Why?
I'm always transparent about things (which is a problem when i have to deal with hidden information), that's just a personality trait of mine ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

Luna if you are lynching me for info doesn't that imply you are town reading me and therefore lynching me is bad.

For info?
No, because you have a high chance of being the faction i copped.
I'm prodding you for info in case im wrong about you.

[Luna Fox]

Unvote

Ok i believe you.

[Luna Fox]

Sorry for grilling you, it's kinda hard to make a decission with these things.
Almost everyone in my hood has the same N/L and there's a good chance of redirect, i just wanted to 100% eliminate the possibility from my mind.

[Luna Fox]

Luna: unless you think LLD/Cephrir are both scum you have to admit that your hood looks pretty scummy rn.

I know!
Heck even yesterday i thought i was the only town in it >_>

[Luna Fox]

Vote: Klingoncelt

[Luna Fox]

Then again we're assuming a lot about how many people would share your WinCon....would it be likely that there'd be this many with your WinCon?

If you're having this issue, imagine how im feeling.
Vague as heck win condition, in a hood that's making me paranoid, and i dont even know who i can trust outside of the ppl with my same win con.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: Klingoncelt

I could do this but why Klingon over StormBlade?

I already mentioned why i think Stormblade's town. Im still a little paranoid on the sise, but it is true what they said in the hood that their role doesnt make sense if they are the spy, and more sense if they are aligned with us as a way to keep someone with the same wincon alive and safe from night kills.

[Luna Fox]

*side

[Luna Fox]

Well im currently lynching inside my hood so.

[Luna Fox]

I mean sure, ppl can watch/protect me, and in that case im open again to scan in there instead of lynching, if that's the route we're going.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna how strong is your townread of Ceph/LLD compared to your Hood?

Very high on Ceph, very low on LLD.

[Luna Fox]

Im bad at dealing with Inside information, specially if i believe that the information will lead us to finding scum.

Sorry >.<

[Luna Fox]

and is regularly mislynched

If this is true, then my read might be botched by whatever causes this to happen.
Sigh...

[Luna Fox]

Unvote

[Luna Fox]

Thing is she tried to take control of stuff in the hood and is making me super suspect of her.

[Luna Fox]

I think i found it

Vote: copper

[Luna Fox]

besides maybe landmine Luna who is likely playing to her own tune regardless of wincon

The normal reaction would be to think im scum.
I think you more likely already know im not.

[Luna Fox]

I am not playing against my win con srsly.
I'm trying to find help in finding the scum in our hood, that much is apparent.

[Luna Fox]

If you guys werent making yourselves targets, or outing the fact that we had a hood to begin with like Nahdia did, nothing like this would have happened.
But apparently it's my fault now?

[Luna Fox]

I just got drunk and claimed I was in it.

And you also claimed i was in it.
But as you've seen i've been scared of you guys getting lynched and being town.
I HAD to do something.
Like i feel you guys are just being unfair to me.

[Luna Fox]

You claimed it first >_>
I'm not mad at you. I fucked up too. I'm just saying...

Well when you claimed "hi mason buddy" as your read on me, what did you want me to do?
Either way, what's done is done, i still believe everything i've done is in order to protect us because i've believed being wrong on who is scum can be fatal, yet im the one being accused here of trolling.

[Luna Fox]

You claimed to be in a factional hood before I said that

I only said to have slipped my role somewhere scum could've heard it.
I claimed the neighborhood as a response to your read on me.

[Luna Fox]

And this one came before it:

Luna Fox
hi mason buddy

Uhh
what?

[Luna Fox]

By the way, ill only use my ability again, if im watched (not protected, that might cause the watcher to have a false positive), because if i got redirected im feeding info to whoever redirected me instead of who we are interested in, and since no one claimed to have redirected me, im going to assume this redirector if existant, is scum aligned (Actually i may use it but not out results neither here nor in the hood). Not going to say for any watcher to out, but a general promise would be nice.

I just dont feel comfortable using my ability for whichever scum team did the deed.

[Luna Fox]

So i'll take that as a yes.

[Luna Fox]

Tho i already figured it out, but thanks mastin ^_^

[Luna Fox]

Uh my scan gives the exact faction name.
Just saying.

[Luna Fox]

How sure are you of that?

Because of the way my ability is worded in my role PM.

[Luna Fox]

So you're basically 100% convinced that Salt Squad should show as 'Individual Vampire' if you checked them, Titus would show as 'West Empire', BBMolla would show as, 'Individual Human' etc. and that there's no way there could be overlap where multiple factions show as one thing because they have compatible WinCons?

