Gistou (Over!)

[MathBlade]

.....

<<insert eye twitch emoji >>

Bullshit is annoying to me. I don't ignore posts. Everyone playing the game deserves to have their posts read. This post feels wrong.

[Almost50]

vote RAM

@Mathblade:

Excuse me why I speak through my laughter. Oh, boy! This Bacde is GOOD!

OK, Mathblade, the wiki doesn't include modifications specifically added by the mod for a Role Madness game. Trust me on this. The wiki only states what is NORMAL for the role to be like.

This game is not just a Large, and not only Role Madness either. It has an incredibly big number of different factions, which makes MY faction (or nay other faction for that matter) very small in comparison with the total number of players.

I would agree that a PGO does not normally select whom to target, but that would be in a one town faction (bc they're obviously large enough to afford a town kill on town). However, when your entire team is 3-4 members in a 28-players game it is most unlikely to have a role that could end up killing one of your own. I'd consider it like THIS PGO only fires at strangers. They ARE Paranoid, but they know their own "family" if you like, so they would shoot a Cop or a burglar alike, but not their own brother for instance.

But I'll tell you what: If we run out of confirmed scum to lynch, you be my guest and lynch me. After all I do NOT need to stay alive for my faction to win. We don't need to control the vote count for instance, and neither does out win con require one of us to be alive, and Mastin kindly did clarify that this win com "all threats to X faction are eliminated" does win if that condition is met even if the faction members are all dead.

As for Strongmen, yes, they do bypass protection, but the BG should've still died in that case. If you're talking about RAM though; this is not a "protection". Immunity cannot be bypassed. It's not BP nor is it a JK effect, a Doctor, a BG or anything like that. Being "immune" is being IMMUNE. And the fact that it's conditional proves it. RAM would have had to trade their night action to get it.

Finally, I whole-heartedly agree on this pants thing. I also kept screaming at people, but they -unfortunately- either ignore me or just won't listen.

Also check my voting record and compare it to my declared understanding of the game and you might realize why I haven't been flip flopping much too.

[rb]

Only Town I still have a semi-confident read on at this point is Toogeloo.

Wake is probably 3rd Party.
Mastin corrected my Mathblade Nation check - it's 'Other' and not West Empire. I have to look into what a Nation/Location combo of Other/Great Ridge implies.
DGB I don't know anymore because of what Tim said
I feel like Tim might be town though.

Have to double check but I seem to remember Nahdia really wanting us to kill Expedience and I trust her instincts on that one. Wayward is still scum imo. RAM, Cephrir and Salt Squad all went to efforts to avoid voting them (will double check). I don't know if that's just because they really wanted Kuroi dead or something but to me that seems somehow significant. Also some of the people who've town-flipped really wanted Wayward dead.

Nosferatu I'm mixed on. Bacde says they're guilty, but I don't know wtf to make of the Bacde slot. Their representation of night actions are accurate though, if people would just use their brains when they read it. Yes, I doubt scum!Bacde lies at this point, but Heartless has confirmed their reads as well. I don't really scumread Heartless that much. There's still the thing about scum in the hood....but it's not impossible they were just all wrong about it. It feels like a lot of confbias to lynch Bacde now based on that. Bacde's "townslip" could be real or fake, voting RAM was just ridiculous. Don't know if scum!Bacde pulls something like that when their slot is under this pressure. Cbf diving their meta though.

Overall, I want to lynch:
Wayward
Expedience
LLD
Wake

Thoughts?

[Wake1]

RB, you

DO

realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?

[rb]

.....

<<insert eye twitch emoji >>

Bullshit is annoying to me. I don't ignore posts. Everyone playing the game deserves to have their posts read. This post feels wrong.

Okay, fair enough. I just see it as a quality of life thing because A50 so far:

- didn't even realise Nosferatu checked Cephrir N1, when that was a major part of the game
- doesn't realise that race and nation/location checks are separate things
- doesn't understand how RAMs conditional bulletproof works
- still can't fathom the concept that everyone who needs a fakeclaim, has a fakeclaim
- can't even follow a simple pattern of night actions when put into bullet point form

Wake:

- has to ask the mod if a 50% wincon flip is the mafia faction when it says on the first page that the scum faction has a 50% wincon parameter
- still can't understand that faction = wincon and asks questions like "IF WINCON CHANGES, DOES FACTION CHANGE TOO?!"
- apparently doesn't fathom the concept that everyone who needs a fakeclaim, has a fakeclaim and keeps insisting he's ObvTown.

