Gistou (Over!)

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"It's wise to be... cautious... with Wake."

True, but you should be kissing my butt this game since I'm obvTown.

You're obv not-scum. That doesn't make you obv-town.

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But whatever I'm just tin-foil hatting right now.

Honestly though I must just be inexperienced at multi-ball because it seems so fucking weird that I'm being asked by what I'm like 95% sure is a town player to do the thing in a SCUM FACTION WINCON and kill a Wulden. It feels so disgusting but I think I'm starting to accept it's the right play for town...I think?

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When I was Scumhunting Mastin in the PMs he told me to look at the 50% wincon and asked me if it looks like a Scum wincon, and basically said that yes it is one.

You actually had to ask Mastin to know that?

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I think we established like automatically that the 50% WinCon was scum because it said in page 1 with one of Mastin's mechanics points that there's a scum faction which wins when it controls 50% of town...wtf else would a 50% WinCon flip be?

*puts tin-foil hat back on*

In wayb4 this is Wake trying to towntell and he's Destroyer of Worlds.

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Also you said, "the towniest player could be 3rd party!" and now you're screaming, "I'm OBV-TOWN!"

I hope I'm not the only one thinking that you'd do this to make us think you're being way too obvious to actually be the 3rd party.

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Omg how is this a thing that people don't automatically know from the flips by now?

Town flips:

- West Empire Faction
- Individual Humans
- Individual Vampires
- New Humanity Treaty

Scum flips:

- Isolationists
- Insertcultfactionhere

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There's potentially another town. There's a "Destroyer of Worlds" as Wake keeps saying over and over which is probably a 3rd Party as noted also by the number of NK's.

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You're not ACTUALLY obvTown though.

Yes I've been reading the thread. It's mod-confirmed every faction that would need it has a fake-claim. There's literally fucking nothing that makes you obvTown because remember, this is a multi-ball game moron. Not just that, a multi-ball game with MOD-CONFIRMED fake-claims for ANY PLAYER THAT NEEDS IT.

This tin-foil hat's never coming off.

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Sorry, this townblock isn't big enough for both our egos

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boys boys you are both pretty

can we focus here on the information and parsing it please?

Okay. I'll summarise it for you. The following are the flips that we know exist:

Town flips:

- West Empire Faction
- Individual Humans
- Individual Vampires
- New Humanity Treaty

Scum flips:

- Isolationists
- Insertcultfactionhere

Other:

Destroyer of Worlds

It's possible there's a Town and a Scum flip we haven't yet seen. Northern Tribes sounds like it's the Town one. Might not be.

With the amount of Undead that died, it seems like there might be an anti-undead faction. That could very well be the cult.

What else do you want parsed Rach?

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Thanks Toog. Pls don't be scum Toog.

VOTE: LLD

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Think about it.

Wulden and Isolationist are opposing

Mafia

factions.

Cult is another Scum faction.

Lastly, Wake is a Serial Killer.

FTFY

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<3 you Mr. ObvTown.

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UNVOTE: LLD

Shadow vote on LLD. The day literally started hours ago though and I'm not eager to end it so fast.

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Bacde isn't Isolationist I'm pretty sure. Other scumteam possibly.

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Yeah, so not possible to be Isolationist.

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What I don't get: how did the Isolationists not kill LLD if she's Wulden?

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Wake's balls are huge. Which is all the more reason why he's destroyer.

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Nice DEEZtroyer of Worlds slip.

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Going to bed.

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I'm actually just completely ignoring any post about mechanics made by A50 because he's been completely wrong with just about every single on he's made. I encourage all players to do the same.

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Mod corrected my read btw, Mathblade nation is actually 'Other'

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Just read their Role PM's Rach...

There's 3 scum flips, surely you could just check.

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@Mathblade it's really annoying me that you keep telling everyone to stop talking about mechanics and then you just keep clarifying people on mechanics. If it's because you get pressure behind your left eye whenever you read a Wake or Almost50 post just follow this simple algorithm:

Mechanics post > is it by A50 or Wake > yes > skip

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Only Town I still have a semi-confident read on at this point is Toogeloo.

Wake is probably 3rd Party.
Mastin corrected my Mathblade Nation check - it's 'Other' and not West Empire. I have to look into what a Nation/Location combo of Other/Great Ridge implies.
DGB I don't know anymore because of what Tim said
I feel like Tim might be town though.

Have to double check but I seem to remember Nahdia really wanting us to kill Expedience and I trust her instincts on that one. Wayward is still scum imo. RAM, Cephrir and Salt Squad all went to efforts to avoid voting them (will double check). I don't know if that's just because they really wanted Kuroi dead or something but to me that seems somehow significant. Also some of the people who've town-flipped really wanted Wayward dead.

Nosferatu I'm mixed on. Bacde says they're guilty, but I don't know wtf to make of the Bacde slot. Their representation of night actions are accurate though, if people would just use their brains when they read it. Yes, I doubt scum!Bacde lies at this point, but Heartless has confirmed their reads as well. I don't really scumread Heartless that much. There's still the thing about scum in the hood....but it's not impossible they were just all wrong about it. It feels like a lot of confbias to lynch Bacde now based on that. Bacde's "townslip" could be real or fake, voting RAM was just ridiculous. Don't know if scum!Bacde pulls something like that when their slot is under this pressure. Cbf diving their meta though.

Overall, I want to lynch:
Wayward
Expedience
LLD
Wake

Thoughts?

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<<insert eye twitch emoji >>

Bullshit is annoying to me. I don't ignore posts. Everyone playing the game deserves to have their posts read. This post feels wrong.

Okay, fair enough. I just see it as a quality of life thing because A50 so far:

- didn't even realise Nosferatu checked Cephrir N1, when that was a major part of the game
- doesn't realise that race and nation/location checks are separate things
- doesn't understand how RAMs conditional bulletproof works
- still can't fathom the concept that everyone who needs a fakeclaim, has a fakeclaim
- can't even follow a simple pattern of night actions when put into bullet point form

Wake:

- has to ask the mod if a 50% wincon flip is the mafia faction when it says on the first page that the scum faction has a 50% wincon parameter
- still can't understand that faction = wincon and asks questions like "IF WINCON CHANGES, DOES FACTION CHANGE TOO?!"
- apparently doesn't fathom the concept that everyone who needs a fakeclaim, has a fakeclaim and keeps insisting he's ObvTown.

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Pretty sure Wake is 3rd party. A50 could be anything but his points on mechanics are not even remotely coherent or helpful.

Read them if you want, I personally prefer my Mafia games aneurysm-free.

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RB, you

DO

realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?

You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.

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^ silence scum.

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RB, you

DO

realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?

You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.

My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.

Cool story bro, because it's totally impossible that you wouldn't have a believable fakeclaim or anything.

Also I'm fairly sure you're not so stupid to think that just because YOUR nation is Northern Tribes and apparently aligns with your WinCon, that every other player has an aligning Nation + Faction WinCon, right?

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RB, you

DO

realize anyone can check my Nation and see that I'm of the Northern Tribes, right?

You DO realise that Nation =/= WinCon, right?

Aaaaand, this is why I skip.

My Nation and my Faction both say Northern Tribes.

And this is what signals RB is derp!town. *sigh*

Your Nation is Other? Is your WinCon also 'Other' Mathblade?

Because if not, then you should know that Nation =/= WinCon.

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Also I did post before that Mastin corrected my read and that Mathblade's nation is NOT West Empire - it's 'Other'. So my Nation thing ceases to apply.

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So then why am I derp town for saying that Wake saying, "check my nation!" when it's fucking OBVIOUS that it means nothing?

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So then why am I derp town for calling out Wake for saying, "check my nation!" when it should be fucking OBVIOUS that it means nothing?