Yes

[Luna Fox]

Well to be more preciese they would show as "Individual Vampires Faction" if it's what they claimed they are and i wasn't redirected.

[Luna Fox]

Tho if you want exact wording what i got was that they were from the "Isolationist Faction".
I just didnt think including the word "Faction" on it was necessary and already assumed.

[Luna Fox]

The only thing i've been saying is that if there's scum in my hood it's most likely wulden, and it's likely they messed up with my results.
If there isn't then my results should be correct outside of some random player redirecting me for some reason (which is even less likely considering my free action got a correct check)

[Luna Fox]

Apart from WT I'm starting to just want to lynch all of the hood until we find the scum because I'm tired of this game revolving around this stupid hood. Fuck the hood.

Could you buddy your cult leader just a little bit harder there, pal?

Everyone might not have yet noticed how over-the-top your white knighting for Salt is.

Which is funny coz i mentioned earlier that they got culted since their non issue with my win con magically changed over being an issue, overnight.

[Luna Fox]

That being said, im no longer sure that is the case, but i found it funny that you came to the same conclusion but for different reasons.

[Luna Fox]

All I know is.
If Isolationist is scum then they most likely can get fake claims, that includes you.
You knowing of a recruit proves nothing due to the mechanics post.
If you're telling the truth, then there's scum in my hood.
If you're not telling the truth, then you're scum.

P-Edit: I outed my target and result after i already got the result, this was before SS claimed Vampire

[Luna Fox]

Some food for thought all of the flips we've seen so far have a faction named after a Location, Nation or Race (or a mix of those).
The Isolationist Faction doesnt.

What does this mean?

[Luna Fox]

Some food for thought all of the flips we've seen so far have a faction named after a Location, Nation or Race (or a mix of those).
The Isolationist Faction doesnt.

What does this mean?

Probably the name of the scum faction in your hood so scum.
Also idk who you are voting but vote Klingon pls.

I'm voting copper
I think he's the scum in our hood.

[Luna Fox]

I think everyone in here went crazy overnight...

[Luna Fox]

Actually, neighborhoods can have 0-100% Scum. It's usually random.

100% scum factions are the best :')

Yeah im pretty sure you have a lot of experience with those ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

But thanks for making me paranoid of everyone again, it's really appreciated (not really)

[Luna Fox]

There is no guarantee there is a wulden in our PT, on the other hand it is certain LLD is a Wulden, voting for one of us over LLD is insane.

There's also no guarantee that there are no wulden outside that are on our side.
We only know that if a spy exists it's wulden.

[Luna Fox]

But thanks for making me paranoid of everyone again, it's really appreciated (not really)

You deserve it for claiming a fake guilty on me so I am ok with that.

It's not a fake guilty
The result is legit, whether i was redirected or not is the current question.

[Luna Fox]

It's because he's scum obviously

[Luna Fox]

This is kinda off topic why did Dram die because of Luna?

I would like to know this as well tbh.

[Luna Fox]

Happy early birthday mastin!

<<< <3 >>>

[Luna Fox]

So you just confirmed i wasnt lying, thanks.

[Luna Fox]

Copper + Klingon neighourhood scumteam?

Maybe
I'd find it funny coz last time we were both in a neighborhood that neighborhood also had 2 scum in it.

[Luna Fox]

I mean.
At this point for me, everyone in my neighborhood might as well be scum. Except storm, she's nice.
I dismantled the wagons on copper and klingon and i get no thanks.
And considering They've been fighting very hard towards getting SS lynched, thanks to who?
At this point im more convinced that they just redirected me and are using it as an excuse for a mislynch.
Otherwise why would everything be my fault if i apparently found the cult leader?

[Luna Fox]

I can confirm there's only Undead or Wulden in the PT, but it's in a connotation that includes them as if they are the bad guys/infiltrators. We've all been thinking Wulden is possibly our enemy, I do disagree that necessarily ALL wulden are our enemies.

copper still scum, however.

P-Edit: nice find Ceph.

[Luna Fox]

Unvote

Changed my mind on copper after some hood discussion.

[Luna Fox]

I'd bet my left nut on Eastern Kingdom being the human-scum faction. Especially since we've had zero claims from there whatsoever.

Uhh we've had zero claims whatsoever from any nation faction that i remember, only an Individual human, unless you mean the ppl that claimed Nation? And even then Wake claimed Easter Kingdom Faction, this by default means that it's something safe to claim.