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Pretty sure Wake is 3rd party. A50 could be anything but his points on mechanics are not even remotely coherent or helpful.

Read them if you want, I personally prefer my Mafia games aneurysm-free.

[rb]

RB, you

DO

realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?

You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.

[Wake1]

RB, you

DO

realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?

You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.

My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.

[Expedience]

rb, is the only reason you think Wake is third party because he said something about how there could be a serial killer or something? He seems really town to me, especially what I saw catching up.

I would like Nosferatu to full claim.

Bacde's claim and all of that stuff gives me a headache. I'm going to come back to this later.

VOTE: LLD

[rb]

^ silence scum.

[MathBlade]

RB, you

DO

realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?

You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.

My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.

And this is what signals RB is derp!town. *sigh*

[rb]

RB, you

DO

realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?

You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.

My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.

Cool story bro, because it's totally impossible that you wouldn't have a believable fakeclaim or anything.

Also I'm fairly sure you're not so stupid to think that just because YOUR nation is Northern Tribes and apparently aligns with your WinCon, that every other player has an aligning Nation + Faction WinCon, right?

[Almost50]

Overall, I want to lynch:
Wayward
Expedience
LLD
Wake

Thoughts?

LLD is good to go.
Wayward is likely scum too, but I'm not positive on it yet.
Expedience is town unless culted/recruited by scum last night.
Wake is still town to this very moment.

And I thought you were one of those who believed flavour means shit, so I'm wondering how your Nation/Location combo would yield anything concrete. Mathblade is still likely town to me for all it's worth. (Likely though. Not "confirmed").

P-edit:

By God let me submit this post already!

[MathBlade]

Bacde - 3 (A Song of Ice and Fire, No Retreat, Tim)
Lady Lambdadelta - 7 (Toogeloo, RachMarie, DrippingGoofball, Heartless, Wake88, Almost50, Mathblade)

Not Voting - 8 (Nosferatu, Wayward Thinker, davesaz, No Retreat, Lady Lambdadelta, Expedience, TheWayItEnds, rb)

Expedience makes it 8 unless I missed one. Someone please double check gotta be back later.

[rb]

RB, you

DO

realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?

You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.

My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.

And this is what signals RB is derp!town. *sigh*

Your Nation is Other? Is your WinCon also 'Other' Mathblade?

Because if not, then you should know that Nation =/= WinCon.

[rb]

Also I did post before that Mastin corrected my read and that Mathblade's nation is NOT West Empire - it's 'Other'. So my Nation thing ceases to apply.

[MathBlade]

RB, you

DO

realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?

You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.

My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.

And this is what signals RB is derp!town. *sigh*

Your Nation is Other? Is your WinCon also 'Other' Mathblade?

Because if not, then you should know that Nation =/= WinCon.

I neither confirm nor deny my nation. Yes Nation doesn't equal win con. *sigh*

[rb]

So then why am I derp town for saying that Wake saying, "check my nation!" when it's fucking OBVIOUS that it means nothing?

[rb]

So then why am I derp town for calling out Wake for saying, "check my nation!" when it should be fucking OBVIOUS that it means nothing?

EBWOP

[MathBlade]

Because you aren't seeing the other posts that make Wake obvTown and if I spell it out bad things happen :/

[Wake1]

Like DEEZ NUTS.

[rb]

Because you aren't seeing the other posts that make Wake obvTown and if I spell it out bad things happen :/

I've read all of them and they don't mean shit because:

- everyone who needs a fake-claim, has a fake-claim

[rb]

2/3 Northern Tribes Nation flips are scum, btw. Cephrir + Ram.

The 3rd flip was Kuroi, Individual Vampire.

[Wake1]

If Scum has a fakeclaim and it dies when they flip it isn't the fakeclaim that's shown but the real role PM.

[rb]

I'm aware of that.

[Wake1]

...oh shit.