Gistou (Over!)

[Wayward Thinker]

/confirm

[Wayward Thinker]

I'm a non-human aligned with humans and I hate all non-humans

Figure that one out

Where do you hail from?

[Wayward Thinker]

My role is very basic so I don't know the important of location/nation

I also realize the above is nation not location derp

Great Ridge

This is easily verifiable, which is why I ask.

[Wayward Thinker]

My role is very basic so I don't know the important of location/nation

Why would you claim it then?

*shrug*

why not, the worst that happens is I die, best is that someone whose ability only works on my location/nation knows a for sure target

Why would it be good for someone to know you are a target for them? What makes you think Scum don't have an ability to do to/at you? You are aware there is some kind of cult in this game right?

[Wayward Thinker]

My role is very basic so I don't know the important of location/nation

Why would you claim it then?

*shrug*

why not, the worst that happens is I die, best is that someone whose ability only works on my location/nation knows a for sure target

Why would it be good for someone to know you are a target for them? What makes you think Scum don't have an ability to do to/at you? You are aware there is some kind of cult in this game right?

then I guess I need to be lynched early o well

I literally have no idea about anything but I like to play dangerous

Dis be WIFOM.

[Wayward Thinker]

how

by you saying we should lynch you.

[Wayward Thinker]

Not sure what to make of BB. They did say they weren't human. IIRC, there was something about humans being vulnerable or something like that, but don't know what this means.

[Wayward Thinker]

Each faction, if possessing a non-human race, has a one-shot ability to recruit a human to their faction. Emphasis "human". This ability will fail if more than one faction attempts this on the same target. This ability does not work on all humans. Regardless of success or failure, this ability is used up once activated. (The recruiter will be informed if they fail, but not the reason why.) In short, only the unluckiest of humans will get culled. It can happen, though, so be cautious!

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of.

As for you claiming Town, I have seen you do that as Scum and basically just repeat that over and over until people believe it, so its presumably Null.

[Wayward Thinker]

I'm a non-human aligned with humans and I hate all non-humans

Figure that one out

thanks for scum claiming.

Why is this a Scum claim?

[Wayward Thinker]

You guys are going to give me a twitch reading the posts with percentages in them.

Salt(Bee), I think that this game is not quite as simple as town tells and not town tells because of the multiball angle. The rules seem to suggest that it is not so black and white.

i'm envious that so many of you can judge the Fire head of that hydra. I tend to be able to read frozen better because Frozen is straightforward in her thinking and drives what she believes in.

~Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

HI SUZUNE!!!!

I am sorry you can't read me so well.

Hi there Fire!

I will get get better at it. Sometimes when I enjoy who I am playing with, I have trouble scum reading them. I just need to be more logical less emotional some times.

~Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

Quick question... my PM is in a quote, quoted by someone's name I don't recognize, is this just mine? And should I say the name to see if anyone else recognizes it?

Mine is the same way?

~Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

I'm at the bottom of page 8.

Trying to catch up. Did not expect this many posts.

~LQ

[Wayward Thinker]

OK, so here is what I have for reads:

Town:

Dav - for being so proactive so early/pointing things out that he doesn't need to
No Retreat - Just seems like Town motive
Expedience - I don't think they do what they are doing as Scum

My one Scum read is:

Nosferatu - doesn't seem to be actually solving the game, but pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter much.

[Wayward Thinker]

OK, so here is what I have for reads:

Town:

Dav - for being so proactive so early/pointing things out that he doesn't need to
No Retreat - Just seems like Town motive
Expedience - I don't think they do what they are doing as Scum

My one Scum read is:

Nosferatu - doesn't seem to be actually solving the game, but pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter much.

~LQ

[Wayward Thinker]

@Titus,

Am I Town?

~LQ

[Wayward Thinker]

Don't see the difference between Nos and Dav, to be honest. In fact, I think the exact opposite. I like Nos' questions and think Dav is just looking to do stuff.

~ Bins

There is a difference I am seeing though which I will attempt to explain.

@LQ, Not sure. Too early to tell. If you stay active, I should have an opinion within a few IRL days. This cold is slowing down my usual processes.

Not sure how I feel about that. Pretty much every other game I have asked this you have been able to tell immediately. Even when you were Scum and you said I was Scum you made the decision pretty damn quick.

Not a fan of the Nos scumread though. If anything Nos is more active than normal.

@RAM, Is Drixx ok?

I don't have any meta on Nos at all, but here is the diff between Nos a dav (who I do have some meta on).

I just see Nos as trying push things, which is unlike dav where it looks like he is just trying to keep as factual as possible. I like dave as Town here because I read his pointing out the truth of the matter as him trying to solve the game either directly or indirectly. Nos just seems like they are trying to push their opinion more which is what I am seeing as the difference.


Anyways, I have not gone over these reads with Suzune so they very well could change once I talk to here about them, which I will be doing, hopefully, shortly.

[Wayward Thinker]

74 quoted 72 in which Frozen showed some emotion.
273 talks about emotion.
Seems pretty straightforward to me. I don't understand why it's a big deal...
Even 263 still fits in, if nothing changed in "the feels" in those ~190 posts since 74.

Now whether that little bit is worth a town read, is a completely different matter. I certainly wouldn't call someone town that easily... but I'm not liking the Cane+Able approach of casting it as a retroactive explanation.

Fucking... you too?

My entire POINT was that I thought she should have USED 74 IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE, you illiterate clown.

I'm just wondering: you are aware that

you

are the person who fucked up here, right?

@Titus: why are you still pushing your view that he lied when he admitted his mistake all the way back in 397?

You guys are both so weird.

I don't like Titus's 444. It seems intentionally antagonistic when it's plain to see the mistake house made in 442, not even mentioning the main argument, which he resolved on his part ages ago and reiterated several times. Seems like she's trying to lean on him to make him crack.

OK so this is basically the post I was looking at considering the Scum read on Nos. I still get a Scummy vibe from it, but its not as bad as I originally thought looking through their ISO.

[Wayward Thinker]

Good evening everyone. LicketyQuickety, could you please point out what really does matter thus far?

I'm not sure I understand. In relation to what exactly?

[Wayward Thinker]

Good evening everyone. LicketyQuickety, could you please point out what really does matter thus far?

I'm not sure I understand. In relation to what exactly?

With respect, you mentioned that Nosferatu doesn't seem to be actually solving the game, but pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter much.

I am reconsidering my read on them as I kinda said.

[Wayward Thinker]

Good evening everyone. LicketyQuickety, could you please point out what really does matter thus far?

I'm not sure I understand. In relation to what exactly?

With respect, you mentioned that Nosferatu doesn't seem to be actually solving the game, but pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter much.

I am reconsidering my read on them as I kinda said.

Does this mean you now think he's pointing out stuff that matters?

Unsure. I think it will be more telling with a few flips.

[Wayward Thinker]

Good evening everyone. LicketyQuickety, could you please point out what really does matter thus far?

I'm not sure I understand. In relation to what exactly?

With respect, you mentioned that Nosferatu doesn't seem to be actually solving the game, but pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter much.

I am reconsidering my read on them as I kinda said.

Does this mean you now think he's pointing out stuff that matters?

Unsure. I think it will be more telling with a few flips.

What I'm wanting to understand is how he's supposed to be pointing out stuff that really matters when it's not even Day 1 yet.

I primarily just care about getting reads at this point and am talking about them with Suz right now.

[Wayward Thinker]

Good evening everyone. LicketyQuickety, could you please point out what really does matter thus far?

I'm not sure I understand. In relation to what exactly?

With respect, you mentioned that Nosferatu doesn't seem to be actually solving the game, but pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter much.

I am reconsidering my read on them as I kinda said.

Does this mean you now think he's pointing out stuff that matters?

Unsure. I think it will be more telling with a few flips.

What I'm wanting to understand is how he's supposed to be pointing out stuff that really matters when it's not even Day 1 yet.

I primarily just care about getting reads at this point and am talking about them with Suz right now.

You made it sound like Nosferatu was only pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter, so I'm asking you for examples of things that really do matter.

My point wasn't that they were pointing out things that don't matter, but that they were pushing things so early.

[Wayward Thinker]

OK, so here is what I have for reads:

Town:

Dav - for being so proactive so early/pointing things out that he doesn't need to
No Retreat - Just seems like Town motive
Expedience - I don't think they do what they are doing as Scum

My one Scum read is:

Nosferatu - doesn't seem to be actually solving the game, but pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter much.

Even though I agree with three of these reads prima facia, I don't like anything about how you're expressing them. They're wimpy.

Something you should know about me: my reasons for my reads don't mean much, what matters are my reads. you played a game with me and saw my case on MonkeyMan in that StrangeCoug game so I expect you to relook at that if you have further doubts about my reasons.

[Wayward Thinker]

VOTE: Nosferatu

Naked vote. Explain please.

[Wayward Thinker]

What is with all these naked votes?

[Wayward Thinker]

We think we will go with a vote on rb for now.
VOTE: RB

This vote is placed for a twofold reason. The first is the constant on the percentages. Planning ahead and running the numbers pings me as scummy
The second is the general sheeping of opinions.

~Suz

p-edit, goodness gracious everyone is posting so fast.

[Wayward Thinker]

Something you should know about me: my reasons for my reads don't mean much, what matters are my reads. you played a game with me and saw my case on MonkeyMan in that StrangeCoug game so I expect you to relook at that if you have further doubts about my reasons.

i don't know if this is gonna work for me, but i do remember that you're a moonlogicker

Why does everyone keep saying this? I don't even know what specifically moon logic is O.O

~LQ

[Wayward Thinker]

We think we will go with a vote on rb for now.
VOTE: RB

This vote is placed for a twofold reason. The first is the constant on the percentages. Planning ahead and running the numbers pings me as scummy
The second is the general sheeping of opinions.

~Suz

p-edit, goodness gracious everyone is posting so fast.

This is terrible, percentages aren't AI

Not terrible. I have more meta on rb than everyone in this game combined.

rb doing the silly percentages is not what I know of his play as either alignment so pressuring that slot is what we are aiming for. I don't have a ton of meta on him within a game context, but I do know it is unlike him to do this.

