STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[mastin2]

One of them is something we asked Yume to relay to Mastin yesterday.

Bug Yume to either post, or repost, this, because I don't remember what it is you're talking about.

[Reasonably Rational]

Also, can you explain your "so strong I'm willing to discuss things that should be kept away from scum in his presence" townread on shiro Titus?

That was the main cause of the disagreement regarding alliances I had with Drixx. If we're not going to be taking advantage of the hood to discuss sensitive things because not all parties are trusted by one another, then it's better to use that opportunity for hunting instead.

Do you have any more tangible reason for the shiro townread than you gave before?
-Cerb

Pedit: @Yume, did you miss my remark or are you just ignoring it?

Shiro was pushed by Math and Farside.
The 180 on Almost seemed rather townie.
Shiro isn't lock town, but I feel comfortable enough discussing things with them.
Shiro has been acting more like our New York game than his scum game.

The only minor reservation I have is their recent play. It's very minor though.

Him being pushed by math and farside are terrible reasons to townread him, given one flipped town, and the other is a preflip associative. I'll reevaluate the 180 on almost and see if it made sense for scum to do so at the time, amd then determine if the way he did it was townie or scum.

Their recent play is crap.

(Yes, it's 3 PM. Blame my mom for hogging the computer for basically three hours. But I'm here.)

Also, can whoever controls this delayed flip thing (because OBVIOUSLY someone directly controls it, or else mathblades flip wouldn't have happened in the middle of the night)

Point of clarity, that was actually because of a dialog with Varsoon.

One best not left disclosed.

Welcome mastin. Please share many thoughts. Also, *cough* I , eh, I told you so.

:p

Interesting note about the conversation with Varsoon leading to the flip in the middle of the night, but it's not really important, what is important is our knowledge that flips CAN be revealed before the start of the next phase, and Yume's refusal to do so in order to obscure her already obscured win condition.

-Cerb

[mastin2]

Congrats to Titus for helping the scum team hide.

If you are town, Titus is not the player I would say this for.
Because, uh, yeah.

I want to think you are scum so badly for this.
Really, I do.

I really, really do.
Because my life would be SO much simpler if the person who has been obstructing us the whole. fucking. game. Was just scum, rather than town in the way.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally, I do.
And, dammit! There's lots of good reasons for you to be scum!
There's a lot of things which make you look incredibly bad and I SO want you to be scum because of them.

But no matter how hard I try.
I just can't see myself thinking you're actually scum.
Something tells me you're just another mislynch in the making, that was offered on a silver platter to the scum.

I'll be looking at the wagon on you (which I caught there being) when I get to the relevant point, and crossreferencing it with my notes on SirCakez and Mathblade. (Spoiler alert: scum bussed SirCakez HARD. I'd have to check my notes, but I

believe

there's a more even spread in regards to Mathblade, with a

slight

lean towards them being off the wagon.)

[Reasonably Rational]

@Yume: please remind mastin of the first sentence of post 84 from our pt.

-Cerb

[mastin2]

@MoI, You have the ok. We just are not lynching ANYONE until the beach claims resolve, no matter how right I am convinced I am. We need to do the math.

Ok sounds good.
VOTE: Farside

By the way, just sayin'.
I absolutely hate you.

I don't exactly have a lot of experience with Killthestory, but I was townreading him enough where I wasn't really bothering to read him.
Now, you.
You, I know I can't read. There's a damn good reason I policy-cop you whenever I have that power. (Hmm, probably shouldn't have said that considering I won the beach event, but oh well.)
And, dammit.

I'm scumreading your posts, in spite of me trying not to.
Thus, why I hate you.

[mastin2]

since Mastin has posted less and less

Fine with this, btw. I've had personality changes over the course of the game. On D1, I felt better than me. On D2, I felt different from me, but not necessarily better. Today, I just feel like me, mastina. Which, mind you, isn't a bad thing. It's just, well, a thing. The magical energy I had on D1 isn't around, and it's not because of real-life struggles, though those certainly don't help things.