EBWOP

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Because you aren't seeing the other posts that make Wake obvTown and if I spell it out bad things happen :/

I've read all of them and they don't mean shit because:

- everyone who needs a fake-claim, has a fake-claim

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2/3 Northern Tribes Nation flips are scum, btw. Cephrir + Ram.

The 3rd flip was Kuroi, Individual Vampire.

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I'm aware of that.

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LMFAO.

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Seriously Wake...just LOL.

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Anyway still gonna vote LLD today, but it seems pointless to quicklynch.

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The question is, in a world where bacde is telling the truth, how does he magically see Nosferatu. In other words, what fantastical power makes Nosferatu target RAM instead of his intended target of stormblade.

The power of Nosferatu lying.

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Luna getting Strongman'd is very likely since she was basically a conftown Faction Cop, which would by far be the most powerful investigative role in the game.

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I'm sorry Mastin, I don't see Bacde in the vote count. I think they aren't voting.

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If this day is gonna end early I think we need to provide some lists because so many people are dying every night and I hate not getting people's reads before they die. Already did mine.

Please hold off on hammer until we do this. I also intend to vote LLD if necessary.

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I read that as LLD wanting us to end day early to deny information.

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Tbh at this point it doesn't even matter what LLD says. If town the best she can do is provide her reads to help us out if she does flip town.

If scum she's just gonna wifom us. Either way she's going to be the day's lynch because her race is cop-read as Wulden, she's not contesting that but instead claiming to be Individual Wulden. There's a scum faction that needs all Wulden dead seemingly regardless of their alignment, so we're lynching because it's massively likely all Wulden are scum. If there's an exception she's most likely the only one.

P-edit: no worries @ all Mastin.

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So, proposal: let's figure out the other stuff, decide where the other scum are.

If LLD provides content, we ignore it until flip: then we either use it (because she flipped town) or dismiss it because she flipped scum. But there's zero benefit to us in focussing on her or ending this day early.

@ASOIAF: who else is scum to you? Why?
Who is town to you?

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Just ignore LLD and do useful stuff.

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Can't really figure out why you constantly tell people to stop mechanic-talk and then you wanna have a heart-to-heart with everyone about mechanics at the same time. You keep saying we should scumhunt, but now instead of hunting you wanna have another heart-to-heart about the shittiness of Mastin's mechanics.

Mastin's mechanics aren't bad, it's not a bad game. It's a bad game for LLD because she replaced into being race-read as Wulden which we know is pretty much confirmed scum.

If she's scum it doesn't give us thoughts, it gives us wifom that we should absolutely ignore. If Town then it gives us thoughts. I'm not "ignoring" a scum read. Ignoring a scumread would be me bothering to tunnel LLD who is basically dead no matter what. The horse is dead. If LLD wants to help us because she's town, I encourage her to do so and I'm sorry she replaced into such a shitty slot. Not much else we can do though.

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Can't really figure out why you constantly tell people to stop mechanic-talk and then you wanna have a heart-to-heart with everyone about mechanics at the same time. You keep saying we should scumhunt, but now instead of hunting you wanna have another heart-to-heart about the shittiness of Mastin's mechanics.

Mastin's mechanics aren't bad, it's not a bad game. It's a bad game for LLD because she replaced into being race-read as Wulden which we know is pretty much confirmed scum.

If she's scum it doesn't give us thoughts, it gives us wifom that we should absolutely ignore. If Town then it gives us thoughts. I'm not "ignoring" a scum read. Ignoring a scumread would be me bothering to tunnel LLD who is basically dead no matter what. The horse is dead. If LLD wants to help us because she's town, I encourage her to do so and I'm sorry she replaced into such a shitty slot. Not much else we can do though.

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I am not having a goddamn heart to heart about mechanics Jesus. I am just correcting bullshit. It is through correcting said bullshit you find out if people are town or scum.

LLD is not a replace in :/ Like are you mixing up games here?

Bah I do not understand you RB I don't. It is like you are trying to give LLD excuses to not interact. I agree they are probably obv scum but stop giving likely scum hints already Jesus.

I fell asleep while writing this post and then woke up tried rereading and still don't understand. LLD is probably going to be lynched but I guess we just play things differently or you are just infuriating me for no reason...but that would make you scum which goes against my prior reads...

Welcome to WTF pile RB.

I'm just saying, I don't know how to read it when you say, "let's go scumhunt!" and then you keep correcting people on mechanics instead of pushing your scumreads. Like in a game this big you can't really do anything about people not understand the mechanics entirely, and you're not actually scumhunting despite saying it's what we're supposed to be doing over and over. That's my point.

I have no idea how you're meant to find out if people are scum or town through correcting mechanics bullshit because I've seen scum and town all be wrong and right about mechanics at certain points. It just seems irrelevant to me and I keep waiting for all my townreads to reach the same conclusion and stop worrying about it. I'm not giving LLD excuses, I'm giving Town some direction, namely:

1. Don't quicklynch and waste the day
2. We know LLD is probably scum, so anything she says is gonna be wifom at best when she flips
3. Focus on pushing your other scumreads

I will say though, I'm genuinely sorry if I'm interrupting your scumhunting or stepping on your toes without realising. Maybe you just have different methods to me, so I'll just stfu and let you do your thing as from what I can see you're more than competent. I'm just getting frustrated because I didn't want a quickhammer on LLD since that's definitely what scum would love today, as there's multiple players still milling about. We need to spend today pushing other scumreads to make the town-game stronger going forward. Agreed?

Again, sorry if I'm genuinely tripping you up and fucking up your flow here - not my intention.

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Nosferatu is probs scum. My own Gut read + Bacde's night checks (which I think are legit regardless of her own alignment) tell me we should lynch there.

Also Wayward Thinker/Expedience are good lynches. Wake might be 3rd party but I don't see a point going down that road right now. Re-reading him and his "oops!" moment when he realised that Nation =/= WinCon seems legit enough that he wasn't using it as a fake-claim. I think. In either case I'm less sure about Wake than my other reads so I'm not lynching there.

DGB/TWIE are just completely bypassing my filters. A50 might need to die at some point but he's towntelling more than some of the ppl in the middle of the pack. We're at Day 4 which means there's presumably like 4scum + 3-4 cult? The game is looking really grim for Town and I don't want to waste a lynch on someone who I find confusing, because I don't think confusing is alignment indicative.

WT/Expedience/Nosferatu/Bacde should be lynched. Thoughts?

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there is an innocent result on bacde

It's not really a hard clear like you're implying from my POV.

Bacde is the last on the lynch list anyway and if Nosferatu flips scum then I doubt Bacde is scum (not from the same faction at least). We can agree there right? Who do you think is scum ASOIAF?

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Dave is DGB territory, I need to re-read him.

No Retreat hasn't contributed much but he's contributed well when he does. I'll re-read as well. I'm working regular hours again though so I won't be up late into the night/early morning like I was before. Just about bedtime right now.

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Doesn't really make sense tbh.

Gimme some reasons.

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Talking about why you want to lynch me :/

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VOTE: bacde

You realize I'm basically innoed right?

By nature of me being in the undead faction group that was confirmed to be townsided

and confirmed to only have undead or possibly wulden in it

and now being confirmed to be undead?

I believe that we are suggesting in this game that your race says little about your alignment, rather it just gives a jumping off point in order to make cases.

Uh...

You didn't read my post at all did you?

There's a lot more than race going on as to why I'm innoed

Did you forget to use race as a jumping off point to determine alignment?

Wayward thinker seems like scum actually

Fucking wow does this mean we can actually lynch the person I've been trying to get lynched since day 1??

VOTE: Wayward Thinker

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Rach I don't question your motivations but I question your accuracy on this read.