~LQ

[Wayward Thinker]

Something you should know about me: my reasons for my reads don't mean much, what matters are my reads. you played a game with me and saw my case on MonkeyMan in that StrangeCoug game so I expect you to relook at that if you have further doubts about my reasons.

i don't know if this is gonna work for me, but i do remember that you're a moonlogicker

Why does everyone keep saying this? I don't even know what specifically moon logic is O.O

~LQ

you think in ways that just don't make sense to me

If that is all moon logic is, then yes, I am actually a terrible offender of moon logic by many people.

[Wayward Thinker]

VOTE: Cane and Able

The Nos votes suck, their vote sucks. The heartless vote is rather meh. Anti's probably town though. I've been scum with him and I cannot seem him efforting this hard as scum.

that's efforting? i dont have a strong read on them yet and i don't have a clue why you do

Meh is less than sucks. I do have reservations of what Heartless has posted. I also do think this is harder than Anti would try as scum, so that's my tiebreaker.

@LQ, How can you play with me this much and not know what moon logic is?

I never quite understood exactly what it was and still don't.

[Wayward Thinker]

I direct you to JokeExplainWarthog's post 640.

A change in behnviour not usually displayed can suggest a difference in pressure game wise. So it is worth looking at and seeing if there is anything there. Curious in the social dynamic so to speak.

~Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

We think we will go with a vote on rb for now.
VOTE: RB

This vote is placed for a twofold reason. The first is the constant on the percentages. Planning ahead and running the numbers pings me as scummy
The second is the general sheeping of opinions.

~Suz

p-edit, goodness gracious everyone is posting so fast.

This is terrible, percentages aren't AI

Not terrible. I have more meta on rb than everyone in this game combined.

rb doing the silly percentages is not what I know of his play as either alignment so pressuring that slot is what we are aiming for. I don't have a ton of meta on him within a game context, but I do know it is unlike him to do this.

~LQ

this post is all sorts of

Spoiler:

I agree, it IS a huge pile of crap.

No, its not. I know rb from off site where I have been a member there since jan 2013. I introduced mafia to that site. rb played in two of the games I have hosted. Once as Town once as Scum.

[Wayward Thinker]

@LQ, How can you play with me this much and not know what moon logic is?

I never quite understood exactly what it was and still don't.

@Wayward Thinker - Lickety, you've played with Titus and with me. You know how we think outside the box, but we do it kinda like we're trippin' balls on peyote while reading too many Agatha Christie novels? That's moonlogic.

Is it an exclusive club? cuz i feel I fit right in there with you guys.

[Wayward Thinker]

I like the extras section of the vote count, wtg Mastin.
@Klingon: While i appreciate voting my scumread, can you comment on everything else?

I'm not sheeping you.

That's

my

Scumread I'm voting.

I think Titus and the House heads are Town.

I think Lickety's Scum.

The game's too big with too many mechanics for me to comment on everything this freakin' early. Wednesday of next week is far more likely.

What's your reason for why I am Scum?

[Wayward Thinker]

What's your reason for why I am Scum?

Town Lickety is cocky & goofy.

Scum Lickety is quieter and appease-y.

I am not always like that as either alignment. I am prepared to link games.

If by cocky and goofy do you mean me posting things like this:



cuz that's about the way I feel about you Scum reading me.

[Wayward Thinker]

What's your reason for why I am Scum?

Town Lickety is cocky & goofy.

Scum Lickety is quieter and appease-y.

Ehhhhhhhhh.....this is probably true, but can we not do meta reads

My meta reads are great.

A lot of people can't do meta reads.

Please don't try to stifle those of us that can.

Please post links where your meta reads have been "great."

[Wayward Thinker]

Townreads: Cephrir, Nosferatu, BBmolla
Scumreads: Luna Fox, rb, Titus, davesaz, RAM

(unordered)

So you have 3 Town reads and 5 Scum reads? This is just weird all over.

[Wayward Thinker]

I can't wait to be able to vote people ^__^

~Bee

who you wanna vote?

lets talk about our reads.

~Ice

Town
Cephir - Town posting and paranoia of town reads that are on him (classic mutliball town tell)
BBmolla - Scum doesn't randomly distribute potentially incriminating information in the first few posts of the game when they don't know if the will get town read.
Luna - Gut, I don't think Luna would be this active as scum because she isn't confident in herself as a player.
Fire and Ice - Fire is legit scum hunting using pretty good reasoning which isn't something I expect from a scum!firebringer.
Tim - Has good reads so gut.


Scum
Wayward Thinkers - Random information fishing early on to try and look useful was pretty sketchy and I don't think anything that was asked will lead to anything.
Expedience - Has lots of big posts but hasn't left any sort of impact on me which gives me horrible gut feelings.



Wayward Thinkers right now since Expedience is just gut.

Who do you want to vote and do you have questions about my thoughts on other players?


~Bee

OK, here you say we are Scum and say you have reasons but don't say what those reasons are.

Except it's Nos who usually lurks his ass off

if he usually does it, why is it alignment indicative this time?

Last time he was like this he was town in soccer spirits

LQ where is your rb meta from?

-sc

I won't say. rb can either confirm or deny, but if he denies I'm never taking my vote off of them.

Probs to represent that all the votes are from scum aligned players.

~Bee

Seriously? Seriously? This has to be one of the worst analysis I have ever seen.

[Wayward Thinker]

VCA

oh good i need to add to my wall of self-quotes about vca being shit

Titus is actually very good with VCA - if she's Town.

As Scum, her analysis is a load of wank.

This is an empty statement. What do you think she is now given her likely connection to Expedience I outlined? (Or rather Expedience's possible connection to her?)

I admit I'm cutting her some slack due to her illness. Plus you and I

always

scumread her, so I'm cutting some slack there, too.

Anyway, an Expedience flip would tell us some things, no?

I am cutting Titus specifically slack as there are possibilities in which Expedience is just a sheeping scum. What I am more concerned with is why Titus was avoiding commentary on the main wagon, Song's now push on you for your House/C+A read, and why people aren't looking at connected dots to try to see further into the game than meta. There are more than 20 pages. If you don't have something more than "meta" or "gut" my bullshit detector is going off. This is why I want to see Titus's response to how when I vote expedience I am somehow confirming them as town.

Just because you cut someone slack doesn't mean you don't ask questions and that you don't poke around and demonstrate crazy shit you see. It seems like right now those three have a hard on for a House/c+a scumread/lynch. If anything it means you do to see if you are crazy or not. And if I am crazy then someone will point out where it is crazy and not just "give Titus some slack".

OR...

It's after 2am my time, I've been running on 4 hours' sleep the past few nights, I'm in several other large themes, and this one JUST started.

I'm really not emotionally involved with it right now. By the middle of next week I should care more.

Damned unlikely that there will be a lynch before then.

Well, I Have said you are Scum before for using AtE just like this. I'm starting to think I need to move my vote. Would do it in a heartbeat if I wasn't hydraing with Suz.

[Wayward Thinker]

Are you serious?

VOTE: Titus

Expedience, no. Bad Expedience.
That is a town titus post.

~Dragon Bringer

I can't wait to be able to vote people ^__^

~Bee

who you wanna vote?

lets talk about our reads.

~Ice

Town
Cephir - Town posting and paranoia of town reads that are on him (classic mutliball town tell)
BBmolla - Scum doesn't randomly distribute potentially incriminating information in the first few posts of the game when they don't know if the will get town read.
Luna - Gut, I don't think Luna would be this active as scum because she isn't confident in herself as a player.
Fire and Ice - Fire is legit scum hunting using pretty good reasoning which isn't something I expect from a scum!firebringer.
Tim - Has good reads so gut.


Scum
Wayward Thinkers - Random information fishing early on to try and look useful was pretty sketchy and I don't think anything that was asked will lead to anything.
Expedience - Has lots of big posts but hasn't left any sort of impact on me which gives me horrible gut feelings.



Wayward Thinkers right now since Expedience is just gut.

Who do you want to vote and do you have questions about my thoughts on other players?


~Bee

OK, here you say we are Scum and say you have reasons but don't say what those reasons are.

Except it's Nos who usually lurks his ass off

if he usually does it, why is it alignment indicative this time?

Last time he was like this he was town in soccer spirits

LQ where is your rb meta from?

-sc

I won't say. rb can either confirm or deny, but if he denies I'm never taking my vote off of them.

Probs to represent that all the votes are from scum aligned players.

~Bee

Seriously? Seriously? This has to be one of the worst analysis I have ever seen.

part 1) Is a misrepresentation I explained my read in the post you quoted.
part 2) Is meh
part 3) Is scum feeling victimized by a post that I made as a joke.

Lynch this slot please.

~Bee

1) yeah, and I have no idea why you think it was informations fishing. I was pretty straight forward for me wanting to know what BB was from
2) Meh? that's all you have to say about it? I don't want to see you confirmation biasing me 30 pages from now.
3) Honestly, with some of the rest of the stuff you have said, I wouldn't put it past you if you were actually serious there. Your ISO is full of stuff like this that doesn't make any sense.

[Wayward Thinker]

It's after 2am my time, I've been running on 4 hours' sleep the past few nights, I'm in several other large themes, and this one JUST started.

I'm really not emotionally involved with it right now. By the middle of next week I should care more.

Damned unlikely that there will be a lynch before then.

Well, I Have said you are Scum before for using AtE just like this. I'm starting to think I need to move my vote. Would do it in a heartbeat if I wasn't hydraing with Suz.

I don't do AtE. Never have.

Where the hell does it look like I'm using AtE in my post? Why would I need to on the very first day of a game when no one's voting for me?

I shall remind you of Midnight Sun then.

[Wayward Thinker]

I can't see why expe wagon formed.

people just voted him.

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

~Ice

This is the short version of why Expedience is town aside from Math's push.

I found this and wanted to follow up to it separately. How is "people just voted him" an indication of town, in a multi-faction game? Or any game for that matter, wagons do form and sometimes they are on scum.

I'll admit this is a unique setup with multiple town factions, but I am supposing that town and scum still behave similarly and human = town. Wagons do form and on scum, but you're oversimplifying. Expedience is wagoned for unpopular opinions, but not ones that are scummy imho.