Since this is related to mafia games, can't exactly talk about it on my blog, but I would if I could, about that feeling.

That being said

, I do have contributions to make! mastina still gives relevant thoughts, working behind the scenes quite a bit. On D1, I was pretty much all "out here", in the open. D2 remained largely open. But here, D3, I'm largely holding back. Yet, in spite of holding back, I think I have relevant content to share. Namely, my scumreads. (I've more or less told Yume that Yume's free to share anything I've said in there to Titus, and I do mean anything, including my VCA and my scumreads and my basic thoughts. I narrowed things down to a pool of six, and that was pre-beach. With the beach event, I'm hoping for some further refinement, but since I don't know if we've finished the claims yet, I'll wait.)

[Titus]

Congrats to Titus for helping the scum team hide.

If you are town, Titus is not the player I would say this for.
Because, uh, yeah.

I want to think you are scum so badly for this.
Really, I do.

I really, really do.
Because my life would be SO much simpler if the person who has been obstructing us the whole. fucking. game. Was just scum, rather than town in the way.
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally, I do.
And, dammit! There's lots of good reasons for you to be scum!
There's a lot of things which make you look incredibly bad and I SO want you to be scum because of them.

But no matter how hard I try.
I just can't see myself thinking you're actually scum.
Something tells me you're just another mislynch in the making, that was offered on a silver platter to the scum.

I'll be looking at the wagon on you (which I caught there being) when I get to the relevant point, and crossreferencing it with my notes on SirCakez and Mathblade. (Spoiler alert: scum bussed SirCakez HARD. I'd have to check my notes, but I

believe

there's a more even spread in regards to Mathblade, with a

slight

lean towards them being off the wagon.)

Not my conclusion at all. I am out for awhile in a bit, so please feel free to take yor time to explain like the whole post please. I just cannot see your perspective.

[mastin2]

It's TWIE's fault LOL he forgot to mention it in the PT

This excuse works a lot better when moderators don't send you reminder PMs as Varsoon obsessively does.
This is also the second time you have used this excuse. First, to justify not allying with Titus. And now, this.

Just sayin'.

[Reasonably Rational]

It's TWIE's fault LOL he forgot to mention it in the PT

This excuse works a lot better when moderators don't send you reminder PMs as Varsoon obsessively does.
This is also the second time you have used this excuse. First, to justify not allying with Titus. And now, this.

Just sayin'.

Minor correction here...there were no reminder pms for the Beachapalooza. At least, I didn't receive one.

That doesn't excuse not voting, but just sayin'.

-Cerb

[Titus]

I am pretty sure there's a boatload of scum in those that didn't vote the top three choices. Seems deliberate.

[mastin2]

(but the again I had Mastina pegged for a totally different character and thus a totally different role than this Centipeetle thing which I don't even know if it's Town to begin with).

Thus, miller!
But still confirmed town, thanks to my episode event.

[mastin2]

Farside22 (7)

SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion,

TheWayItEnds

, DrippingGoofball,

Creature

Did I mention I'm not a fan of the farside wagon?

'Cause, uh, yeah.
Removed the names which're town. Strike = strongly believe to be town but not absolutely sure; underline = weakly believe to be town as a townread but could be convinced otherwise.
I'm dead serious about Magna by the way: if anyone has

anything

they'd like to share about him which would make me feel better (aside from him being in the KTS slot), I'd love to have it so that I could actually write him off and not bother getting a read on him.
'Cause, uh, yeah. As-is. He's someone I desperately want to be alignment confirmed one way or another.

[mastin2]

What I don't get is why we are lynching you over scum hiding among the lurkers/sheep

^This is pretty much my thoughts on the matter.

farside looks really bad.
I don't think she's scum.
I want to lynch scum.