I thought Bacde was scum for like all of Day 2, but I started to change my mind on Day 3. Re-read from Day 3 when Bacde first replaced in, I really don't think they're a better lynch than someone like Nosferatu/Wayward/Expedience. If you disagree then okay, Bacde isn't a TERRIBLE lynch but I think they're low-hanging fruit for today.

Like we had this big theory there was scum in Luna's hood. We don't know there definitely is. A lot of townflips have had Expedience/Wayward as their scumreads - Wayward's Day 1 wagon was derailed onto Kuroi by multiple scum that have flipped. I'm reading WT scum, the flips support the theory that they're scum. Let's lynch scum please. My head's gonna explode because I've been trying to get people to see scum Wayward since like halfway through Day 1. But we did have a guilty on Salt Squad and then LLD - so it's understandable. Apparently we have no guilty, so this is the time to lynch the best scumreads - right?

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Bacde is just becoming a more and more terrible lynch as the game goes on.

@Heartless what do you think of A50's PGO claim? I think it's bullshit at this point.

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WTF he is undead scum

I got the result just like I did on Titus and RAM

his race is undead he was with the undead faction as a wulden SPY duh are you doubting Luna our cop?

There's no actual proof there's a spy, they were just basing it off some flavour mastin said about their hood not necessarily being scum-free. They all figured there was scum in their hood, but it isn't necessarily true. If their race is undead, it's still likely they're part of the Undead Risen Slave Wincon. Yeah okay, race =/= alignment but it IS pretty indicative since so far we've seen 3 Isolationists flip as 2Nosferatu/1Vampire and presumably the last member is Nosferatu - and 2 Wulden have both been Wulden Faction scum.

It doesn't mean there's a "scum race" but the info you're using to call Bacde scum is not confirmed info. Luna "our cop" never checked Bacde's alignment, so in that regard she's just as likely to be wrong about Bacde's alignment as any other generic Town player. 4 undead players have flipped, all were town. What makes you so sure this undead player is scum?

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@Luna: who are you scumreading outside of your Night result?

I do have a scumread in my hood which i mentioned.

Outside of that i have no idea rn im townreading a lot of ppl.
I'm pretty much trying to figure out who's trying to lynch us based on our win condition, because they're more than likely either scum or at least... opposing our faction.

There you go Luna's OWN WORDS

scum in the undead hood

undead scum spy for the wulden faction

Yeah as mentioned all this means is that it's what she suspected, but she didn't use a cop-read on it.

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@RachMarie: you know who else some town flips have suspected, who I think have more chance of being right than Bacde?

Nahdia wanted us to lynch Expedience.
Dramonic wanted us to lynch Wayward Thinker.

I agree with those reads way more than this Undead one. Also, only humans can be culted - so Bacde is either just Wulden scum (but they aren't Wulden) or she's not even scum. I mean, she could be Isolationist but that seems to not make sense to me because the Isolationists needed to kill the Wulden and Mastin dropped a hint that the only races possible in the hood were Wulden + Undead. So I'd rather not lynch a probable town, small-ish chance of scum player who's immune to culting. I'd much rather lynch a probable scum player who for all we know is cult-able. We haven't killed a single cult yet, so even if they're not scum we stand a chance of hitting cult - yes?

Let's kill the cult-able scumreads before the uncult-able scumreads. It's the best thing to do right now. We have to make a dent in the cult because there's presumably at least another Wulden scum, possibly 2 and there's maybe another Isolationist. All non-human factions get 1 recruit - we can't be sure all Isolationists are dead and if there was 3 Isolationists its logical to assume the other scum could have 3. There's also no reason there couldn't be more, right? So right now with 18 players left we're looking at potentially 3scum + 3 cult. That's 12v6 and I think we should lynch the cult-able players first.

ISOIAF claims to be not-cultable. The only reason to disbelieve that is that she's just lying. I don't know how likely that is, but I'm happy to put that off for 1 day.
Wake claimed Human on Day 1 - so unless he's somehow not cultable...

@Mastin are Masons cult-able in this game?

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Maybe she was wrong, but there is also the fact he was blocked last night and we had no townie deaths?

or was anyone else blocked last night and prevented from killing townies?

I am going to look at some others since no one is willing to look at this case much less the ate he did in result to my pushing on him which just screams scum to me.

It's not AtE, it's the fact that they're basically confirmed innocent through mechanics. I'm figuring you just aren't keeping 100% up with all the mechanics going on, you've been V/LA so that's understandable. We should lyncch Wayward. Srsly.

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Maybe she was wrong, but there is also the fact he was blocked last night and we had no townie deaths?

or was anyone else blocked last night and prevented from killing townies?

I am going to look at some others since no one is willing to look at this case much less the ate he did in result to my pushing on him which just screams scum to me.

Who knows? A lot of scum have died, and if you saw RAM's flip he has a choice of using either his kill or other abilities. If RAM used no abilities at all, he was totally bulletproof iirc. Or maybe X-shot something. Town has lynched 2 scum and NK'd 3 others right? It's possible the scum just wanna lie low and avoid detection for now. Remember Bacde is a claimed Watcher - if she were to watch a scum target, she could find them doing an NK. It actually makes perfect sense for scum to block her right now.

Also, back on Day 1 Titus flipped human-vig and there was an implication that there were 2 other vig's in the game, but Titus' NK's only worked on non-humans and the other champions. It's possible the scum killed other scum, or the lack of NK's is because humans were targeted by the human champions. Who knows, there's a lot of complex mechanics here.

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rb I never said his race was wulden I checked his race like I said I would he is undead.

That's what I mean. The undead Hood suspected a

Wulden

spy. Bacde is not a Wulden.

Shit, maybe it's an undead allied with Wulden but we don't have any reason to just assume that rn other than generic town suspicions - which there are plenty of to go around regardless, why fixate on just this one?

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Okay well. I guess it's just what I said first, I just think you're not right about this. The Mason claim feels wrong to my gut but my gut can be wrong so that's why I just figured I see you as town, just not on the right track.

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But okay if that's your reasoning I can't deny that it's a possibility I just feel like it's very unlikely at this point. I mean I would think there are non-humans aligned with humans and non-wulden aligned with Wulden too...but I feel like this just is not the case here. Bacde would get blocked regardless of her alignment rn imo, and she'd also likely get protected by a town doc because she's a claimed Watcher. With so few scum left she could basically get a confirmed guilty on a scum if she sees a visitor to someone who gets NK'd. If they do have a role-blocker, they'd surely be blocking her too.

Or, she could have been jailkept by town? Or scum? Srsly I don't see a point speculating my point is that there are many, many possible reason for us to have had no Town NK's and it doesn't necessarily mean Bacde is scum just cos she got blocked. I think she's more likely to flip town at this point.

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Actually, yes. I think we have a bus driver because someone suggested there was a bus driver and Cephrir (Isolationist scum) said, "I doubt there's a bus driver because that's a bad role and mastin wouldn't put in a bad role."

You gonna trust scum Cephrir?

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Undead can't be culted.......................................................

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Oh.

So you think the actual cult could cult anyone, but works different to the normal conversion mechanics?

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And we probably have a bus driver ^_^

p-edit: you seemed to be saying that you think Undead can be culted, but as far as I knew only humans could be culted/converted, no?

I feel like I need to re-read the flips because I seem to be missing something :/

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ok I am going to make a pot of coffee and then I am going to dig into those lynch wagons and see where i want to put my vote plus talk with wake in our mason thread

no I am not undead

PEDIT no it was my case on bacde, not yours.

I need one as well cuase I'm getting headace

I think rb just cult slipped last page

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there was no fucking way someone could read what I said that way.