I agree with you here.

578I can't stand 604 - as a general rule I zone out and can't be fucked dealing with meta and delving into other games. If someone wants to give a specific example from another game they can go and get it themselves. I'll still disregard it but it annoys me to no end to be told to go and look at another game. Explain your actions in THIS game without sending Town on a multi-game-interpretation circlejerk. Also the statement, "it's not important what my reasons are" is just setting Wayward up to make a whole bunch of shit reasons for reads and expect people to not question them. Sorry, not letting you do that.

VOTE: Wayward Thinker

OK, I have a few things to comment on this:

1) Yes, my reasons do not makes sense to other people. This does not, however, mean that I will not be giving my reasons anyways.
2) I am not at all asking you to look up any game, so I have no idea where you are getting that.
3) I am not the only person for this slot so as such, I will be talking over my reads with my hydra partner. Hopefully in the process, my reasons will be more refined and better understood by Ya'all.
4) Are you seriously disagreeing with me about not knowing what I am talking about when I say that the games I have hosted that you have been in you have been pretty much all business?
5) Your reasons for voting me a poor

I'm keeping my vote on you until I talk to Suz again or until Suz leaves for Vacation depending on what else you do this game.

[Wayward Thinker]

Does anyone actually have any questions for me?

~LQ

[Wayward Thinker]

gunna hit more from the following post because I don't think I gave it a proper read the first time around.

578 by Stormblade intensifies my town read of them. Reasoning makes sense, it's full of actual content and there's a 72% chance it's Town-motivated.

Jokes over.

581 by exped is awful. Spelling, formatting, grammar or whatever other errors make sense. Outright saying scummy things isn't excusable by "I'm tired "

Spelling, formatting, grammar and whatever other errors that makes sense is NOT AI. It should be apparent that they very well may be tired given the time of night it was for them.

Cephrir has similar reads to mine, but it's bugging me. I don't like 580 because even though I disagree with Exped, it's not just the fact he disagrees that make him feel scummy. Ceph is making less effort to understand Exped's POV than he is focussing on the fact that he apparently thinks Exped is just wrong. Town are wrong all the time. Scumreading people because you think they're wrong is dumb.

How is what you are doing here any different?

I can't stand 604 - as a general rule I zone out and can't be fucked dealing with meta and delving into other games. If someone wants to give a specific example from another game they can go and get it themselves. I'll still disregard it but it annoys me to no end to be told to go and look at another game. Explain your actions in THIS game without sending Town on a multi-game-interpretation circlejerk. Also the statement, "it's not important what my reasons are" is just setting Wayward up to make a whole bunch of shit reasons for reads and expect people to not question them. Sorry, not letting you do that.

VOTE: Wayward Thinker

Fine I'll link the other two games you played where I was the host:

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=24321

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=24467

Person in question is redbaron.

Linking other games is a thing here rb, well, at least for me and a few others.

@MathBlade post 608 duly noted - but can you point out what you see to be a lack of content? As far as I'm concerned I'm sharing reads and pressing people on their opinions/thoughts, with the numbers for flavour. You seem to be implying that I'm just throwing out arbitrary numbers with no meaning - show me what you're talking about.

No one knows if your reads are complete BS or not because you are just throwing out random percentages to go along with you reads.. so are the reads a joke too? Just the reads? Just the numbers?

Following on from that, Ceph pointed that out in 623 - I'm wary of Ceph sheeping me here for the same sentiments I expressed about his post 580. He likes me just because we seem to agree - that's not a good reason to townread someone imo.

This is actually a valid point.

[quote="In post 885

Post 629 is crap. I read this as having a lot of potential for sheeping on MathBlade's 608 - where am I sheeping? Show me. Planning ahead? Who doesn't? Are you saying that you don't read into the interactions and their context between people in the game and think about how they might play out? Surely if someone died right now and flipped scum, you'd have an idea of where that'd lead you next right? If I was doing full-blown scum-association crap

and trying to pick the scum-team

, I'd understand your skepticism. I don't understand it from this POV though because I'm clearly not playing the scum-association game.

Town typically doesn't plan ahead. We didn't talk about the planning ahead thing when discussing our read on you. Scum are much more apt to plan ahead than Town. And its pre-flip, meaning any interactions you have to analyze now, don't mean much until flips actually happen. Granted I think if anyone is really "planning ahead" like what you describe here mathblade is more the person doing that. And some people might consider the bold a Scum slip, just fyi. So then you follow that up with saying "you understand our skepticism, but not why we are skeptical. MY point in our Scum read on you is that you are doing something I have not seen before ie. being silly with percentages. I haven't seen you be silly in a game and I don't remember you using percentages either.

Post 671 - Yes you've watched me play a game as Town and also as Scum. My first and second games ever. Being that it was about 2 months ago that I played my last Town game (this is my 4th game overall, 1 as Town, 2 as Scum) I've obviously changed quite a bit. Also you mention in this post that what I'm doing here is something you've not seen me do either as Town OR Scum - so what's with the scumread? Shouldn't it be NAI? Why don't you focus on the other stuff I'm posting instead?

You played your first game ever starting May 17th. Besides that stupid point, how much do you really think your meta can change in 4 games? I said it was a vote to pressure you, did you not read that part or something? This is the first real post you have made all game so I'm not sure exactly what "other stuff" there is. Enlighten me.

Post 688 What am I hiding? What's not clear to you? There's an 84% chance you're confused Town not understanding why I'm posting numbers.

BB is saying you are joking around rather than actually playing the game, which not only looks unnatural from one angle, but doesn't look like you are doing much as well. Why are you posting numbers?

770 can we not have, "I'm tired " as a defence? I made a joke that I say less sig-worthy things when I'm not sleep-deprived, but I find it fully acceptable if people find things I say or do scummy when I'm sleepy and I see no reason why I'd be somehow "more scummy" just because I was tired. Motivation of figuring out game and helping town is still there.

I get that you don't like the "I'm tired" defence, but I've been trying to tell you the whole time how this game is about reading the player.

771 is cute. I hereby

deny

so that you can tunnel me all game because this is scummy-af and the perfect cherry on top of your ice-cream sundae of, "I don't need to reason it doesn't matter!" if and when it's successful and I flip Town there's an 90% probability that you'll be next lynch and I'm perfectly okay with a 1-for-1 Town/Scum trade. Tunnel away baby. You're my highest scumread and I'd happily die if it means you get lynched next.

K, well keep playing and I might be having more reasons for Scum reading you as the game progresses.

[Wayward Thinker]

@LQ: how many people are on your scumteam

I'm Town, so I couldn't tell you.

[Wayward Thinker]

I think I covered it at 885 as to how much I disliked their posts. I have more questions for Exped but Wayward is my strongest scumlean. Exped is unhelpful and not at all giving goos reasons for his thoughts.

Wayward is doing the same thing on top of throwing in meta reads (which I dislike) and also the fact that he calls it a pressure vote but then also insists they refuse to remove it if I don't do some specific thing is scummy af to me.

Pressure votes are what you do when someone isn't giving content, tunnel votes are what you do to your strong scumreads.

So why's he tunneling if it's just pressure?

Wayward = scum imo.

No, that's not a tunnel. A tunnel is when you hammer someone with questions over many pages worth of the game.

I feel your vote on me is an OMGUS. Pretty obvious fmpov.

Notice how his Two Scum reads are the ones voting him. Hmm. what does that usually mean?

[Wayward Thinker]

It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.

[Wayward Thinker]

It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.

You know what? NVM its prolly not a Scum slip. I still find rb scummy tho.

[Wayward Thinker]

It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.

You know what? NVM its prolly not a Scum slip. I still find rb scummy tho.

what about it was like a scum slip

I don't understand

~Ice

Just that he said the last time he was Town followed by not saying this game. I would expect that to be said something like "This is my second Town game and last Town game I played was 2 months ago." Can't remember how he said it now.

[Wayward Thinker]

off the top of my head:

Nosferatu is still a light scum read.

Thinking Mathblade could be Scum as well.

Kinda like Titus as Town with their later content.

There was a post by Copper the pinged me, but forgot what it was.

Don't know about your slot yet.

Heartless is prolly Town, even though I don't like the "meh" vote they placed on us.

Don't know about C+A.

Still like No Result or whatever their name is for Town.

Don't like Salt Squads push on me.

The rest I'm just not sure of at all.

[Wayward Thinker]

can you talk about each at least 1 sentence ?

whats your read on expe?

are you scumreading nahdia for scumreading him or is there something else about her?

~Ice

that was @WT

~Ice

I would really rather prefer to talk to Suz before I go into more detail. I may or may not catch her before she goes on vacation. If I don't I will give you the reasons that I do have sometime tomorrow, but for now, I am going to bed.

[Wayward Thinker]

So it turns out I'll be around a while. Was going to sleep and wake up for my appointment, but my appointment is at 9:45 so I will be awake until like 10:45 or something.

[Wayward Thinker]

So it turns out I'll be around a while. Was going to sleep and wake up for my appointment, but my appointment is at 9:45 so I will be awake until like 10:45 or something.

read on Nahdia and expediance , I want your opinion not suz.

~Ice

Who is Nahdia?

I think Expediance is likely just misunderstood Town.

[Wayward Thinker]

One of the Stormblade heads. the one who initiated the wagon on expe

what gave you that idea? what makes him misunderstood?

~Ice

It just seems like Exp is too "out there" to be Scum IMO. I have the same problem sometimes.

[Wayward Thinker]

Okay, I'm home. Let's see what can be done here~

[Wayward Thinker]

~That was suz

[Wayward Thinker]

I seriously cannot believe how many posts were made while I was at work...
~Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

I think you are probably fine expedience...

[Wayward Thinker]

dave maybe scum.

I honestly had this same though. I would be curious of how you got at it. My way was kind of backwards and hard for people to follow but it may hold weight.

My meta reads are great.

A lot of people can't do meta reads.

Please don't try to stifle those of us that can.

Yes, but I dislike meta reads so much. They make me die inside a little bit.
(The on going catch up continues. I am watching the game topic at normal speed too)

[Wayward Thinker]

dave maybe scum.