If farside has a third party wincon that fucks over the town, I won't blame farside, nor will I blame the town for letting it happen, nor will I blame the scum for letting it happen. I will write a very fucking long rant to Varsoon about not learning his damn lesson.
If farside has a third party wincon that doesn't fuck the town over...why bother?
If farside IS town...why bother?

It's only if farside is scum that we bother.
And I don't believe she is.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Drixx, MoI knows precisely what we are talking about.

@RR Actually, he does know about that thing, I believe.

And still not doing it.

Okay. It's your call. Surprised KTS was in the loop but whatevs. We'll make it work.

~Drixx

Pretty sure this *should* somewhat resolve your concern with MoI, though it does just bring up new concerns.

-Cerb

[mastin2]

Almost, definitely not. Rational, probably not. all Skybird really has going for her is her PT with Steven. i would pick that.
are we done getting all of the beachapalooza claims?

More or less, though I don't think I claimed.

Obviously, I voted for myself.

[Not Chara]

thank you, mastin.
pedit: it's very funny that you answered this as i was thanking you for something entirely different.

[mastin2]

RR: it's been called a permanent alliance, so that's how i'm treating it.

I caught wind of this being mod corrected, but if not:
I'm self-correcting it.
I've said this every fucking day but people keep on forgetting it for some weird reason.

It's NOT an alliance.
It's a masonry.
It does not count as an alliance.
It does not function in any way shape nor form as an alliance.
Hell.
Even the topic we have doesn't work like an alliance, thanks to being active full-time, day and night.

[mastin2]

@Drixx, Yume insists it's an alliance.

Yume is wrong. It is not called an alliance. It does not function as an alliance. This is my damn power we're talking about. Since Yume revealed as Steven, I can tell you this publicly now: my event (Monster Reunion, natch) was to gain a topic with Steven Universe, that would last for the whole game. In that topic, I would be mod-confirmed town to Steven Universe.

Since coordinating with the protagonist and knowing who they are, and having THEM know I was town, all seemed like good ideas, this is why I triggered it as soon as possible. But it's a TOPIC. Not an ALLIANCE. Topic. My damn ability! I know the wording in my PM, and it specifically said topic. Not alliance.

[mastin2]

yume stop hiding flips

From what Yume told me: Mathblade was not Yume's fault.
Varsoon

assumed

Yume wanted Mathblade's flip hidden, Yume told Varsoon "No, I didn't?", and that's why the flip occurred early, during the night, because it was mod error of sorts.

That's more or less what I picked up from what Yume said to me, at the least. Yume can feel free to correct this.

[farside22]

That was to farside.

Oh. Okay. I thought you were upset because I keep badgering you about the flip.

@Farside: it's moderately logical to want to lynch you. A lot of your behaviors have been distinctly anti-town. The strongest point(s) in your favor are you not shooting your counterwagon to save yourself, and the fact that you outright claimed to be aiming for a 3p win condition when you didn't have any reason to make that claim.

Unfortunately though, those things are balanced by the fact that that you insist on aiming for that third party win condition, rather thatshat an attempting to win with town, when said win condition will essentially give scum a free kill. Yes, it's better for you personally, but now that you've outed it, it's best for you to just play for town...but you don't want to do that. :/

-Cerb

Your not voting dgb.
Sooooo....
You think I should do it all?
Sorry, no

[mastin2]

(Also, btw, this is why I was ranting about Skybird, for some obvious reasons. Now that everyone knows I got to be with Steven Universe AGAIN, with me ironically as Centipeedle*, and this time as absolute confirmed town, you can imagine my rather livid reaction upon learning that there was

another

person who got to be with Steven Universe AT THE SAME TIME. Except, Skybird's was apparently an alliance, whereas mine isn't.)

*V did appreciate the humor and wanted to comment on the ranting I was doing against him, but for obvious reasons, couldn't.

[farside22]

Oh, so Titus tunneling a dead townie is a sin that should burn in hell, but her defending a scum player whole day is totally right thing to do and shouldn't be questioned at all Like, really....?