Have you not been reading how non-humans can only convert humans? Non-humans can't be converted/culted - I said that Bacde is Undead, therefore she cannot be culted. You seem to insist that she might have been culted. The only other way she's cult is if she's literally the cult leader. I'm actually so lost. Our priority right now should be to find cult/scum, no? Only humans can be culted, Undead are likely to have the Undead Risen Slave WinCon, which is a Town WinCon.

We thought the hood had scum because Luna suspected it, but it doesn't even look like that's something we should necessarily trust right now. I think we should be lynching people who are scum who could also be potentially culted. On top of that Bacde isn't high on my scum suspect list, so this lynch is just wrong for all kinds of reasons imo.

What's important is that we kill Wayward Thinker or A50 tbh. I actually don't believe A50's PGO claim whatsoever at this point. I think he's scum.

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The Bus Driver thing might explain how Bodyguard Toogeloo could protect Luna and not die btw. What if the Bus Driver swapped Luna + RAM, while RAM simultaneously redirected something (I'm trying to figure out what).

Intuitively it seems possible that this all makes sense with a Bus Driver. I don't think Bacde is lying. If I'm wrong then I guess I'm just an idiot.

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LLD was caught by Cephrir iirc? I can't even remember properly anymore.

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Nos isn't isolationist, he's probably Cult or Wulden?

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Gonna go to bed. I think Bacde's a bad lynch today, we have better ones surely.

And we possibly need to start sorting the game for this "unknown 3rd party" at some point. FML.

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Rb is confbiasing me super hard. I have yet to see a decent case on me accept "vibes".

I've actually spent like 2 gamedays casing you but we had guilty results. You were busy not even playing the game so you missed it.

Condensed:

Kuroi was your counterwagon. Handful of scum all jumped off your wagon to vote Kuroi. Many townflips thought you were scum, so far all the scumflips have either ignored you and given you null or townreads.

Your play Day 1 was scummy.

Now don't give me this bullshit when you haven't even been playing or apparently reading this game. Can we just lynch this scum already?

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Mastin is actually a god.

<<< <3 >>>

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LOL cute a50, cute

Considering how complex and careful she has made this setup, I don't think she is gonna slip up like that ROFL

Even gods make mistakes.

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I prefer to just use the term god because how do you even define the gender of god?

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This thread is now a social studies class where we debate endlessly over whether there's closer to 2 or 147 genders.

<<< Let's not. >>>

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Toog, do you think A50's PGO claim is legit? I don't.

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Day1: voted my top scumread instead of the Kuroi wagon which had multiple of my scumreads on it, since I was scumreading Cephrir, RAM and Wayward
Day2: believed that SS had been redirected, was wrong
Day3: wanted to spend the rest of the day scumhunting instead of speedlynching LLD. I said multiple times that I had no problem lynching LLD.

Ya, I thought Mathblade was town for most of the game. I was wrong obviously, but Day3 ended early before I was finished talking to her. Note how on Day3 I started pointing out her total lack of scumhunting and the fact that she kept just talking mechanics and didn't really hunt anyone, and how her agenda had started looking fake.

Also what a bunch of bullshit that I haven't been trying to figure out alignments, that's like the majority of my content. Case is bad and any town on this wagon should feel bad.

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Not to mention this case only seems to occur once I actually question the legitimacy of A50's claims :^)

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RB pls talk to me about how or how not WT is a counterwagon to Exp.

What do you mean?

Both WT and Expedience are scumreads for me, they should both die as far as I'm concerned.

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Case is bad and any town on this wagon should feel bad.

I'm town and I'm not feeling bad at all!

Not to mention this case only seems to occur once I actually question the legitimacy of A50's claims :^)

Exactly! Thank you for proving my "bad" point. My PGO claim has nothing to do with my alignment. You're more concerned about me being a PGO than you are about me being Northern Tribes. It looks -to me- that you are resigned to the fact that I'm both human and town, and thus a recruit candidate, but you're hesitant to attempt to recruit be because of the PGO claim. That IS my point.

I'll give it to you straight: Yes, I'm human. Yes, I belong to the Northern Tribes Faction, and YES if you try to recruit me you will end up dead. If you try to kill me it will come with a cost too. And with how things have been going I certainly don't mind a one-for-one trade.

Also: Any half-decent player knows a PGO does NOT make it to LyLo anyway, so I could become a policy lynch at some point. However, it looks like we're doing fine and we may not get to close to LyLo, which IS one more point that makes me wary of you. If you know that I would be lynched if things start going down for the town, why do you concern yourself so much with me being a PGO? My role only affects your NIGHT action, but not your ability to vote/lynch me at any time, so where is your problem?

Problem is that you've claimed Human/Northern Tribes but are obviously deterring people from actually checking with the PGO claim. Maybe this is just how PGO should play, but seems like it'd be easy for scum to pull this. Your play is scummy from my POV, which makes me thing that the PGO claim is indicative of your alignment. This never had anything to do with me caring about the role, it's your alignment I distrust. I want to lynch you because I think you're scum, not because of your role. That's irrelevant.

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I don't know Rach. With two mafia factions and one cult faction it seems pretty plausible that a scum team would have only 3, with a chance to recruit a 4th member. That'd make the 28-player game start out as 20-1-1-3-3. We don't know how successful cult has been, they could have 4 members by now presumably, or still just 1 depending what the parameters are. I'm kind of assuming they have 2-3. I mean I can only trust that Mastin has tried to balance this so each faction has a roughly equal chance of winning. I'm guessing the 3rd party is pretty strong somehow and also it seems like the town has quite a few strong roles, I mean we apparently have 3 uncultable vigilantes who can only kill non-humans. So it's like a small chance of misfire - maybe that's why there's less NK's btw: the vigilantes targeted human?

Would help explain why there's been so many non-human deaths on every night.

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Umm ASOIAF I'm still pushing for Wayward lynch - but the last 2 days the town had Guilty claims from cops and the days pretty much just revolved around that. Go look at my Day 1 play and compare it to today if you want a comparison, because the contexts of Days 1 & 4 are much more similar than Days 2/3/4 are.

Also I was pushing on Cephrir/RAM/WT/Exped and to a lesser extend also Titus on Day 1, then I suspected Copper/Bacde Day 2 the most iirc. Day 3 I thought LLD was scum (but I didn't want to speedlynch) and then Mathblade ended up dying to NK. 6 of my scumreads have ended up dying, 4 of them from NK. The ones left are WT/Exped/Bacde. Bacde I'm no longer confident in my read, I want WT/Exped dead and I'm suspicious of A50 but he's not as important as those 2 from my POV.

Plus like all my casing on Wayward is well and truly done, there's seriously nothing left to say. Wayward is scum by vote patterns, by posting, by many scum avoiding voting them, scum hopping off their wagon, plus the fact they're a possible cult target. ALSOOO the fact that there's 5 scum dead means that there's just less to find. I'm trying to figure out who 3rd party + cult are supposed to be. A50's a candidate for that imo, as opposed to mafia. I really have no fucking idea tbh, but hey, maybe you're 3rd party ASOIAF?

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And obviously I'm going to be more defensive when I have more votes today than I've had over the last 3 days combined

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But hey I'd wanna kill me too considering like more than 50% of my scumreads have been correct

Feeling the pressure ASOIAF?

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The difference between those two posts is that in one, you're fighting with me over mechanics. I don't want to fight over mechanics, I want mechanics to be understood. Getting into a pissing contest about who's right about mechanics is stupid, which is why I was eager to resolve the race/faction argument ASAP - people were literally just throwing around misconceptions and misinterpretations like they were facts constantly. That's really not helpful to town. Get what I'm saying?