I honestly had this same though. I would be curious of how you got at it. My way was kind of backwards and hard for people to follow but it may hold weight.

My meta reads are great.

A lot of people can't do meta reads.

Please don't try to stifle those of us that can.

Yes, but I dislike meta reads so much. They make me die inside a little bit.
(The on going catch up continues. I am watching the game topic at normal speed too)

This better not be LQ posting on the Hydra because the entire reason you said you were going to tunnel me was a meta reason

Apologises, it is me Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

I honestly had this same though. I would be curious of how you got at it. My way was kind of backwards and hard for people to follow but it may hold weight.

It was a gut ping, so i ISO'd him to see if i could find the reason (It's explained a bit after that post), but i may have been wrong on my assumptions, the gut ping is still there and people were telling me it was pinging to his playstyle, but then later everyone started scumreading him, so i'm at a loss as to what this all means wrt his alignment.

Well now time for a crazy Suzune theory. But I noticed the amount of posts and went to read them. They are mainly high topic issues and should generate much more discussion then they did. That though is neither here nor there because the important part if what they say and when they say it. The are both interjections into much larger fights at about the middle. They both tend to redirect or call attention to changes in the game flow or to clarify what they think on the position. This rings me as curious.

[Wayward Thinker]

fuck man can't even sleep

You are thinking about Danganropa 3 Future side too! Nah, I am just teasing. I would love to lie down for a while but my mind is racing. So many things to do.

[Wayward Thinker]

Although i admit i never saw the "pretending to scumread him" reason like ever before, FmPoV he was just scumreading me without reason thoughout all game and only gave a reason when he misrepresneted my post to spin it like it was OMGUS

So why did you unvote me?

I already explained that before.
I was scumreading you because i believed that scum wanted me dead due to me slipping my role in a place where i didnt realize scum could be and they got that info, and shortly after you started scumreading me.
But this logic doesnt match if you're the only one doing so.

Gosu Townie points for this post.

[Wayward Thinker]

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

Because he's been calling me scum

for no reason

and i don't like that

No, this is why Luna Fox is voting me.

"Because he's accusing me and when I'm town I OMGUS people "

Fixed that for you.
Maybe just maybe if you want to ML people you should at least try to read their posts you know.

Yes, but you don't actually think that I'm scum. You just don't like it when people call you scum, and the first reason that bring up is that you don't like being voted, not that you think it's a scumtell or anything.

It's as if you gave an RVS justification for a vote that's supposed to be serious and that's scummy as fuck.

Yes except for the game where I played with your main and basically trolled, didn't explain my read on you at all and you got upset about it.

Isn't that the blitz game where you were scum.

You're blatantly lying about your meta knowledge of my play to accuse me of being scum, and you're scum.

Blatantly lying? no, Misremembering maybe, I don't go fact check everytime I remember something. And I'm all ears and open to your explanations i've been all game, yet you still haven't explained a single thing about your scumread on me.

This is complete bullshit, we have played 3 games and you somehow only managed to remember the one from like a year ago, and claimed that it was the only game. You're clearly pretending to misremember.

You probably forgot that I knew who your main was, and thought you could get away with lying. You are deliberately faking your understanding of my meta and that basically confirms you as scum. Like, it's an explicit thing.

You could not say this in earnest after saying things like this in the past.

This is why I am Town reading Exp. I don't see Scum coming up with reasons like this.

[Wayward Thinker]

Vote: Luna Fox

Booooo!

[Wayward Thinker]

I'm most likely to vote on ppl out of PoE at this point.

Whoa, PoE in a 28 player in d1?
That's going to take a heap of explaining.

Because i currently dont feel any of the current wagons, I feel like we're missing something.

It's d1.

In a large.

That's a likelihood.

If it's a likelihood what was the point of dave's question.

PoE implies you have a number of townreads you are unwilling to vote.

D1.

In a large.

Yeah, I get that, but don't through the baby out with the bath water.

[Wayward Thinker]

Titus is just scum

Why?

[Wayward Thinker]

Almost is null. His "readslist" sucked but claiming the PGO type role was pro-town.

This ^

[Wayward Thinker]

I can't believe we found scum before the game even began...

Who did you find?

I can't believe - not as in "Oh boy, I can't believe I'm going to my first baseball game!" but more as in, I can't believe in a sincere way.

Super generic reasoning.

VOTE: copper

Going to bed now. Prepared to wake up to 20 pages more

Just votes with no explanation then leaves. Why do this?

well this is going.

someone tell me who to vote.

Wayward.

~Bee

vote: wayward

cool.

VOTE: TWIE

You need to die if you can't think for yourself.

Says they are voting someone for not thinking of their own reasons, but hasn't once provided their reasoning on anything this game.

Fucking Nahdia.

What does this accomplish?

You can read me however you like, but don't call it a bad vote when it's not, considering the early stage of day one.

It clearly is a bad vote cuz your reason sucks.

Vote: Almost

I'll sheep that.

God damn it. Stop sheeping and start thinking.

Why is sheeping such a bad thing? Do you think Almost is Town?

*still waiting on why I'm such a good lynch to No Retreat* Or maybe he already retreated. lol

How about cuz you've done shit all game?

Why are people voting? This game hasn't even started, have they?

I can't believe we found scum before the game even began...

I didn't much like either of these posts. I know we've talked a little about the second one but why in the world would you say that...like whats the point?

You also voted TWIE for sheeping but not Luna so that's p strange. Other than that you don't really have anything. So why should I not want your head on a pike?

You know I can't vote more than one person at once, right?

Hardy har har.

VOTE: KuroiXHF

[Wayward Thinker]

Maybe I was wrong about Titus idk.

This needs to be lynched. Now. Catching up in progress starting from end working back.

If you struggle with a read share thoughts do something...just "idk" is at best filler and at worst scum trying to look authentic versus be authentic.

And what about them being open about their thought process?

[Wayward Thinker]

I have been scumreading you for your association with Titus and Song as well. I see nothing so far in my catchup that stops that theory and the fact you are switching off of her when they never answered my question about finding a specific post why you are town is telling.

And these reasons to do pre-flip are almost never good, and they aren't good in your case either.

[Wayward Thinker]

2.KuroiXHF - - - - - Town Lean: He's legit looking for non-Humans.

whats the meaning of this?

show me with quotes please

~Ice

Oiy, have to admit this makes Almost50 at the very least not paying attention.

[Wayward Thinker]

Maybe I was wrong about Titus idk.

This needs to be lynched. Now. Catching up in progress starting from end working back.

If you struggle with a read share thoughts do something...just "idk" is at best filler and at worst scum trying to look authentic versus be authentic.

And what about them being open about their thought process?

This is a joke right?

Not a joke. And open thought process is a pretty good sign that someone is Town, even if their reasons suck.

I have been scumreading you for your association with Titus and Song as well. I see nothing so far in my catchup that stops that theory and the fact you are switching off of her when they never answered my question about finding a specific post why you are town is telling.

And these reasons to do pre-flip are almost never good, and they aren't good in your case either.

In contrast multiball is one of the reasons you do preflip associatives as it helps with three things especially in a game this large

1) it forces people to think about WHY events occurred. The majority of people focus on the "last" thing as cause when this is not always the case.
2) In a game of multiball seeing someone react about being linked with someone can be a huge tell of either alignment.
3) It forces people to get out of dropping "X is scum" "y is scum" blanket statements and provide reasons. Something this game sorely lacks.

Like for example you scum read me without any reason other than "I don't like how you read people". That is garbage.

If anyone has a scumread on someone else they should do more than "X is scum". Reasons are like air. We need them to survive and think properly.

See here is an example: 1407 is horrible because in a D1 large we should have no babies. At best maybe a foot of some strong town reads. If you are using PoE as a reason in a D1 large with multiball then you are either doing associatives which you claim to "hate" or you got caught with your pants down sans reason.

I need more votes.

VOTE: Wayward Thinker

Your vote is garbage. I'm not the only one telling you that pre-flip associations are not something you should be doing. The fact that you vote me for pointing out that pre-flip is bad is terrible reasoning. You're not even following your own pre-flip anymore, which is a huge WTF.

[Wayward Thinker]

It just seems like Exp is too "out there" to be Scum IMO. I have the same problem sometimes.

You two are on the same scumteam, aren't you?

Nope, I'm not Scum. But just in case you think I am, I have never been that obvious as Scum to give a teammate such a strong town read. In short, I'm not stupid, I just know when a Town player is misunderstood because I've been there.

[Wayward Thinker]

@RAM

Cool. So let's get this straight.

When RAM says:

"I strongly townread X person"

RAM actually means:

"I don't see the reasoning for why X person is scum"

?

And you wonder why I have trouble interpreting your posts

when did i ever say i strongly townread either WT or kuroi.........


i have a mild VERY null mild townread on both of them
enough that i'm uncomfortable with their lynches

kuroi i also have a problem with his wagon which i have explained
WT i have already explained why i dont see them as scum like most people do




titus idk he hasn't said anything in PT

Okay but most people aren't seeing WT as scum as far as I can tell. I keep hearing people tell me he's Town but I can never get a decent reason out of them. So why is he NOT scum then, in your opinion because I honestly don't feel like the general consensus is that WT is scum and I'm tired of being told he's not scum without good reasons. His wagon also pretty much evaporated and went onto Kuroi which is why I'm townreading Kuroi and intensifying in scumread of WT.

This is pre-flip, which is bad.

[Wayward Thinker]

Fucking hell. I'm reading Kuroi's ISO again to see if I can independently understand why he is scummy like everyone else apparently does.

Please let me know if you find something, but I've got nothing.

This is true, you've got nothing... because you've done nothing all game.

[Wayward Thinker]

@TWIE:

Wayward earlier in the game voted someone for sheeping, then when Kuroi voted someone for sheeping they ask Kuroi, "what's wrong with sheeping"

Among other things how is that wall by Wayward not terrible? What's in that Wayward wall that's good?

I did? I voted someone for sheeping? Can you point this out because I have no recollection of this.

My point is that Kuroi isn't doing a damn thing to solve the game and is just content to make shit posts.

[Wayward Thinker]

Doing an ISO and ran across this.

