STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Reasonably Rational]

@Titus - Scum votes were halved, so wouldn't a traitor vote stand out if it were on Mastin, you or NC?

~Drixx

[Yume]

I believe they did make some sort of kill, but it didn't go through. If they targeted me with it, I am permanently bp. If they targeted someone else, that person was protected by a doc.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I want to be like you Yumi...... you should clone yourself

NC
its possible the shot a BP on night 1 or ran into something that stop their kill
there some odd roles going on so I wouldn't be surprised if that what happened

[MagnaofIllusion]

yume stop hiding flips

Stop telling her what to do. She's doing what absolutely makes sense from her informed perspective and you not understanding because of your perspective doesn't mean it is bad play.

[kraskaesque]

what i don't see is why scum have made NO KILLS. does it have something to do with the cluster event? were they blocked, or protected?

looks like it
i looked at the OP of the previous game and they had like standard double kills per night. dont understand wtf is going on here

[Titus]

@Titus - Scum votes were halved, so wouldn't a traitor vote stand out if it were on Mastin, you or NC?

~Drixx

I am supposing the traitor lied and did not actually vote there. The "vote" would be a signal that says to scum, "Hey I am Jasper"

[Titus]

I believe they did make some sort of kill, but it didn't go through. If they targeted me with it, I am permanently bp. If they targeted someone else, that person was protected by a doc.

I am BP as well though.

[Not Chara]

I want to be like you Yumi...... you should clone yourself

NC
its possible the shot a BP on night 1 or ran into something that stop their kill
there some odd roles going on so I wouldn't be surprised if that what happened

i wouldn't be either. but that it happened two nights in a row is what makes me wonder about it being purposeful.
still, it's more likely they were just messed with in some way. Yume being a kill target also would make sense.

[kraskaesque]

yume stop hiding flips

Stop telling her what to do. She's doing what absolutely makes sense from her informed perspective and you not understanding because of your perspective doesn't mean it is bad play.

what was the point of hiding math's flip? what was the point of hiding the scum flip? lycan and i thought this was def a scum ability on night 1 bc why the crap would town deprive town from info from a scum flip

[Not Chara]

I believe they did make some sort of kill, but it didn't go through. If they targeted me with it, I am permanently bp. If they targeted someone else, that person was protected by a doc.

I am BP as well though.

you claimed that (well, hinted) day 1. i don't think you would have been targeted.
but i think we've reached the points we can get to with this discussion right now.

[Reasonably Rational]

her play doesn't make sense as a group scum. it makes sense as someone going for a third party win condition.
her play in our topic is some next-level effort considering the only player she can convince with it is me.

if farside is scum, then her claim is not her mod-provided fakeclaim. unless you think Varsoon gave scum a third party fakeclaim? if that's your theory, i could listen.
assuming Varsoon wouldn't do so: it's quite a gambit as scum to avoid claiming one's own fakeclaim in favour of claiming a messy third party.

i can see why Yume made that play. what i don't see is why scum have made NO KILLS. does it have something to do with the cluster event? were they blocked, or protected?

That's why I am pondering whether Farside would run that sort of Gambit. Varsoon explicitly told us that he handcrafted safe fake claims for scum BEFORE he made town roles so that they would hold up. Here's the reality though Not Chara:

1.) Voting you was her idea.
2.) The idea that it would "mechanically clear" both of you was her idea.
3.) Instead of waiting to get all the vote claims, the idea that you two were conftown got pushed, and that idea originated with her.

That's either

really

town, or

really

scum. You want to bet the game on it being the first?

~Drixx

P-Edit: I see what you mean Titus. That makes total sense given SC's flip. That said, isn't there a super obvious person who is almost certainly the traitor we're looking for?

[Titus]

her play doesn't make sense as a group scum. it makes sense as someone going for a third party win condition.
her play in our topic is some next-level effort considering the only player she can convince with it is me.

if farside is scum, then her claim is not her mod-provided fakeclaim. unless you think Varsoon gave scum a third party fakeclaim? if that's your theory, i could listen.
assuming Varsoon wouldn't do so: it's quite a gambit as scum to avoid claiming one's own fakeclaim in favour of claiming a messy third party.

i can see why Yume made that play. what i don't see is why scum have made NO KILLS. does it have something to do with the cluster event? were they blocked, or protected?

Farside was more or less trapped by the ascetic revelation.

She couldn't claim town ascetic without explaining WHY she never went after DGB or Klingon or Math. So, being third party makes more sense. It also justifies her exploding a chunk full of bps.