Right now, you're fighting me over alignments. That's not as useless. You're wrong but I don't want to deter you from hunting - just from hunting me. And yes, I obviously want you to back off but no it's not a threat. It's a train of thought I'm having as well - I'm trying to find cult/scum/3rd party and I find it possible you're part of one of those factions, but not nearly as likely as WT/Exped. I've wanted WT lynched since Day 1 and I think Nosferatu (player) is potential cult leader. You're not exactly high on my list of wanting to lynch right now because I think you're likely town. This isn't Day 1 either where there's a big surplus of town - so dividing town right now is very bad and I'm not inclined to be arrogant/argumentative at this stage.

Oh and like I said Day 4 so far is nothing like Day 2/3 where there were guilties and I was rushing to get content/reads before the inevitable speedlynches. We have time today, I don't feel like anything needs forcing. I think I can get WT lynched in due time, but there's a cult to find and there's no guilty read hogging all the game's attention. It's optimal strategy for me as town to take slightly more of a backseat in this situation.

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RB pls talk to me about how or how not WT is a counterwagon to Exp.

What do you mean?

Both WT and Expedience are scumreads for me, they should both die as far as I'm concerned.

Well, I remember you saying over and over how Kuroi was a counterwagon to WT. Ok, maybe he was but Exp was actully the first wagon from the first day so wouldn't WT be an Exp counter as well? I remember asking about it but I don't think you ever responded to me so thats why my vote is currently on you.

This is also the first I remember of you calling Exp scum.

I called Exp scum for like all of Day 1.

Dramonic was telling me he was town and I was skeptical the entire time. With Nahdia dead and her really seeing Exp as scum, I think Dram was wrong and Nahdia was right on Exped.

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Shit I even pushed on both Exped + WT in Day 1 pretty hard, and I kept getting annoyed by people townreading Exped.

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Why weren't you sheeping me on Exp earlier? Are we going with the "WT is a bigger scumread!"?

What do you think of Bacde calling you his biggest scumread but voting me?

Dram was pretty insistent that Exped was terrible town. After he flipped Night 1 I thought, "well okay then".

Then Nahdia flipped Night 2 and she was pretty insistent Exped was terrible scum. Then we had a guilty on LLD and Dram also thought WT was really scum too. I'm sorting the game different as different people flip.

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I don't think you did, so you scum read him? But you think WT is a better lynch?

Can you pls read my ISO then? Srsly.

885
900
916
929
934
1012
1045
1727
1766
1792
1863

Yeah, I never pushed on Expedience at all!

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And if you read further posts you'll still see that even on Day 1 I thought WT was a better lynch then.

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So like, wtf is your case even supposed to be here?

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Oh

Thought we was gonna fite.

Going to bed then since you don't wanna fite.

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This is annoying. Like how the fuck can anyone not read Exp wanting me to full claim for no f'n reason as scum fishing for info.

Lmao it not fishing

Can we Lynch this joker aready

He's town vig...

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I had a mod error with one of my reports as well btw. It's a big-ass game where every single player has a night action, some multiple night actions. It's not that unreasonable and I don't think mod error is a good reason to scumread someone.

Instead we should lynch Wayward Thinker or Expedience so we can win the game.

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rb did you see exped's claim?

I would rather lynch WT there is a chance exped is telling the truth

Didn't see, but it was nice of him to try and get a town champion to full-claim. I'll see what he claimed now.

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He didn't claim anything -_-

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But hey my vote's on WT anyway. I really don't care who dies just make it one of these.

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So I guess this is gonna be another, "we're not lynching Wayward" day. Sigh.

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VOTE: davesaz

Inb4 Individual Undead Risen Slave Human is a new faction for town.

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Yeah okay but I'm pretty sure Dave's lying and the other person I wanted to kill was Wayward Thinker.

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We can kill WT or Dave, both make sense to me.

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Expedience can wait a day I guess.

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Wtf why did WT wagon get popular? This is actually freaking me out. Is it happening?

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is anyone suspicious of almost50?

just feeling this out

Yes.

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VOTE: Wayward Thinker

@Nero I'd happily lynch Expedience but I only have one vote. If I was Vig I would have shot both Exp + WT days ago.

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Can we have more davesaz votes please?

Why human Dave over Wayward?

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@Bacde since I townread you, just gimme a quick breakdown on why Dave is a smart vote when he's claimed human and been checked human? Is it because of cult fears?

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Like I wanted to kill Dave too before the human claim was verified. I agree his actual play is scumm-ish, but if I'm lynching based on scummy play I'd want to go WT before Dave. Would you agree?

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Also Nero is conftown and uncultable. He thinks I'm scum but w/e - who do you want to lynch? Bacde is a bad lynch for reasons already stated, so I'm not doing that. Happy to do any of Dave/WT/Exped I'm happy to do any of.

Also Mason claim is fine and all but do we know if Masons are non-cultable? Nero as townvig is uncultable in this game, Bacde is Undead and there's little chance they're culted in my POV. I'm inclined to trust Bacde/NoRetreat more than anyone else at this point. Toog is a strong townread too, talk to me Toog.

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I thought there was a human scum faction for a few reasons earlier on but yeah I'm really doubting it at this point.

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@Nero I'd happily lynch Expedience but I only have one vote. If I was Vig I would have shot both Exp + WT days ago.

Exactly how hard is it for you to type vote:Exp

Sorry boss.

VOTE: Expedience

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I think so. Day 1 especially, didn't get any better on later days. They were also counter-wagon to a town slot and a lot of scum gave them townreads and/or avoided voting them.

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Nero wants Exp dead, but WT wagon is finally a thing. WHAT DO?

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I'm not even sure why Expedience, but hey.. what do I know?

rb, I recall you were one of those who opted to check nations in your pre-game choices. It would be nice to share your 3 results thus far if you will.

Titus N1 - West Empire
Mathblade N2 - West Empire
DGB N3 - West Empire

Errbody from West Empire it seems.

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I agree the nations seem to not mean much given flips.

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Race is a better indicator. Not ideal but better. I've taken to just pretending that Nation/Location don't mean much. I had the thought of making like a table to track all the flips against nations and locations but I really couldn't be bothered.

If someone else wants to do it that'd be great

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Genius or madness????

Same thing I suppose.

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I'll take your word for it because I'm pretty sure I'm not a genius creative type

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Hey I think I'm pretty cool too!

Anyway is WT dead yet?

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I'm at this point where thinking about this game causes me to scream internally because the last 10 pages have gone in circles. Normally I'd push for more time in a day but I feel like this is at an actual standstill.

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Surprised WT isn't dead yet.

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I like how since Day 1 I wanted a WT and RAM lynch (so I'm obv not Isolationist) - I out Nosferatu (the player) as the most likely Cult Leader (so I'm obv not cult) and I was willing to lynch LLD (Wulden) and people are gonna vote me. Me thinking Mathblade (Wulden) was town was shit and that's fine if people agree with that but we had really good reason to think that race alone wasn't a good indicator of scum. Obviously it's a better indicator than I realised and we CAN to an extent trust it and it'll be more accurate than I thought. From Mastin's wording I really thought it was gonna be a total mixed bag but clearly Nosferatu/Wulden are decent indicators of likely scum.

How fucking coincidental that the "masons" in Rach/Wake want to lynch the person who called out the Cult Leader on Day 3 and that ASOIAF has also been on my case about me being likely "culted" since my call out on Nosferatu visiting her, when it turns out my suspicions were completely legit in the end and I was right that Nosferatu was cult leader.

Maybe ASOIAF isn't cult and she's uncultable, but wtf scum faction do people think I'm supposed to be? Only realistic choice is Wulden because I'm blatantly not Cult/Isolationist. So if you think my play is scummy, make a case because this shit is weak and I'll bet my left nut that either Rach/Wake claims are fake or ASOIAF claims are fake. If they aren't and you're town, pls stop being useless by pressuring my slot which has had more good reads and lynched more scum than any other slot in the game. Ty.