It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

The start of the sentence sounds like someone pointed this out to you. Where did that occur?

This was talked about with ASOIAF shortly after. I don't know that its actually a Scum slip. I don't think it actually is.

[Wayward Thinker]

The reason I did that ISO was to find out why WT are being scumread, since the divide between those townreading and scumreading the slot is quite deep. I looked at 1434 (which was cited as a major reason for the scumread) and the positions taken there are pretty reasonable. If the argument about that post was that it's too narrowly focused, that might be valid, but I don't buy into the notion that this post falls short of making points. I'm not too fond of the lack of followup on the points made there, but this game is already an excellent example of why lack of followup isn't AI by itself.

The more telling thing IMO is that the slot's overall focus is quite narrow and they seem to be actively avoiding the main controversies in the thread. This suggests trying to fly under the radar. So while the often-referenced 1434 isn't bad in its own right, the overall pattern is scummy.

So... are you going to vote them? Or are you still contemplating other options?

I actually think the opposite though. A narrow focus isn't of itself bad. It's difficult to make broad assessments in a 100 page game in 3 days. I certainly can't, but 1434 is just point-quote-point vomit, if you can stomach calling those "points"

I'm disappointed that there was only one comment to that post, and it came from a null (properly speaking a "no read") instead of a townread. But I guess I'll take what I can get.
Yes, narrow isn't prima facie scummy in a superlarge. I didn't do a good job on putting the emphasis in the right place. They're ignoring controversial topics, the way I see it, and that's the important part as it shows a degree of laying low. More AI than merely lurking.

VOTE: WT

Well then I guess I'll just ask if you have seen me engage with controversial topics before. I'd guess if I have most of them would have been about myself.

~LQ

gunna try and sign my posts more often.

[Wayward Thinker]

@RAM

Cool. So let's get this straight.

When RAM says:

"I strongly townread X person"

RAM actually means:

"I don't see the reasoning for why X person is scum"

?

And you wonder why I have trouble interpreting your posts

when did i ever say i strongly townread either WT or kuroi.........


i have a mild VERY null mild townread on both of them
enough that i'm uncomfortable with their lynches

kuroi i also have a problem with his wagon which i have explained
WT i have already explained why i dont see them as scum like most people do




titus idk he hasn't said anything in PT

Okay but most people aren't seeing WT as scum as far as I can tell. I keep hearing people tell me he's Town but I can never get a decent reason out of them. So why is he NOT scum then, in your opinion because I honestly don't feel like the general consensus is that WT is scum and I'm tired of being told he's not scum without good reasons. His wagon also pretty much evaporated and went onto Kuroi which is why I'm townreading Kuroi and intensifying in scumread of WT.

This is pre-flip, which is bad.

This is also pre-flip, which makes it also bad

Wut?

I have no way to understand that. Could you explain that one please?

[Wayward Thinker]

Oh that was Suz, but that doesn't really change how bad it is.

Believe it or not, we are entitled to have different opinions as two different people.

Why are you still trying to defend yourself anyways? Its like you are fighting anything against you even though there isn't really a wagon to speak of on you.

[Wayward Thinker]

At this point I can't tell if Copper is just blatantly lying right now or not. I wouldn't be sad to see them go, honestly. There has been some really weird things said in the thread, like Luna's claim that they share a neighborhood. This just seems weird to me and I can't help but think it could be an elaborate way to cover up a Scum faction, not that I am hard core Scum reading anyone from that group. I actually have luna as Town, but Copper doesn't look good as things stand right now.

[Wayward Thinker]

Luna Fox earlier claimed to be in a neighborhood with Stormblade, copper then said that he was also part of the neighborhood. I don't think there's any chance of them being untruthful about this, surely you've played with neighborhoods before?

Yes, one game, and its a game I want to forget. I guess its safe to assume there is at least 1 member of the group that is Town, but I don't know how the neighborhood started or who instigated it so I'm not really sure what to make of it.

@dav. He wanted me to talk about one of the controversies so I obliged.

[Wayward Thinker]

K RAM is also a good lynch.

Vote them then.

Heartless is not going to be lynched even if you think they're scum because too many people are townreading them.

Obviously, Heartless should be checked.

[Wayward Thinker]

Now, I'm afraid I have to go play TW3 because I've been meaning to play it for a while and only finished it to completion once and I have yet to play the DLC. I'll try to be on later though.

[Wayward Thinker]

@WT
I on the other hand am not seeing where all the scum reads on you are coming from, by all means tell me why I look bad.

Its mostly just stuff that will likely sort itself out. Its just mostly the he said she said type stuff that I am looking at. You say one thing and people are like "no, that didn't happen" and then you say "yes, it did." That kinda thing is just weird to me, IDK.

[Wayward Thinker]

Grr, Saga called.

Before you go, document reads, where you are at page wise, and who you would be voting if caught up. Keep doing that.

With SaGa, I had the worst flu ever in my entire life. And I'm old.

It's different stuff this time, RL creating commitments and difficulties that I can't alter. And my internet will be iffy for a couple weeks.

Uh-huh. Well, I should get this off my chest that I've seen a SK in a game complain about their internet not working as well, even when they are still posting.

[Wayward Thinker]

Now I can see why Wayward isn't doing well at this game - he's not a great player.

No. it's because he's Scum.

I bet he's partners with Expedience, a side-by-side ISO is interesting...

Umm. Is this seriously where you're at in the game klingon?

-Cerb

Yeah...

I rolled Town this time, so don't expect to be impressed before Day 3.

the copper wagon is also getting good

Cerb, vote for Expedience, Wayward Thinker, or No Retreat, they're all Scum. I promise.

These two things conflict. You say you know that these three people are Scum, which is lawl, cuz I think we are all town, but before that you say "don't expect to be impressed before day 3." So either your reads are shit here and you are telling the truth about having a good game by day 3 or you're reads are right (but they aren't) and you are impressing us right now with your for sure scum reads day 1. So which is it? Should we trust your Scum reads now or are these reads shit now?

[Wayward Thinker]

These two things conflict. You say you know that these three people are Scum, which is lawl, cuz I think we are all town, but before that you say "don't expect to be impressed before day 3." So either your reads are shit here and you are telling the truth about having a good game by day 3 or you're reads are right (but they aren't) and you are impressing us right now with your for sure scum reads day 1. So which is it? Should we trust your Scum reads now or are these reads shit now?

You're right.

I usually can't get it together until Day 3.

But once in a while, it's like it was handed to me on a silver platter.

You, Expedience, and No Retreat have interacted as a team. A Scum team.

I am 100% sure of this.

You guys here that? She's 100% sure.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I want this dead more than anything right now.

[Wayward Thinker]

I'd like a VC please. I'm prolly at like 13 now.

[Wayward Thinker]

I getting tired of this game.

I guess I don't think it would be that bad if I got voted off. I hate doing catch up like this. inning this game was a bad idea.

[Wayward Thinker]

Hi LQ!

yes?

[Wayward Thinker]

Hi LQ!

yes?

It kinda saddens me to see you like that, have you tried just reading the last few pages instead and asking in case you missed something.

The way I play is by interacting with people in real time. When I have to catch up a massive 10+ pages every time I log in, it kills a little bit of my soul every time.

[Wayward Thinker]

I still kinda feel like WT is VI, tbh...

-titus

Fixed it for me

Yeah, If I get called VI again I'm replacing out.

[Wayward Thinker]

I still kinda feel like WT is VI, tbh...

-titus

Fixed it for me

Yeah, If I get called VI again I'm replacing out.

Is this LQ or Suzune speaking? Don't you kind of both have to agree?

No, I don't.

This is LQ. Suzune hasn't been here since Monday I think.

[Wayward Thinker]

~Do not bring outside influence into a game~
~Threatening to replace out is a modkillable offense~

Who's bringing outside influence into the game?
I might just be replacing out for Raisins. Why do you have a problem with that?

[Wayward Thinker]

~Do not bring outside influence into a game~
~Threatening to replace out is a modkillable offense~

Who's bringing outside influence into the game?
I might just be replacing out for Raisins. Why do you have a problem with that?

You're threatening to replace out because of ingame reasons. Replacing out is an out-of-game mechanic.
You are using replacing out as a threat to change people's view on you.
You deserve a fate far worse than the wagon you're facing.

No, I am not threatening to replace out for people to change their view on me, don't know why you are thinking that. I consider being called a VI as an insult and I'm not going to put up with it.

[Wayward Thinker]

Luna and Wake looks like TvT.

[Wayward Thinker]

Luna and Wake looks like TvT.

This isn't a

v

anything.

It's a

lesson

.

OK, but TlT doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

[Wayward Thinker]

Well T|T doesn't give the illusion that you're contributing to the game, so it's more accurate.

Look, there is a good chance that I get flipped day 1 so I thought it might help for me to comment on reads as I see them. You disagree?

[Wayward Thinker]

That is a depressingly tiny WT wagon.

I don't recall you actually giving reasons for why I am Scum. Feel free to list your reasons now or link to where you gave them thanks.

[Wayward Thinker]

How naive

EDIT: I gave my reasons several time actually.

Link them, because that is unclear to me.

[Wayward Thinker]

The fact they're crossvoting is (for me) a point in favor of Kuroi being town. Honestly, WT voting Kuroi is more relevant here than Kuroi voting WT.
Kuroi is arguably the counterwagon to Wayward at this point, said wagon built from (at least to some extent) a WT post. It's unlikely that the scum response to being wagonned is to throw your buddy under the bus. Not impossible, but unlikely.
Regardless it requires WT to be scum :p

EDIT: Again, I've ISOed Kuroi and given my thoughts to cerb last page.
YOU DAMN PEOPLE =_=

WT's posts are full of ass-covering and preservation.
Also kuroi's fine and the people on that wagon are (for the most part) awful.

EDIT:

@Math: What makes me say Expe's mindset is town is that I've read his posts.
Town do plenty of naked votes.

@Nahdia: Please standby...

Oh wow

Vote: Wayward Thinker

These are all the posts that can in any way resemble reasons for why I am scum. I don't think they are particularly good.

P-Edit; I see you got to it fist. All your reasons suck fwiw.