[Luna Fox]

Eastern not Easter, dam typos.

(Tho an Easter Kingdom would be funny)

[Luna Fox]

Yeah i misrememebred, ops, sorry >.<

[Luna Fox]

I can confirm there's only Undead or Wulden in the PT, but it's in a connotation that includes them as if they are the bad guys/infiltrators. We've all been thinking Wulden is possibly our enemy, I do disagree that necessarily ALL wulden are our enemies.

copper still scum, however.

P-Edit: nice find Ceph.

Have you considered the possibility that all of the PT are race=undead but one or more of them could be a different faction? I believe it goes something like "some you think are allies are actually enemies". And if there are any undead in a scum faction they would have fakeclaims, in particular it would follow that they must have the wincon available to fakeclaim.

It goes both ways, wulden doesn't necessarily imply scum, and undead doesn't necessarily imply town.

I think we should be playing this more like a mafia game, looking for scummy behavior.

pedit: And I got ninja'd on a faction could include multiple races. Oh well, story of this game.

So there's still scum in the hood, your point?

[Luna Fox]

Let's assume that either case (Wulden or Undead spy) could be true, if it's Wulden, they have an Undead fake claim, if it's Undead, they have a fake claim too.
So this lil tidbit of info, is pointless.
The fact of the matter is that there's still possible scum in the hood and that's what matters, stop posting comments that dont help find scum pls.

[Luna Fox]

I would honestly say that it's 10x better if the hood just posts their shit in the main thread because it's much easier to fool like 3-4 people than 20+

THANK YOU!
Finally someone who understands why i have such a hard time with hoods in the first place.

[Luna Fox]

Gut tells me Scum either has it modified so they can blend in, or have discrepancies in their role PMs so that it looks and feels like they're part of the faction, and even have Faction PT access.

OR
They have safe fake claims as mastin has stated multiple times.

[Luna Fox]

How the town and scum wincons look like are clearly stated in the mechanics post, i dont think speculating at this point is gonna help us any... or at least any better than actual scumhunting.

[Luna Fox]

OK, now I'm feeling uncomfortable with Luna ignoring my question.

Feel however you like.
But I've been grilled hard for "outing hood info" and being called "bad player" for it when all i've done is in the good will that said info will help us, but since i'm being hated already i decided to take a vow of silence as to not give them more ammo to grill me with, it was a loaded question from my perspective.

[Luna Fox]

In your hood, was anyone especially interested in who you were going to target? If there is a redirector this could lead to them.

Not exactly, i did ask for suggestions and they gave some even tho i didnt follow any of the suggestions, i didnt want to make my target predictable.

[Luna Fox]

You brought up redirection yourself

Not exactly, the mod made an announcement that made everyone believe the possibility of redirector i fake claimed strong willed for reactions to see if they'd eventually give up which would eliminate the redirection possibility but they saw through it.

[Luna Fox]

Fine then

Vote: SS

[Luna Fox]

The redirect issue should be resolved Day 2 or it'll continue throughout the game.

Thing is...
We wont know for sure until SS flips or i scan them again in a future undisclosed night (unless i die)

[Luna Fox]

It is still the case yes.
The thing is that the race thing is ALSO a thing.
It's kinda hard to explain and im pretty bad at paraphrasing >.<

[Luna Fox]

Luna: who are the top scum suspects in your hood? I want to ISO them and see what I can find in the actual game.

Without disclosing any additional members if they exist, Klingoncelt.
Copper was also a scumread but he's gotten better.

[Luna Fox]

After some talk back and forth, you determined that everyone in the PT was claiming to be Undead, therefore if their is a spy, they must be Wulden.

More or less.
I have a very strong feeling that if there's a spy it's of the Wulden race and most likely scum (since they fake claimed undead).
It's a bit different than what you mentioned even if the result is the same.
I'm also open recently to the possibility of there being an Undead of a different faction.

[Luna Fox]

I think you need to chill Klingy.

[Luna Fox]

I was the first to suggest copping within the PT.

You suggested circular scanning assuming everyone was investigative...
Which again how does that help us figure out anything?
You seemed to assume everyone was factional cop like me, obviously the idea would be shot down.

[Luna Fox]

Wouldn't a faction cop that also included race be more op than the original race check?

I can't check race tho.