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EBWOP: found more scum. I guess I "technically" haven't lynched them because they've been NK targets but I'm pretty sure that like 80% of the people I've wanted to lynch this game have turned out to be scum. Kthx.

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umm then rb explain why Alexis wants you lynched?

(aka Exped)

Probably because like I've been saying since Day1/2 they're scummy as all fuck?

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Like legit I haven't been able to get that much pull this game (except yesterday where we finally lynched the slot I wanted lynch from like not even halfway through Day1) and I have been in and out of people scumreading me, but feel free to check my scumreads against what's actually flipped and you'll see that apart from Mathblade blunder and thinking that Race =/= faction I've been pretty spot on. And yes I even admit Wulden faction looks possible from my slot, but you're gonna have to still explain why I'm scum and not town in the first place if you wanna make that case because technically, nearly everyone in this game has some kind of 'connection' to one of the scum factions we've seen flipped.

A lot of ppl townread Ceph/RAM/WT - but unless the isolationist faction had like 12 fkn people, there's obviously town players there too. Legit my biggest crime was that I thought Mathblade was town, though admittedly near the end of Day 3 (iirc) she started seeming weird AF to me, and I started pushing her about how she constantly just talks about mechanics all the time and never actually scumhunts like she says she wants everyone else to. I didn't build a full head of steam and there's ongoing games but I know Rach that you know what it means when I build a full head of steam :p

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and ahem I helped lynch LLD after blocking her
I checked RAM and had he not been killed in the night I would have pushed his lynch through

so yeah

I go back to why is my gf pushing YOUR lynch if you are not scumz

PEDIT how could Alexis be a scum role?

Wtf is an Alexis?

Are you talking about Expedience?

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Why is having the name Alexis supposed to make someone town? I'm lost?

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Oh fuck is this lovers? LOL

Lovers can be different alignments in this game, sadly.

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Or...maybe it depends on the mechanics, but flavour indicates that they can be. Which is also partly the reason I've been thinking race =/= alignment.

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@rb:

Actually, nation AND faction, please. If BOTH check with my table, you're off the hook.

Trying to narrow down who to cult at night?

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RachMarie I was already saying that Nosferatu the player was cult leader. What are you not reading in my PM?

Shit, I said he was the most likely cult leader since like Day 3 when I saw ASOIAF weird af play and then saw Nosferatu visited her (via Bacde's watcher)

Also are we gonna actually believe ASOIAF is a champion that just didn't get mentioned in Titus' flip about champion, when we saw ASOIAF get visited by the Cult Leader on N1? Really? Really? Really? Are we really gonna believe that? How much are we gonna believe it? Are you people fucking INSANE?

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Lol PM = post. Fuck I shouldn't post so much at 1am T_T

I didn't PM RachMarie outside game, to make it clear :/

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Like I dunno what you're not understanding about what I said but I clearly thought Nosferatu the player was the cult leader and his flip surprises me like not even one little bit and I have never once said or even implied that I think the Nosferatu faction or Race is cult.

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Nah I'm up for the night :^)

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T_T i cri everytim.

But really Song was visited by Nosferatu and I'm already reading her as cult from the changes in her play from Day 1 to 2, which was the exact thing that made me think Nos was Cult Leader when I saw he visited her. Then she starts suddenly saying she's uncultable - yeah because who WOULDN'T say that in this game when there's a flip that claims uncultable, then she goes on further to claim champion (but not one of the other 2 champions that exist, it's a 4th very special champion apparently) but again, that's just from a flip already seen and easy as fuck to claim.

There's like a fakeclaim on top of a fakeclaim and the CULT FUCKING LEADER VISITED THIS SLOT.

ASOIAF needs to die. End of story.

VOTE: ASOIAF

Sheep me like everyone should have sheeped me on Day1 when Wayward Thinker was supposed to die and not Town Doctor Kuroi. Thx.

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Why are we all claiming for A50 again? Can someone explain to me why we would claim to A50?

Has anyone alive checked him? What's the bet his PGO claim is bullshit :^)

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And before anyone says anything yes I'm too scared to check myself. Fak u.

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Also I really think if ASOIAF is a different champion they're probably not town and maybe 3rd party or some shit but I think it's most likely cult based off Nosferatu visit, plus claiming uncultable before cult leader even flips (paranoid much?) and the champion claim looking fake. There's literally not a single thing that suggests we should believe ASOIAF wasn't culted.

Pls lynch with nuclear warhead.

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you do realize even if you are right rb, that song did not kill anyone last night?


A50
yeah basically Nicholas is a kinda wimpy hero but his heart is in the right place

and he loves humans and wants to protect them from evil, hes just not very good at it

Before I saved Wakes life he checked A 50 and came up with northern

So A50 isn't PGO then as I suspected, since Wake is alive? Wake is alive right?

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Yeah he's alive so A50 is fake PGO claim since if he checkced A50 prior to you saving him then he's obv not PGO, so what's the bet he's 3rd party/Wulden?

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Can we lynch and/or vigilante all the fake-claiming and lying slots from this game now? Thx.

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From what you're saying Rach I might be wrong about Expedience. I guess it's possible, I'm wrong sometimes.

(I know, I barely believe what I just said either)

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I believe you then Rach because every non-human faction has a 1-shot recruit as per Mastin's mechanics post. So that doesn't sound culty it's fine. You and Wake can be town. I've been townreading Wake since his pants on head NATION=FACTION thing but was suspicious af just now until you explained it. It makes sense now.

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I don't even understand wake's thought process like 69% of the time but his conclusions (generally) make sense...eventually :p

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That's so pants on head retarded...

We should lynch me over the lying PGO claim or the 'special 4th uncultable champion not mentioned but that actually does exist i swear on my life and when the Cult Leader visited me I wasn't really culted' ASOIAF slot because..............fuck intelligence I guess?

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Oh okay, so because Town can win even when dead we should lynch town - good logic A50. You're a true superstar.

*gives A50 a gold star*

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That's an ironic gold star btw, don't go thinking you actually got a gold star for being deserving of a gold star.

*takes away gold star*
*gives A50 a charcoal star*

Surprised your PGO dooesn't have an ability where it kills people who give you a gold star.

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Coffee at 1am is just the best, I can shitpost all night.

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Is this like one of those spambots that send you e-mails telling you that your computer is infected with 277 deadly viruses and if you don't follow their commands your entire family is going to perish? Because scammers should totally hire you because you've got this routine down pat.

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Yes ASOIAF you're a special unmentioned uncultable champion. We should believe this because......fuck reasons I guess?

I suspected you'd been culted based on your play, then Bacde said she saw Nosferatu visiting you N1. 1+1 = Nosferatu is Cult Leader and you got culted.

Ezpz.

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A50 why am I going to claim again?

Do me a favour, why don't you guess what I am

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Also ROFL @ Bacde being confirmed scum. Holy shit this just gets dumber, I'm losing IQ just reading this.

Lynch the obvious fakeclaims pls. Ty.

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I am mentioned.

It said there are might be other champions. what about my play was suspicious?

as i said I understand the situation I'm in. Bacde is very likly telling the truth about him visiting me but I can't be culted thats all I can tell in my defense.

Your sudden 180 is really really interesting here.

"sudden 180?"

Can I have whatever you're smoking please?

Back on like Day 3 (I think) I said I thought you were culted and Nosferatu was the cult leader and you then claimed UNCULTABLE. No one really gave a shit because everyone was sure the LLD race result was as good as a guilty. Turns out it was.

Nos has now flipped Cult Leader just like I suspected whicch means my theory looks VERY likely. This isn't even remotely a "sudden 180" this is actually just my theory turning out to be correct.