[Wayward Thinker]

WT's posts are full of ass-covering and preservation.
Also kuroi's fine and the people on that wagon are (for the most part) awful.

EDIT:

@Math: What makes me say Expe's mindset is town is that I've read his posts.
Town do plenty of naked votes.

@Nahdia: Please standby...

Speculation, nothing concrete at all.

It can be for you too, I just don't expect you to fix your read.

EDIT: Plot fallacy.

More speculation. What I say I can prove, while what you say cannot.

@dram can you give details on your Wt read and why he's self preserving? Also, can you talk about why the Kuroi wagon is shit?

His stance are weak as fuck and he ovejustifies his plays.

Kuroi wagon has WT, you, Toog, Luna, and beeboy on it. It could hardly have more flashing red lights saying "bad wagon". And that's ignoring the fact that his play isn't scummy anyways.

@Dave: I've given reason for why those quotes are town literally one post earlier.


Heartless is steadily burning through their towncred.

Well I think your stances suck and you are over justifying your own plays.
You don't know what a bad wagon is until we actually get flips..

We think we will go with a vote on rb for now.
VOTE: RB

This vote is placed for a twofold reason. The first is the constant on the percentages. Planning ahead and running the numbers pings me as scummy
The second is the general sheeping of opinions.

~Suz

p-edit, goodness gracious everyone is posting so fast.

It just seems like Exp is too "out there" to be Scum IMO. I have the same problem sometimes.

You two are on the same scumteam, aren't you?

Nope, I'm not Scum. But just in case you think I am, I have never been that obvious as Scum to give a teammate such a strong town read. In short, I'm not stupid, I just know when a Town player is misunderstood because I've been there.

These are probably the two scummiest posts in the game, and it's not even a close one.

More subjective bias. You haven't played with me so you have no idea even if these things are Scummy for me. I gave my reasons for Scum reading rb, but you don't cover this.

@RAM

Cool. So let's get this straight.

When RAM says:

"I strongly townread X person"

RAM actually means:

"I don't see the reasoning for why X person is scum"

?

And you wonder why I have trouble interpreting your posts

when did i ever say i strongly townread either WT or kuroi.........


i have a mild VERY null mild townread on both of them
enough that i'm uncomfortable with their lynches

kuroi i also have a problem with his wagon which i have explained
WT i have already explained why i dont see them as scum like most people do




titus idk he hasn't said anything in PT

Okay but most people aren't seeing WT as scum as far as I can tell. I keep hearing people tell me he's Town but I can never get a decent reason out of them. So why is he NOT scum then, in your opinion because I honestly don't feel like the general consensus is that WT is scum and I'm tired of being told he's not scum without good reasons. His wagon also pretty much evaporated and went onto Kuroi which is why I'm townreading Kuroi and intensifying in scumread of WT.

This is pre-flip, which is bad.

This is also pre-flip, which makes it also bad

I say pre-flip is bad and you say I am doing pre-flip by saying pre-flip is bad.. Wat even?

~Do not bring outside influence into a game~
~Threatening to replace out is a modkillable offense~

Who's bringing outside influence into the game?
I might just be replacing out for Raisins. Why do you have a problem with that?

You're threatening to replace out because of ingame reasons. Replacing out is an out-of-game mechanic.
You are using replacing out as a threat to change people's view on you.
You deserve a fate far worse than the wagon you're facing.

That is the crux of what I've highlighted/said irt WT.

And this is just not accurate at all. I basically said I would replace out of the game if I was insulted by being called VI.

You are either conf-biassing or are Scum, there is no inbetween.

[Wayward Thinker]

Hey WT, next time you feel like posting something like 3306, you can just use this instead:


you're welcome

Cute.

[Wayward Thinker]

Shut up dram.
I feel like his frustration is genuine.

So do I, but I still think he's scum.

^^

the lq meta point i think titus (and someone way earlier, i forgot who) is attempting to make is kinda baffling me, b/c i get that he has a wacky style i saw it in strangercoug's game but comparatively his stuff here looks downright tame. i'm not seeing anything way out in left field

Not the point I made. I feel WT is town because I see good content and the absence of what is scum WT. I just am not balls to the wall ready to against half my townreads when its based on weak feels.

Honestly, I don't think I can blame you for that. Even if I didn't know a thing about you I would prolly be Town reading you for this post.

[Wayward Thinker]

These two things conflict. You say you know that these three people are Scum, which is lawl, cuz I think we are all town, but before that you say "don't expect to be impressed before day 3." So either your reads are shit here and you are telling the truth about having a good game by day 3 or you're reads are right (but they aren't) and you are impressing us right now with your for sure scum reads day 1. So which is it? Should we trust your Scum reads now or are these reads shit now?

You're right.

I usually can't get it together until Day 3.

But once in a while, it's like it was handed to me on a silver platter.

You, Expedience, and No Retreat have interacted as a team. A Scum team.

I am 100% sure of this.

You guys here that? She's 100% sure.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I want this dead more than anything right now.

I bet you do, Scum.

You are Scum. there are plenty of reasons to think so as well. Doing pre-flip, saying you have a Scum team nailed on top of saying "don't expect much from me until day 3" yeah, just not gunna buy that.

[Wayward Thinker]

You're a cruel bastard.

I'm sure I am. I don't really like how you are name calling here to gain sympathy like I'm somehow being mean to you for suggesting that you are scum. Its mafia, I'm scumhunting. Like I said earlier maybe you going V/LA and being mafia were just a coincidence. I don't know whats gong on, if you are sick or whatever is going on I hope you feel better or the problem fixes itself.

However

I have serious reservation about your slot. You sorta cherry picked my review of your iso. I don't understand why you pushed for an Exe lynch with the reasoning that it would help you read Titus when you were already town reading her. And I'm not sure why you didn't address this unless you are flat out ignoring things and hoping they go away.

Your post about me not listing WT as a town or scum read is balls and totes ignores the fact that said list did NOT contain several players so it feels off and scummy.

I'm not trying to gain anyone's sympathy.

If you knew anything about my private life you'd know better than to say that.

Speaking of private life, I checked everywhere that I could think of, there's no rule that compels players to disclose why they're V/LA. That you're so interested in my whereabouts, I have to think you're stalking.

You're either stalking me or accusing me of cheating.

Both offenses can get you banned.

You should be policy lynched at the very least, Creep.

Beyond that I don't give a flying fuck, a rat's ass, or a tinker's damn how you feel about my slot.

VOTE: No Retreat

So... is this a PL or do you think NR is Scummy for these reasons? Its not clear.

[Wayward Thinker]

@Everyone

When Titus is Town, is she more calm and passive... or aggressive and stubborn?

She is a bit more passive as Scum I think. aggressive and stubborn is totally Town!Titus.

[Wayward Thinker]

You say KC was connecting Expe and Kuroi. She wasn't. Instead of correcting you, she agrees that at one point she was connecting those two, but has since changed her mind.

That inconsistency /contradiction concerns me....like Expe said, it's as though she's not actually holding these reads, and so just went with what you said, even though it wasn't true.

-Cern

Would it help if I listed everyone that pinged my scumdar?
A Song of Ice and Fire
BBMolla
Dramonic
Expedience
Kuroi
No Retreat
Titus
Wayward Thinker

This list looks completely random.

[Wayward Thinker]

Kinda how I'm feeling right now:

[Wayward Thinker]

Okay I'm lost then. No idea how to differentiate town via Nation result then, because it's inconsistent.

I agree with this post. I feel like I am unsure of what to do with the information that people post. I guess, I will just make a list right now and hope that it becomes obvious later.

Thats not telling us who are ENEMIES ARE!
That tells us that one faction wants everyone dead.

So is everyone else survivors?

No, I think it means that there are many smaller factions working towards their own goals. I have to assume that factions of mixed type exist too therefore, I do not think it is as straight forward, but that is how I am reading the game.

"Individual" implies no PT. Presumably, the Individual Vampire Faction's only factional PT is the recruit. How does that work; every vampire gets to recruit?

-Nahdia

There would have to be a small number of vampires before the game started with that logic, because otherwise, it would be a mass population of vampires all of a sudden.

Do we know for a fact that Wulden are Scum?

Yes, they're the Dmitri Damanos cult thing (although not necessarily a cult in terms of mechanics) from the flavor.

I believe that we know their faction is scummy at least. However, why would LLD announce she was Wulden. Wouldn't you not do that because they are enemies of the town because they sound scummy by what the intro story says.

Win cons are not supposed to be a puzzle.

Yes, but I feel like win cons are a puzzle in this game. It has been a long time since I played a game that required reading people's role pms to make decisions.

So, like I said, I received a message last Night.

Are you waiting for someone to ask you about it. Then I will? Was your message helpful?

Can't keep up, everyone is so quick
~Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

This game contains an entity called the

Destroyer of Worlds

.

Sounds cheery...

Because I have an ability that allows me to convert 1 persons win condition to the individual vampire win condition so I can confirm to you all the 1 person wins with town.

Perhaps I am not following this, but why would we want this?

And, hi Luna~

[Wayward Thinker]

Just skimmed this days worth of material.

Why am I alive? Because Tim at least if not rb, Nosferatu, and Klingoncelt and we know Dram all do not have individual killing Town roles.

Why are the people dead who are dead? Why is Titus dead? IDK, could be Kling, but NKA is not really my thing. Why is Dram dead? IDK, maybe someone prolly thought they were Scum. Why is BB dead? Because they were obv Town.

Undead Risen Slave Wincon: You win if all threats to a new humanity treaty are eliminated and at least one player with this wincon is alive.

WTF is new humanity treaty? I can only assume it is that this new humanity is considered a cult.

Anyways, feeling good about:

VOTE: Salt

right now.

[Wayward Thinker]

Cause like, depending on wordings couldn't it jsut refer to having a Wulden (me) who is part of the treaty?

I very much doubt a HUMAN treaty would include a WULDEN "race", but what do I know? You could argue you were once Human, but so were the Undead and probably Vampires, Lycans and what not (nobody claimed a Lycan yet, btw. Shouldn't there always be Lycans vs Vampires and we could go Bella-isque

Upon further investigation, (though I don't think A50 is perfect in their analysis) I can't think of a valid reason NOT to lunch LLD now.