[Luna Fox]

If you expected the result to be "Individual Vampire Faction" or whatever the exact wording was then this would be highly suggestive of the player's race this rendering a check mute. Hence it would be more op than the original race check. No. Instead they are probably generics that give an idea of a win condition.

That's the Faction name tho?
I think you DO have a point there tho.

[Luna Fox]

however in that case shouldn't i be getting "Individual Faction" not "Isolationist"?

[Luna Fox]

Yeah, do you guys realize that Klingoncelt decided to not use Watcher ability on the claimed Faction Cop (I was claimed in the hood)?
And then she's pushing my result as if i helped her catch scum, while continuously saying im the scum in the hood?

Yeah makes total sense to me! (not really)

[Luna Fox]

Then again, i promised i wont try to lynch any of them ^_^ but i wont be halting any lynches since apparently they hate me for defending them, so feel free!

[Luna Fox]

Yeah, do you guys realize that Klingoncelt decided to not use Watcher ability on the claimed Faction Cop (I was claimed in the hood)?
And then she's pushing my result as if i helped her catch scum, while continuously saying im the scum in the hood?

Yeah makes total sense to me! (not really)

Why would she waste her ability on the claimed faction cop of the hood. A private topic in this large a game should work together for a while before suspecting each other as you are the best support for each other.

Yeah but apparently my results cant be relied upon because the possibility of redirect.
Which she could've seen if i was redirected or not had i been watched.
Then we'd know for sure whether SS is scum or not.

[Luna Fox]

I just had an idea.
I asked the mod what would i get if i used my ability on Kuroi (since he's flipped that shouldn't be hard to answer)

Unvote

Then we can finally clear this whole thing out.

[Luna Fox]

Also thinking about it... why would an Isolationist be anything other than "Other"? :\

Why wouldnt there be a possibility?
I was claiming that i slipped my role in the hood throughout all D1.

[Luna Fox]

Although i was softing it more of being worried of wanting to kill me via lynch.
But either way, it's not a possibility that can be denied.

Im asking the mod the question in the given case that im misinterpreting the results, since SS claims to be the same faction as Kuroi, this shouldn't be a hard thing to figure out.

[Luna Fox]

Luna can you just out your entire hood for me?

Sorry no can do this time.

[Luna Fox]

Day 1's deadline is Wednesday, August 10th, @ 9:00 PM PST: 19 days, 1 hour, 34 minutes.

Wait, what? Still 19 days to deadline? What kind of fucked up game is this?

ABR

I think she meant Day 2 ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

luna what is the game plan here. All I here in the posts is about your hood, your hood. So what can we do about it. If you think there is scum I would suggest solving it internally because it is hard for us to scum hunt something we cannot see, but a lot of the posts in this game relate back to your hood.
~Suz

That klingly's play is inconsistent with her mind.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway we'll know whether im misinterpreting my results when mastin gets to my question.
So i think it's a moot point to discuss until then.
In the meantime, i still think Klingy's scum.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway we'll know whether im misinterpreting my results when mastin gets to my question.
So i think it's a moot point to discuss until then.
In the meantime, i still think Klingy's scum.

Why?

She thinks im scum yet she's pushing my guilty as if my word is the word of god.

[Luna Fox]

luna what is the game plan here. All I here in the posts is about your hood, your hood. So what can we do about it. If you think there is scum I would suggest solving it internally because it is hard for us to scum hunt something we cannot see, but a lot of the posts in this game relate back to your hood.
~Suz

That klingly's play is inconsistent with her mind.

Then push him. Kling has a very distinctive meta for getting caught as scum.

I am calling for votes on her, but unfortunately i cant vote her today.

[Luna Fox]

luna what is the game plan here. All I here in the posts is about your hood, your hood. So what can we do about it. If you think there is scum I would suggest solving it internally because it is hard for us to scum hunt something we cannot see, but a lot of the posts in this game relate back to your hood.
~Suz

That klingly's play is inconsistent with her mind.

Then push him. Kling has a very distinctive meta for getting caught as scum.

I am calling for votes on her, but unfortunately i cant vote her today.

Why not?

Because i promised i wouldnt lynch anyone in the hood today.

[Luna Fox]

if you saw how badly i've been treated just for wanting to find scum in the hood, you'd understand.
Specially considering i defended copper and Klingy day 1, i dont feel compelled to do that ever again, so i dont mind if they are pushed, i just cant vote them.

[Luna Fox]

They even threatened to get me banned for playing against win con, that even mastin had to stop them because im not.

[Luna Fox]

Sounds like a toxic atmosphere.