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Also if you're not culted, I find it really weird that when I pointed out that when Nosferatu visited Cephrir - he outed Cephrir INSTANTLY. Ceph was mafia, so not cultable obviously.

When he visited you - he didn't out you. Why? Why does he not out one uncultable person but not the other? Oh right, because one of you wasn't actually uncultable. DERP.

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Yes I'm cult and I fucking outed the cult leader.

WOW.

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Also I'm pretty sure I already explained how I figured Nos was cult, which is that I thought you were culted and then I saw he visited you Night 1 - ergo he's the one who culted you. That's really not hard to explain.

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This game's so huge but I know there were people who defended Nos when I called him out as most likely Cult Leader in this game and I wanna know who they are. Someone else do it I'm too busy 'AtE'ing.

Also ASOIAF I think you of all people should know how good I am at finding scum and that this is not AtE at all. Ongoing games and rah-rah but omg ASOIAF is like 1000000000% scum right now.

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Plus Nos was playing scummy af in general so there's that too :^)

I just figured he's very likely cult leader because you seemed culted and again, there's no 180 whatsoever because like I said, everyone was just treating LLD like it was a cop guilty so I cbf'd arguing over why to lynch my strong scumread over a cop guilty. I know I'm capable but I don't think I'm better than a cop guilty or that I can convince someone else who has what they think is a guilty to vote my scumreads instead.

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Ciphrer's Tracker is the equivalent of Bacde's WATCHER, my friend. I promise you Bacde IS the Wulden spy in the Undead PT. Of course, they maybe Undead by race, but Bacde IS a member of the Wulden Faction.

So you're wanting to lynch me over the confirmed Wulden because.....................

Fuck it, have another gold star.

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Like A50 we disagree about Bacde being confirmed Wulden but if you actually believe it why is it that you never actually seem to vote with what you keep saying is a "confirmed Wulden" and instead just vote someone who's pointing out the obvious fact that your PGO claim is false, and has every single reason to be highly suspicious of a false PGO claim? Can you tell me why I shouldn't be suspicious of you when your PGO claim is false and why you want to lynch the person with REALLY GOOD REASONS FOR WANTING TO LYNCH YOU as opposed to what you see as "Confirmed Wulden"?

Could it be that you actually don't give a shit who dies as long as it's not your faction and/or you're 3rd party because your PGO claim is proven to be 100% false?

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I see and we're doing what a fake PGO-claimer says to do because we've just put on a tin-foil hat and you not only have my faction, but you can deduce my specific role too!

But wait, if you can do this without me ever claiming my Nation/Location, how come you asked for Nation/Location?

Oh right because you're full of shit and just fabricating reasons to lynch people but trying to make it look like those reasons aren't crap.

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Wake: A50 thinks Bacde is the "confirmed Wulden Spy"

Feel free to read his ISO to find out why. Tell us what you think.

Also A50's PGO claim has been proven to be false. ASOIAF was visited by the Cult Leader who flipped N1 and is claiming to be uncultable.

You figure out the rest.

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Also rofl, A50 is trying to get people to full-claim and his PGO claim was fake. HOW. FUCKING. OBVIOUS. CAN. THIS. GET.

Can we lynch A50/Song and Vig the other?

Song is confirmed not-human, so human champion kill will resolve on her as well. Oh and A50, how come you've abandoned your "kill all non-humans!" shtick from earlier in the game? Hmm? Because Song is now proven non-human and you're still town-reading her. You never did explain why you adopted that shtick in the first place, nor why you've suddenly abandoned it.

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I just checked my role pm again and compared it with a flip ... I will give out the race result of Other (Hybrid of Undead + Vampire)

Its the exact wording in my role pm ...

If that means I am counted as "Other" I guess I'm the racial miller of this game. There were two godfather flipps and so many people are claiming race chekers... That explains the balance .

There are vigs in this game. If your sure I'm culted at least vig me. Lynching me today is completly idiotic and might loose the fucking game...

@Tim I can't Iso in my phone - it can't load all the posts ... he said he thinks I'm town after I pushed the idea he might be culted. I think he was trying to frame me sinsce the moment he started the idea Nos was cult leader and I got culted from a single no detailed watcher result out of nowhere.

Vote A50 then and we can vig you at night to be safe, whatever.

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If there's a Faction checker, check A50.

I believe A50's 1-Shot PGO claim. What else explains all those deaths that one Night? If his PGO affected checker abilities it makes a hell of a lot of sense.

Is LLD still alive? Didn't she claim Wulden?

3 confirmed human champions (1 dead), another champion implied, 2 scum factions.

Human champion kills resolve on any non-humans they target. Look how many non-humans died. There was 2 strongman alive. That's 5 NK's with no PGO needed. He also didn't claim 1-shot PGO iirc.

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Guys ASOIAF also gives the same Race Result as the Cult Leader (Other) but they aren't Cult, I swear!

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ASOIAF:

- you were visited by the Cult Leader
- you give the same race result as the Cult Leader
- you claimed uncultable when I said Nos could have culted you, before he'd even flipped Cult Leader - why so paranoid?
- you're claiming to be the 'other' champion
- you're claiming to be a miller

You are literally the cultiest player in the history of Gistou. The Cult Leader is less cult than you are.

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Vote A50 then and we can vig you at night to be safe, whatever.

whats your case against him? beleiveing my claim?

Your just fucking culted as I suspected yesterday. your whole I'm so good at this show today is fake ate. your nos is cult and she is culted out of nowhere made no sense day 2.

how on fucking earth you deduced that out of a watcher result and don't tell I was scummy cuase you did absoloutly no shit to pressure me there ...

Pretty sure we've been over this about 15 times so I'm just gonna bullet point stuff until you get it.

- we had guilties on two successive days, there was no way I was going to overpower those to get Nosferatu or you lynched
- I called out the Cult Leader on Day 2, but apparently you think I'm cult. Yeah, k
- I am pressuring you right now because my biggest scumread from Day 1 (Wayward) is now dead, and the town has no guilty results on anyone
- Until Nosferatu actually flipped, I couldn't be super sure about my theory. Now that he's flipped, I'm very sure of my theory

Also I don't know how you can say that my 'nos is cult and she is culted' theory made no sense, when it turns out Nos was Cult Leader and he visited you Night 1? That's actually perfect sense

[rb]

If there's a Faction checker, check A50.

I believe A50's 1-Shot PGO claim. What else explains all those deaths that one Night? If his PGO affected checker abilities it makes a hell of a lot of sense.

Is LLD still alive? Didn't she claim Wulden?

3 confirmed human champions (1 dead), another champion implied, 2 scum factions.

Human champion kills resolve on any non-humans they target. Look how many non-humans died. There was 2 strongman alive. That's 5 NK's with no PGO needed. He also didn't claim 1-shot PGO iirc.

I just LOVE how cornered scum sink themselves deeper and deeper. We had the 5 kills on N2. Titus was killed on N1. Unless you believe her GHOST was roaming the lands and killed someone on N2, I don't think you're making any sense at all!

...

Read Titus flip.

There's 2 human champions, and there might be 'other' champions. That's 3 champions.

There's also 2 scum factions.

3 + 2 = 5.

"I just LOVE how cornered scum sink themselves deeper and deeper."

- Delicious Ironing

[rb]

HUMANITY'S CHAMPION:

Rivalry knowledge:

You know that there are two other human champions: Panther Timon of the Eastern Kingdom, and Adrian Burkhard, of the Northern Tribes.

There may be other champions in existence as well

, however, if so, they would differ from the three human champions' symbiotic relationship.

I believe this is the part of Titus flip that requires reading.

Now go sink deep for me A50. Sink as deep as you can.

[rb]

Guys ASOIAF also gives the same Race Result as the Cult Leader (Other) but they aren't Cult, I swear!