VOTE: LLD

It does one of two things:

1. Confirms that Wulden race are definitely the worst ones to keep around because they are automatically (IMO) cult if they flip Scum.
2. Confirms that race doesn't mean a damn thing considering win cons. This will be valuable info going forward and we can then just ignore 90% of the flavor and just Scum hunt.
2.

[Wayward Thinker]

rb, you do realize there's a huge number of factions in this game, right? I'm 99% every faction we've seen flip so far is town, though not necessarily all of them can win with each other. I'm also like, 90% the Individual Human faction could win with ANY of them. There's nothing I've seen that requires the Individual Human Faction to be a group of xenophobic fuckheads. Literally the factions that have flipped thus far are confirmed town based on mechanics; their wincons are "eliminates all threats" not "control's 50% of the votes" which is listed as the scum wincon in the mechanics post. You need to stop being so closed-minded about this, actually look at the flavor of the people who are flipping, and really THINK "does this sound like a threat to me?" rather than just seeing "oh it's a faction oh hurr durr vampires r evil guess that's scum."

The way this town works is that there's various town factions, all or virtually all of which have a number of mutual enemies (right now I suspect a Wulden and Nosferatu faction, as well as a full cult we're mod confirmed to know nothing about, not the recruiter factions we've seen which were explained in the mechanics posts). However, not every town faction can necessarily win with every town faction, there MIGHT be some conflict there. But again, I'm positive the Individual Humans are the neutrals that can win with all of them.

-Nahdia

You just pulled one of my secret scum tells I look for, congrats.

[Wayward Thinker]

I'm at the top of page 182.

I have a crazy theory.

Out of all the flips we have seen, none of them have been really standard, meaning there is a lot of other shit going along with the Nation/Location/Race check thing in general, so why aren't LLD and SS mentioning their other abilities? The crazy theory here is that they are both part of a Scum faction.

[Wayward Thinker]

To the hood:



Off the album Kill 'Em All.

[Wayward Thinker]

rb, you do realize there's a huge number of factions in this game, right? I'm 99% every faction we've seen flip so far is town, though not necessarily all of them can win with each other. I'm also like, 90% the Individual Human faction could win with ANY of them. There's nothing I've seen that requires the Individual Human Faction to be a group of xenophobic fuckheads. Literally the factions that have flipped thus far are confirmed town based on mechanics; their wincons are "eliminates all threats" not "control's 50% of the votes" which is listed as the scum wincon in the mechanics post. You need to stop being so closed-minded about this, actually look at the flavor of the people who are flipping, and really THINK "does this sound like a threat to me?" rather than just seeing "oh it's a faction oh hurr durr vampires r evil guess that's scum."

The way this town works is that there's various town factions, all or virtually all of which have a number of mutual enemies (right now I suspect a Wulden and Nosferatu faction, as well as a full cult we're mod confirmed to know nothing about, not the recruiter factions we've seen which were explained in the mechanics posts). However, not every town faction can necessarily win with every town faction, there MIGHT be some conflict there. But again, I'm positive the Individual Humans are the neutrals that can win with all of them.

-Nahdia

You just pulled one of my secret scum tells I look for, congrats.

Sorry to hear I'll be hurting your reliability scores then.

-Nahdia

I guess we'll see after the games over.

[Wayward Thinker]

Suz~
Catching up now~

I hate the kind of teasing you are doing wake...derails game ideas with foolish guessing

[Wayward Thinker]

I;m on page 194, are you still looking for the the sk-esque claim you claimed earlier? I commented on it with the word cheery to make it easier to find later.
Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

*Sigh*

*Lays back in a hammock, grabs a beer, and quietly holds a message about the existence of an SK-sounding entity*

I'll have to wade through 30 pages to find out, won't I?

Not unless you use the power of the 3-letter word.

Easy, I will just tell you:

This game contains an entity called the

Destroyer of Worlds

.

Okay yeah...Remember how I said to keep it in your goddamn pants??!!?!?!?!?!

Won't lie this is one of my favourite things about you~

"SCUM" are given FAKECLAIMS. When the player dies, the fakeclaims show up in the flip.

Really?!? You must have been play way different mafia games on this site then I have. Because, I have never in all my games seen that.

[Wayward Thinker]

We do not have to help mathblade, because I included the answer in my post. Seriously, there is no reason to be like that about this game Wake. We are all struggling to make sense and try to figure out who is scum. So we might as well be on the same page, teasing him with information and then making him jump for it is childish. I like everyone that I think might be townish on the same page.

~Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

And it is they...Please. I am a they.

Oh shoot, that was me. Sorry. I was trying to be really careful.

[Wayward Thinker]

The Isolationist Faction doesnt.

What does this mean?

Judging on name alone I would assume they are people who are living on the outskirts of their individual faction name. So like those who have been exiled or something.

There is no guarantee there is a wulden in our PT, on the other hand it is certain LLD is a Wulden, voting for one of us over LLD is insane.

There's also no guarantee that there are no wulden outside that are on our side.
We only know that if a spy exists it's wulden.

I am unsure I am following this private topic debate and also unsure about why it comes up so often. So Luna thinks there is scum in her PT. If there is scum it must be Wulden. But we have no way to confirm the scum is Wulden? or if it is Wulden it is scum? Why then are we talking about it so much. Is the goal to protect the private topic? I mean personally if I thought there was scum, I would stop talking. There is nothing we can do about it on the topic, I think, so why do we talk about it so much. Is there a list of people in your topic somewhere that you want us to whittle down?

[Wayward Thinker]

I play the way that works best for me. I'm tired of wasting hours on quality posts only to have it ignored or worse. It's not worth the investment of time and energy. I'll in players if they're A) Town and B) willing to be receptive. My time is fucking precious. No offense: that's just the way it is. It's that way in ALL my games. Prevents game-related stress, too.

I mean, what do you want. There are 28 people in this game. If you wan to talk and have someone pay attention to you, I am online. But you not expect them to bend over backwards for you.

[Wayward Thinker]

Yeah, do you guys realize that Klingoncelt decided to not use Watcher ability on the claimed Faction Cop (I was claimed in the hood)?
And then she's pushing my result as if i helped her catch scum, while continuously saying im the scum in the hood?

Yeah makes total sense to me! (not really)

Why would she waste her ability on the claimed faction cop of the hood. A private topic in this large a game should work together for a while before suspecting each other as you are the best support for each other.

[Wayward Thinker]

Okay, but you had no idea that you would get redirected. You are blaming Kling for not knowing you might be redirected. What is she psychic or something?

[Wayward Thinker]

Okay, but you had no idea that you would get redirected. You are blaming Kling for not knowing you might be redirected. What is she psychic or something?

Directed at Luna. Sorry, forgot everyone would post so quickly between them
Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

luna what is the game plan here. All I here in the posts is about your hood, your hood. So what can we do about it. If you think there is scum I would suggest solving it internally because it is hard for us to scum hunt something we cannot see, but a lot of the posts in this game relate back to your hood.
~Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

Wayward race claim in your next post if you don't want to be lynched or you want to admit to have not read the game.

Why would I need to do that? I am not in Luna's PT otherwise. I would not be fighting about it here if that was the case.

[Wayward Thinker]

luna what is the game plan here. All I here in the posts is about your hood, your hood. So what can we do about it. If you think there is scum I would suggest solving it internally because it is hard for us to scum hunt something we cannot see, but a lot of the posts in this game relate back to your hood.
~Suz

That klingly's play is inconsistent with her mind.

Then push him. Kling has a very distinctive meta for getting caught as scum.

[Wayward Thinker]

Why can't you vote her today? Make a promise?

Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

Because i promised i wouldnt lynch anyone in the hood today.

But...I....uh...Why are spending all day fighting about this then?

Ever want to pull your hair out? I just read 35 pages and half of them were on the private topic and this is where they end...
Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

Sounds like a toxic atmosphere. I would probably cry to be honest if that was happening to me.

.......................
If nothing else, I would be interested to see how kling responds to pressure.
VOTE: Kling
Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

I will look into it and see what the initial problem was and how it was ended

[Wayward Thinker]

Also I want WT to post at least before we end the day or whatever, don't quickhammer again.

Sorry hoped my other half would make an appearance and thought if I did not post I could draw them out. It was a miscalculation on my part as it did not work. You have my attention this phase at least. Sorry for the difficulty. I shall carry the hydra and catch up. Again my apologises.

~Suz

[Wayward Thinker]

flavor checks are not equal to alignemnet checks

its not usefull for scum hunting. they can help for confirming and denying claims and sorting others though

While they are not equal I wonder if they do serve some value. While it would be a risky game move to assume people belong to x faction based on their flavour which I assume you are talking about nation and whatnot. I think it is fair to use that as a reference to whether or not someone could be town. This would allow you to push in the right direction, but it is not enough to damn them to a lynch. Therefore, I think it is unfair to remove the possibility that it might be useful.

that may be true there may be an undead or vamp or nos on team Wulden

I thought that Wulden was a race as opposed to a team. I had assumed, perhaps now foolishly, that all the wulden one group.

[Wayward Thinker]

@Nosferatu (the player), WT & rb:

Can I please get a read list from each of you ASAP? No explanation needed if you don't want to explain the reads. Just a naked list would do for now. Thanks in advance.

Your request for a reads list has been received. I will try to toss one together for you. I am uncertain what a reads list should look like in this game so it might be in degrees of towniness. Hope that works okay.

[Wayward Thinker]

I meant the mafia team called Wulden which is mostly wulden but could have some others just like team insolationist is mostly nos but had a vamp in it.

Trying to keep up, that makes sense. I needed something concrete to hold on to so in my mind I just placed all people of the wulden race together as enemy.

[Wayward Thinker]

VOTE: bacde

You realize I'm basically innoed right?

By nature of me being in the undead faction group that was confirmed to be townsided

and confirmed to only have undead or possibly wulden in it

and now being confirmed to be undead?

I believe that we are suggesting in this game that your race says little about your alignment, rather it just gives a jumping off point in order to make cases.

[Wayward Thinker]

I'm here if anyone wants to talk to me. I am working on a reads list for Almost.