I never said that.
I just see why I have to cave into someone else's read.

Also, she was wrong and yet she still continued to act like some deity who can't be wrong, despite there being a flip that proves she was wrong.

That's your view.
Where is your scum read? Who do you see as scum?
Do I lynch myself because Titus says so? That's basically it.
I'm not scum, so why should I follow that? It's on me, so me looking for scum with a wagon on me makes sense.

[Reasonably Rational]

That was to farside.

Oh. Okay. I thought you were upset because I keep badgering you about the flip.

@Farside: it's moderately logical to want to lynch you. A lot of your behaviors have been distinctly anti-town. The strongest point(s) in your favor are you not shooting your counterwagon to save yourself, and the fact that you outright claimed to be aiming for a 3p win condition when you didn't have any reason to make that claim.

Unfortunately though, those things are balanced by the fact that that you insist on aiming for that third party win condition, rather thatshat an attempting to win with town, when said win condition will essentially give scum a free kill. Yes, it's better for you personally, but now that you've outed it, it's best for you to just play for town...but you don't want to do that. :/

-Cerb

Your not voting dgb.
Sooooo....
You think I should do it all?
Sorry, no

I didn't ask you to do anything in particular? My point was that you just keep going on about how you're just going to go for your alternate win condition instead of trying to win with the town, when it doesn't make any sense for you to do that now that it's been outed.

And I'm not voting for dgb because if you do use your vote thing to lynch her, I want it to cost you as much as possible.

-Cerb

[mastin2]

Rational: mastin (+1)
Skybird: mastin (+1)
Almost: mastin (+1)
Mastin: self (+3)
Yume: mastin (+1)
total: 7

Chara: self (+3)
Farside: Chara (+2)
total: 5

Titus: self (+3)
Kraska: Titus (+1)
Xkfyu: Titus (+1)
Grapes: Titus (+1)
total: 6

Shiro: none
Snarky: none
DGB: none
Random: none
Fuzzy: none (didn't answer?)
TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step
Magna: voted Rational
Shadow step: Almost
Fire: Rational

McMenno: self

So...we're assuming, at this point: three groupscum and one traitor.
The traitor, by necessity, could not have voted Not Chara, Titus, or me. They don't know how scum are voting, so they cannot coordinate a vote. Most likely, they submit a no-vote, identical to the worthless votes in analysis.
By necessity, one groupscum would also be in that group.
Two scum players could coordinate their votes onto a player in the top three, but only one of them would be able to claim being there; the other would be forced to claim none.
This means:

Exactly one scum in:

RR/Skybird/Almost50/NotChara/farside22/kraska/Xkfyu/grapes.
(NOTE: two becomes possible if, and ONLY if, there's four groupscum.)

Exactly three scum in:

Shiro/Snarky/DGB/randomidget/fuzzylogic/TWIE/Creature/Magna/Shadow_step/Firebringer.

I have thoughts on both groups, and I do need to cross-reference this with my notes on my analysis.

But I strongly believe that the scum in the first group is kraskaesque. VERY strongly. And that the other names there are all town. (This is a combination of a very serious scumread on kraskaesque, and a not-scumread on literally every name there aside from kraska.)

The second group is more tricky. User feedback would be appreciated. For instance, this is largely where a player like, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, Titus comes in.

[mastin2]

Worth noting: Not Chara is confirmed as town from this.
Not Chara got 5 points.
Even if Not Chara were scum and farside were scum, that would mean they'd get 1.5 votes, and 1 vote, respectively, for it. Then, factor in scumbuddies: one scumbuddy brings the total up to 3. That's three scum voting, and you get 3 votes. Then, factor in two more. You still end up short, at only 4.

In other words, Not Chara cannot be scum, no matter what. (This is rather handy for my analysis!)
farside is, in theory, possible: her vote would be worth one point. (So, 4.) Two scumbuddies would bring that total up to five.
However, I do not think that probable.