Cult starts with ONE person: The Leader. Being non-Human (and especially giving "other" for race) proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about them being culted. It only tells us they cannot/could not have been recruited by any other scum faction.

Oh okay, so lets get this straight.

- Cult Leader's nation is 'Other'
- Cult Leader visits ASOIAF
- ASOIAF's nation is 'Other'

We're supposed to believe ASOIAF is not cult because...

What's the best that ASOIAF and A50 are chainsaw defending each other right now?

[rb]

EBWOP: bet*

[rb]

Look I believe that a Miller exists in this game, I believe it's not you.

[rb]

There's 2 human champions, and there might be 'other' champions. That's 3 champions.

OK.. so.. based on the quoted.. how does ASoIaF claiming 'other' champion make them scum again??

Because it's very easy to claim such a thing based on a flip: also you guys are trying VERY hard to end this day quickly with my lynch, before the rest of the players in the game have caught up and had a chance to counter-claim. Two people here who also happen to be the most conftown people in this game, can attest to the fact that scum do this exact thing.

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It's so very cute that when I picked the Cult Leader that a few specific people kept wanting me lynched for reasons that made like zero fucking sense at all. Now it all makes sense.

I <3 you guys.

ASOIAF if you really are champion, understand that there's very good reasons for me to think you're cult and pls try not to OMGUS me here even if you think I'm distorting facts. There's very good reasons to think A50 is scum and you should lynch him with me.

[rb]

Look I believe that a Miller exists in this game, I believe it's not you.

have we had another miller claim?

Not necessarily.

I'd say it's fairly farfetched to think that a player who was visited by the Cult Leader also gives the same Race result as the Cult Leader and who was also visited by the Cult Leader is not actually cult, wouldn't you think?

[rb]

Wow I didn't redundancy-check that post :/

[rb]

If West Empire champion trained you why are you mentioned exactly zero times in Titus flip? Yawn.

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@rb I understand there is a legitable pov about thinking I'm cult or I'm a scum champion

I can't beleive someone thinks both at the same time.

I can't beleive you deduced nos is cult leader based on a watcher claim

and i think you were trying to apease to me yesterday.

Your scum and you must die.

Scum just refers to anything not-town.

And wtf are you smoking? I've said multiple times I think your claim is fake and again, you're trying super hard to get this lynch before a chance at a counter-claim comes through. What are you so worried about if you're telling the truth? Just vote A50 with me, he's scum.

[rb]

I deduced Nos is Cult Leader based on the fact his play was shady as fuck, your play pinged me as changing from day to day and also he visited you and SAID NOTHING but when he visited Cephrir who turned out to be scum, he outed Ceph instantly - because Ceph was obviously not cultable and so he outed him for it ASAP and called it a 'guilty read' or whatever. But he visited you and said nothing - why did he out 1 uncultable player that he visited but not the other uncultable player?

I actually asked this on Day 2 as well when I first aired suspicion Nosferatu might be Cult Leader so don't gimme this "sudden 180" BS again. You're not reading what I'm actually writing, you're just throwing shade as if I'm AtE'ing here when actually I'm asking very relevant questions and piecing together a chain of actions to find scum/cult. Vote A50 with me while we wait for a counter-claim on you. Done. If there's no CC, I'll believe you're champion.

[rb]

VOTE: A50

[rb]

Okay, I choose to believe Almost

VOTE: rb

-Y

Yeah, A50 asks for us all to full-claim and when I don't he says I'm scum redirector and his PGO claim is proven false because someone did visit him and is still alive

Let's believe the fake-claiming PGO and the moon logic theory that I'm scum redirector. Wee!

[rb]

Anyway my Flavour name is Tatiana Ruffins. Maybe that helps someone.

[rb]

Because this is pants on head spasticated right now.

I'm scum for thinking the person who fucking fake-claimed PGO is scum. Amazing.

[rb]

Uh yeah lynch-proof and kill-proof sounds really townlike

So if you were always going to say "fakeclaim!" why did you even ask for a full-claim in the first place?

????

Oh right, because it never made a fkn difference you were always just going to call me the 'scum redirector' lmfao.

[rb]

I'm scum for thinking the person who fucking fake-claimed PGO is scum. Amazing.

No. I am telling you you're wrong.

Your perseverance on this is the problem.

You said yourself it was the 5 kills that made you believe it.

It's proven there can be 5 kills without PGO.

Please don't do the whole Nation = Faction thing with me again.

[rb]

Look I believe that a Miller exists in this game, I believe it's not you.

have we had another miller claim?

Not necessarily.

I'd say it's fairly farfetched to think that a player who was visited by the Cult Leader also gives the same Race result as the Cult Leader and who was also visited by the Cult Leader is not actually cult, wouldn't you think?

Why do you believe theres a miller if its day 5 and we havent seen one claim?

Have you fkn seen some of the flips in this game dude?

[rb]

Tatiana Ruffins

Scum are given fake claims upon request. You have let your chance slip, my friend. I've been trying to reason with you since the thread got unlocked, but your refusal to cooperate and trying to mislead the town is too much for me to take.

BTW, just a friendly advise: You can neither lynch nor kill me today, and that is a FACT!

Can you please explain why you asked for full-claims if you were just gonna say I'm fake-claiming again?

[rb]

And why should I full-claim again? What actual fucking purpose does it serve to full-claim?

[rb]

Oh right, you've got some rly cool scum-finding theory and anyone who doesn't co-operate must be scum ofc!!!!

[rb]

Oh hey that makes sense dude, except you just said yourself that you're well aware that everyone who needs one has a fakeclaim...meaning no one can actually figure out anything from this shit and the only people who benefit are people who want to recruit/target specific players AKA scum/3rd party. Fucking derp.

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Like holy fucking shit I'm actually so done.

You want people to full-claim, but you're gonna sit there and acknowledge that all the scum have fake-claims. But still, everyone should full-claim cos it'll help you solve the game. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.

[rb]

I'm scum for thinking the person who fucking fake-claimed PGO is scum. Amazing.

No. I am telling you you're wrong.

Your perseverance on this is the problem.

You said yourself it was the 5 kills that made you believe it.

It's proven there can be 5 kills without PGO.

Please don't do the whole Nation = Faction thing with me again.

Consider how many people were alive at the time just before all those people died.

Everyone including me has a checker ability. If the 1-Shit PGO ability includes those checker abilities, that would explain all those deaths if multiple non-Northern people targeted A50.

I'm not saying it's not possible those deaths could have come from elsewhere.

What I'm saying is how the hell are you Scumreading A50 when his claim makes perfect sense given the context?

I'm still trying to Townread you but you're not making it easy, especially with that dumb quip at the end.

Just...wow.

So first you believe A50 because you think it's impossible for there to have been 5 deaths.

Now that it's proven to be possible to have 5 deaths, you still wanna believe A50 because the 'context' makes sense.

Sigh.

[rb]

Can't w8 for A50 to flip 3rd party/scum at end of the game.

[rb]

Anyway in case it's not fkn obvious why I haven't wanted to full-claim, it's because cult being dead doesn't mean other non-human factions can't recruit you if you're human and we don't know who has or hasn't used those recruits. But yeh every1 just go along with the person trying to get full-claims out of people, because that's really townlike.

Tatiana Ruffins

Nation: Other
Location: Erimos
Faction: Individual Humans
Race: Human

[rb]

So fucking stupid. This game has a lot of mechanics but it's really NOT that fucking difficult to understand why ppl don't wanna full-claim constantly in this setup with all the recruit mechanics and race shenanigans going on, plus the fact everyone who needs a fake-claim, HAS a fake-claim so it's basically pointless as you don't learn anything from mass-claiming, it just tells cult/scum who to target for their recruits. Town can only learn from ACTUAL checks.

ZZZZZ