[Wayward Thinker]

Order of towniness:
14. Wake88
Heartless
12. davesaz
16. No Retreat (Nero Cain + Yume)
27. Toogeloo
17. A Song of Ice and Fire (Frozen Angel + Firebringer)
25. TheWayItEnds
28. RachMarie
23. Expedience
20. Rb
7. Almost50
26. DrippingGoofball
15. Tim (Iecerint + ActionDan)
8. Nosferatu
3. Bacde

[Wayward Thinker]

As long as you are sure you are both the same. I will accept that I missed the Mason claim.

~Suz

Order of towniness:
14. Wake88
RachMarie
Heartless
12. davesaz
16. No Retreat (Nero Cain + Yume)
27. Toogeloo
17. A Song of Ice and Fire (Frozen Angel + Firebringer)
25. TheWayItEnds
23. Expedience
20. Rb
7. Almost50
26. DrippingGoofball
15. Tim (Iecerint + ActionDan)
8. Nosferatu
3. Bacde

[Wayward Thinker]

Hi guys, I'm back from vacation and have no idea what's going on but this:

Could there have been something like a lover effect? Since we don't have all the info? It would explain why so many deaths. Especially over N 1?

PEDIT

I CALL BS Bacde

I checked on RAM last night his heavy championing level of white knighting on our lynch target bothered me he came back nosterefuru or or whatever it is

So only way I could have visited Luna is if RAM killed her and took me along for the ride

VOTE: bacde

is unacceptable. I've never been one to really keep track of events and logically figure stuff out based on claims, but this just looks shady af to me. Where is the Scum hunting in this post? I am just not seeing it here. Kinda one of those shoot first ask questions later type of things. Not liking it.

To rb:

I understand your concern on us, I do, but honestly those two slots have never been the kind I interact with much as Town. I've played a game or two with the players of RAM and never much interacted with them much, I can link games. Same goes for Ceph.. they are just people I don't usually interact with much. I'm not quite sure who the last member of the RAM head is, but I know I have played with Drixx and Cerb as that hydra twice. I have played 2 games with that hydra I think and one of them was the only game I played with Ceph. I don't generally get out of the newbie game queue much and I have little experience with big large games like this one, just to let you know where I am coming from.

[Wayward Thinker]

In a 6 person hood, I don't think there'd be 2 wulden scum spying on them. That seems a bit much. Also a50 claimed northern tribes faction, so he's not there.

p-edit: It's possible. That said, since if both were scum, they'd be scum of the same faction (wulden), if he wanted to save Bcade, then that would make LLD town. Which is I think is less likely than not. If I was going to lynch any, I would lynch Bcade first though.

We lynch LLD today, or I will throw a shit-fit.

And by shit-fit, I mean throwing this game into chaos until players come to their senses and lynch the other Scum faction player.

I can legit say I hate this. It has nothing to do with LLD flipping or not, but threatening to throw the game into chaos because you don't get your way is very childish.

[Wayward Thinker]

I think ASOIAF is major Sus and think they were culted. I have similar feelings for Rach and I wouldn't be surprised if Bacde was with them.

[Wayward Thinker]

These last 3 posts were done by LQ.

[Wayward Thinker]

Last 5 posts were LQ.

[Wayward Thinker]

uhh you know Im voting bacde and masons with wake, right?

yeah, I do. A bus was done once this game, it cam be done again.

[Wayward Thinker]

And I'm not ok with a No Retreat lynch.

[Wayward Thinker]

do you think bacde is scum or not

and why

cuase your attacking the only case on him which apear to be shit but not illogical and trash and your calling him bussed at the same time

~Ice

I am Scum reading Bacde as Wulden. So either Bacde got swapped with someone or they recruited Rach. IDGAF if Rach says they never bus. I've seen others say the same (and were being honest) but they bussed their Teammate anyways.

[Wayward Thinker]

WTF he is undead scum

I got the result just like I did on Titus and RAM

his race is undead he was with the undead faction as a wulden SPY duh are you doubting Luna our cop?

I don't think undead are Scum anymore, sorry. The spy shit was just WIFOM IMO.

[Wayward Thinker]

that was @WT

and I told this to rb before

I don't appreciate your naked "he seems sus" . come at me with something I can response to. this is just throwing mud around. no I'm not culted.

talking about cults and stuff

rb is one of the people who is concerning me, he is not solid in his stanse like we have it boyz let get them all ruined tone. he seems shie and carefull and I'm really worried a scum faction got him already.

I chnaged my mind on both dgb and heartless. I don't like wake mason claim cuase if its legit we had a 5 people meson neighborhood and another 2 people human one(if 2) which is crazy in first view , but I guess there might be a way for it to be legit and I like to trust this guess.

I was wrong in calling bacde innicent as I claimed before. i asn't thinking about the possibility for an undead spy in wulden faction. its just not an aspect I wanna push today when we must find cult if there is any. plus I think math was really really white knighting LLD and buddying me to maybe put bacde at a weaker place.

You are coming at things from a different angle since Day 1 IMO.

What do you think of heartless now?

I don't think I will be voting wake all game.

[Wayward Thinker]

@Luna: who are you scumreading outside of your Night result?

I do have a scumread in my hood which i mentioned.

Outside of that i have no idea rn im townreading a lot of ppl.
I'm pretty much trying to figure out who's trying to lynch us based on our win condition, because they're more than likely either scum or at least... opposing our faction.

There you go Luna's OWN WORDS

scum in the undead hood

undead scum spy for the wulden faction

Not going to believe than since IIRC not everyone in the hood was on board with that.

[Wayward Thinker]

what do you mean I'm coming from a different angel

I'm trying my best to sort the remaining players with all the info its here

I really liked heartless today post and I believe there is an effort behind it. and when I reviewed dgb I can see she was always correct on her reads which is unsatleing but I don't wanna think her as a busser right now cuase that was a crazy scum play.

never just give a free pass for any shit. that claim needs to get sorted like others. this is not a mini normal game. although as I said I believe its true.

Can't explain the different angle thing, its a gut read.

"I'm trying my best empathise with me" sounds like AtE to me.

Never rule something out because its "crazy" that's just bad form. Then you contradict yourself saying you never give a free pass. What do you call not wanting to think dgb isn't a busser is? I think dgb is Town fwiw.

[Wayward Thinker]

so you are going to ignore our town cop?

you are going to ignore the masons?

who will you listen to?

I'm going to talk things over with my hydra partner before I throw out a vote.

[Wayward Thinker]

I don't care about your gut and no one else should

no one in MS (maybe beside RC) cant read me with gut. This is a proven fact ask others.

and no I'm not giving anyone a free pass

i don't like toog calling "low hanging fruit" or you saying "I can't see myself voting wake the whole game" stop being so fualty and play the momentum

wake up

this is a cult game.

and I always ATE. thats my thing. I am an emotional creep

and about DGB you asked about my heartless read I just explained all my new reads including heartless and dgb. previously in this day I said I want dgb dead but now I think she is town becuase of her votes.

now why are you town reading her?

Kling does AtE as well and said in a game I was in that only one person could read them. I claimed they were scum all game long that game and I was right, so sorry, when people say "only X player can read me" I don't buy that shit one bit. I was also recently in a game with Thor665 and if you know anything about his meta you would know what

he

thinks about people reading him. I read him Scum day 1 (granted I had him as a null/scum read) and continued the read stronger day 2 and we had a perfect game as Town in a newbie minus a NK. Don't talk to me about what can't be done and save yourself the trouble.

plus why are you not ok with a no retreat lynch?

[Wayward Thinker]

No Retreat is Gut, deal with it.

[Wayward Thinker]

whats your point

you don't know my fucking meta so stop using someone else meta here. and no I'm not scum. and I can't have one fucking game without someone attacking me for being emotional me.

but whatever.

Your whole reads are gut. are you even trying to explain your reads or are they just fake

Nope, they are not fake. When I try to explain no one listens because I look at things that most people don't even consider, I am an anomaly like that.

The more you cry the more I think you are Scum, JFYI.

[Wayward Thinker]

>.>

I literally have no comment

I always considered my self a player who is always pointing out on stuff who I can't explain and no one will consider them. where did I rejected your reads?

At least just fucking categorize your other reads so we can interact about them or discuss my reads with me >.>

and your wrong about me, this is just typical reactionary emotional me and I'm always like this town or scum. At least that's how everyone else described it so far.

I did more than you can imagine in this game fore town and I won't let you dirt me up for some shit crap and bitter my time here in my last mafia game .

My apologies.

[Wayward Thinker]

Rb is confbiasing me super hard. I have yet to see a decent case on me accept "vibes".

[Wayward Thinker]

Case and point, rb is confbiasing me, not reevaluating my slot at all. I was inactive because I had no internet access the whole entire time. I never posted elsewhere during that time as well, feel free to check this.

I actually think rb is being genuine in their posts.. its unlikely they were recruited by anyone. That said, based on discussion today, I remembered that all factions can recruit, which means that Rach could in fact have been recruited by Bacde. Undecided where I stand on Bacde atm, but they could be any number of things, scum included. Kling flaked this game and I was Scum reading them pretty hard before I left. I still think there is a better chance than average that the Kling slot is Scum.

I think that Cult have another recruitment method besides targeting humans, but I have no idea how many shots of this they have. They could have just one like every other faction, or they could have more, IDK.

Me, sorry.

[Wayward Thinker]

in b4 someone else says bacde is telling pretty much the whole truth accept that they are the wulden spy.

VOTE: bacde

Me, again, sorry, again.

[Wayward Thinker]

I don't understand why this has to be a Black or White thing. This game is already convoluted enough. To quote Boromir, "One simply does not simply have a Scum or Town read on every player in this game."

That is what is making this game so difficult. We are spending a lot of our hydra time talking about how to read and understand people and the game.

[Wayward Thinker]

Lynch dav when I'm gone, that vote was really opportunistic.

[Wayward Thinker]

We have 11 days left in the day... 11. I am not getting why I am going to be lynched with 10 days left in the day.

This game is really hard to keep track of. I have things going on... I had no idea this game was going to be so complex, honestly.

I'll claim tomorrow.