[Reasonably Rational]

yume stop hiding flips

Stop telling her what to do. She's doing what absolutely makes sense from her informed perspective and you not understanding because of your perspective doesn't mean it is bad play.

what was the point of hiding math's flip? what was the point of hiding the scum flip? lycan and i thought this was def a scum ability on night 1 bc why the crap would town deprive town from info from a scum flip

Think about what has been said. You already know why the flips are delayed, if you've read the game. I'm assuming Titus either already knows or will soon know that it's a two edged sword.

~Drixx

[Titus]

her play doesn't make sense as a group scum. it makes sense as someone going for a third party win condition.
her play in our topic is some next-level effort considering the only player she can convince with it is me.

if farside is scum, then her claim is not her mod-provided fakeclaim. unless you think Varsoon gave scum a third party fakeclaim? if that's your theory, i could listen.
assuming Varsoon wouldn't do so: it's quite a gambit as scum to avoid claiming one's own fakeclaim in favour of claiming a messy third party.

i can see why Yume made that play. what i don't see is why scum have made NO KILLS. does it have something to do with the cluster event? were they blocked, or protected?

That's why I am pondering whether Farside would run that sort of Gambit. Varsoon explicitly told us that he handcrafted safe fake claims for scum BEFORE he made town roles so that they would hold up. Here's the reality though Not Chara:

1.) Voting you was her idea.
2.) The idea that it would "mechanically clear" both of you was her idea.
3.) Instead of waiting to get all the vote claims, the idea that you two were conftown got pushed, and that idea originated with her.

That's either

really

town, or

really

scum. You want to bet the game on it being the first?

~Drixx

P-Edit: I see what you mean Titus. That makes total sense given SC's flip. That said, isn't there a super obvious person who is almost certainly the traitor we're looking for?

You meant the ascetic miller? Or the ascetic party exploder? Too much here

[farside22]

her play doesn't make sense as a group scum. it makes sense as someone going for a third party win condition.
her play in our topic is some next-level effort considering the only player she can convince with it is me.

if farside is scum, then her claim is not her mod-provided fakeclaim. unless you think Varsoon gave scum a third party fakeclaim? if that's your theory, i could listen.
assuming Varsoon wouldn't do so: it's quite a gambit as scum to avoid claiming one's own fakeclaim in favour of claiming a messy third party.

i can see why Yume made that play. what i don't see is why scum have made NO KILLS. does it have something to do with the cluster event? were they blocked, or protected?

That's why I am pondering whether Farside would run that sort of Gambit. Varsoon explicitly told us that he handcrafted safe fake claims for scum BEFORE he made town roles so that they would hold up. Here's the reality though Not Chara:

1.) Voting you was her idea.
2.) The idea that it would "mechanically clear" both of you was her idea.
3.) Instead of waiting to get all the vote claims, the idea that you two were conftown got pushed, and that idea originated with her.

That's either

really

town, or

really

scum. You want to bet the game on it being the first?

~Drixx

P-Edit: I see what you mean Titus. That makes total sense given SC's flip. That said, isn't there a super obvious person who is almost certainly the traitor we're looking for?

Someone that shall not be named didn't want to wait till claims.
The rest is accurate

[Yume]

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[TheFuzzylogic99]

its seems odd to have two bp,...it makes it extremely hard for scum to win.....I would imagine that scum would have to have a way to counter this ,,,,,,,maybe I am missing something

[Not Chara]

ok, i've come to a decision.
DGB is lying about being ascetic. mod-confirmed to me. is that enough for us to lynch her?

fuzzy: scum absolutely have a Strongman ability, or something similar.

[Creature]

I hate that lack of vigilante.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

can you give more detail NC?????

[Not Chara]

can you give more detail NC?????

on which part?
if it's about two town BPs, then i explained how that would be balanced.

if it's about my claim, i'm not giving any more information. she isn't ascetic.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Sorry I just go on your so called word,,,,,,,,

[Reasonably Rational]

its seems odd to have two bp,...it makes it extremely hard for scum to win.....I would imagine that scum would have to have a way to counter this ,,,,,,,maybe I am missing something

ok, i've come to a decision.
DGB is lying about being ascetic. mod-confirmed to me. is that enough for us to lynch her?

fuzzy: scum absolutely have a Strongman ability, or something similar.

Guys please go read the stress mechanics.

~Drixx

[Not Chara]

i'm aware of the stress mechanics. however, i don't think they alone would be enough to balance two town bulletproofs. the stress mechanics are there for balance themselves. scum only get that Strongman shot if they've

really

been taking a lot of hits.

this discussion is also kind of pointless because both Yume and Titus are conftown. i was just answering fuzzy.

[Not Chara]

Sorry I just go on your so called word,,,,,,,,

well yes, but my going into detail would still just be 'my word', and unnecessary information.