You wouldn't want to imagine.
At this point im mostly praying to be NK'd due to my role tbh.
Which is why i said i dont want to be protected.

[Luna Fox]

Luna please just ignore them :/
You don't have to vote them today but I am getting a bad feeling about this.

Yeah it's fine.
Im pretty sure Klingy's scum anyway.
And her flipping as such should clear my paranoia on everyone else.

[Luna Fox]

Anyway:

Luna I have a question who inside A50 and TWIE is in your hood so we don't need to get people to honest claim human and get culted or fake claim and make scum hunting the redirector impossible. Even though it is 99% Klingon who is the rat.

I cannot answer this question.

[Luna Fox]

I don't really wanna talk about this anymore than it's required.

[Luna Fox]

Sounds like a toxic atmosphere. I would probably cry to be honest if that was happening to me.

.......................
If nothing else, I would be interested to see how kling responds to pressure.
VOTE: Kling
Suz

btw regarding this.
She did get a bunch of votes on D1 until i halted it.
Cant you analyze that?

[Luna Fox]

@Stormblade -- Talk to me about the promise. Does it exist? If yes why did this happen?

Promise?

they're talking about the promise to not lynch anyone in our hood.

[Luna Fox]

You mean Luna promising not to vote PT members? I don't recall or see (skimming a bit now) any word for word "promise" from Luna to not vote PT members. What I do know is every time she does she gets screamed at, called "cancer", and accused of gamethrowing. I can't imagine she wants to repeat the experience over and over, though I suspect once Klingon reads this she's gonna get a pretty similar treatment...
-Nahdia

Inb4 she starts yelling at you for "outing hood stuff"
Wouldn't be surprised tbh.

[Luna Fox]

If the concept is not there Luna is free to vote where she likes and no one can scream "wincon" and thus makes the game more enjoyable and enables reads.

I dont think getting yelled at everytime i dare scumread or vote anyone from the PT is an enjoyable experience, do you?

[Luna Fox]

Maybe i made the promise here in the main thread, i was trying to find it, maybe i dreamed i made it. Regardless i'm not going to put myself into more toxicity right now. The game's stressful enough as it is.

[Luna Fox]

My top scumread is still klingon, but you see nahdia already begging me to not vote PT members yet, because it IS true that being wrong there could severely damage us.
I rather you scumread me for this, than me being exposed to more toxicity in the hood, that's how bad it is.

P-Edit: Sigh... you guys arent making this any easier on me...

[Luna Fox]

Because if she's wrong, she kills someone who she needs to keep alive for her wincon

You do realize people outside your hood have claimed that wincon right.
Like you are horrible misunderstanding the situation.

And how do i know they arent fake claims, im currently trusting them but, there's a higher chance of lynching someone with my wincon if i lynch in the hood than if i lynch outside.

[Luna Fox]

Because if she's wrong, she kills someone who she needs to keep alive for her wincon

You do realize people outside your hood have claimed that wincon right.
Like you are horrible misunderstanding the situation.

And how do i know they arent fake claims, im currently trusting them but, there's a higher chance of lynching someone with my wincon if i lynch in the hood than if i lynch outside.

Faction. Faction. Faction. We need the UNDEAD RISEN SLAVE FACTION TO SURVIVE.

I think i already got that.

[Luna Fox]

What would happen is they mislynch one neighbour, then that concentrates the chance of scum in the remaining players, then they just get purged until the scum is found (if there is any), and those remaining get nightkilled for being pseudo-confirmed town. Remember, part of the risen slave wincon is to survive.

THANK YOU

Someone that understands.

[Luna Fox]

Luna why did you cop me out of curiosity I am trying to figure this out and I am trying to see if someone enabled you to cop me.

Oh i was curious if you were our ally or not.
I was strongly townreading you, but that doesnt necessarily make you our ally.

[Luna Fox]

If the concept is not there Luna is free to vote where she likes and no one can scream "wincon" and thus makes the game more enjoyable and enables reads.

I dont think getting yelled at everytime i dare scumread or vote anyone from the PT is an enjoyable experience, do you?

You've been bad at keeping info to yourself, very very bad.

ABR

Nahdia already mentioned it tho, what?

[Luna Fox]

...

[Luna Fox]

Or option 4 Salt flips Individual Human and the Isolationist hit Beeboy and it means someone who is an individual.

I doubt a faction cop would be able to use the name of the race within it or it would function similar to faction + race cop

I am asking mastin anyway.
I'm using Kuroi as a base.