STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[kraskaesque]

So you come back here to try and sell a case on me and snarky lol gtfo

When I'm not short on time, I can explain why. It's a combination of things. Their contributions to this game (rather, lack thereof),

some hypocrisy on their part

, flat pushes with no conviction (empty tone, essentially), plus some really bad, damning positioning in VCA.

explain the "some hypocrisy on their part" part

Why are you getting so defensive over a single vote ?

Shutup scum
There's a difference between defensive and annoyed
I had to read 4 posts of 1000+ words of fluff that can be compressed into a couple of lines if you only keep the meaningful content

[McMenno]

moi is probably a crystal gem

there I said it

I'm content with the dgb wagon, although bonus points if kraska brings up "mastin was wrong about mathblade too"

[Shadow_step]

You shut up stupid tunnel fuck

[kraskaesque]

Not to mention that her conclusions were me and snarky are scum

Pedit: I'm iffy on moi, the way he's so focused on farside looks scummy because farside is the easiest "scumread" to push right now

[kraskaesque]

You shut up stupid tunnel fuck

What did you say about me you lil bench

[kraskaesque]

All the muricans are sleeping

[grapes]

shadow/kraska could be scum/scum just based on how focused they are on being pointless towards one another for no reason.

[Yume]

@mastin Weren't you gonna lynch anyone who claimed third party even if you were townreading them previously? Well, there's one right here, so vote.

[Shiro]

@Yume

Why you reveal?

[Yume]

I already revealed a long time ago.

[Shiro]

I already revealed a long time ago.

Ik, I asked why.

I mean, as I said I had hypothesized so already but still.

[Yume]

Because RR/Titus blabbered.

[Shiro]

Meeeeh. You are probably dying tonight now :/

[kraskaesque]

shadow/kraska could be scum/scum just based on how focused they are on being pointless towards one another for no reason.

What do you mean "pointless" and "for no reason"?
You do realise I've been trying to push a lynch there for idk how many weeks now and the only reason my push looks vacuous now is because I've exhausted all I have to say and people don't seem to join wagons unless I yell "x is scum" over and over

[Yume]

Meeeeh. You are probably dying tonight now :/

That ain't happening.

[kraskaesque]

I've been asked by like 5 different people to explain my scum read and every time I oblige, I hear nothing from them on the matter afterwards

[grapes]

When did meta shift to

pushing a lynch = sitting in the corner complaining every once in a while

[Shadow_step]

You shut up stupid tunnel fuck

What did you say about me you lil bench

You just keep calling me scum for no reason whatsoever and don't try to engage with me at all. Either you're dumb town or it is just convenient for you as scum.

[mastin2]

explain the "some hypocrisy on their part" part

That would be your "case" against Shadow.

I use air quotes for good reason.

[mastin2]

Why are you getting so defensive over a single vote ?

Well, to be fair.
It's a single vote by

me

.
And I know how to throw my weight around when need be.

At this stage, I'll throw it around to stop a farside lynch from happening.
I'm not actually in real objection to the DGB lynch, I just don't want to throw my support behind it either, so right now I'm doing my thing.

But, you are right.

[mastin2]

@mastin Weren't you gonna lynch anyone who claimed third party even if you were townreading them previously?

Okay, so I don't like to talk very much about this, because it makes me look insane.
And to be fair, that's because I am a little bit crazy.
But.

To be blunt.

I wasn't mastina on D2 when I said that.
That sounds unusual to say. How could I not be me? But. There is a certain attitude behind me, that makes mastina be mastina. That attitude spans across a wide array of subjects, up to and including...my stance on third parties. My stance, as mastina, on third parties, has always consistently been to leave them alone. I know that contradicts what I said yesterday! But again. When I said I wasn't me D2.
I really meant I wasn't me. I was someone else.

I just fucking RAN a game with benign third parties. Hell! My stance is to leash serial killers! In that if a person claims third party, I'll exploit them for all their worth. (I think many players have seen at least one of those two, but Drixx is the most prominent, even if that did end up backfiring because his slot was scum fakeclaiming.) My stance on third parties can be found in MD if you search my posts in there enough, and I say the same stuff there, that I don't lynch them, that I use them, that I refuse to let them die.

And while I wasn't mastina yesterday.
I AM her today, this game day.

I don't anticipate a shift in personality happening again this game, so it's me for the rest of the game. And even if one did happen, you are confirmed as Steven Universe. You aren't scum. And I want to lynch scum. Universally, across personalities, that will be my first and foremost priority. So there's no way you're getting lynched. If a shift happened, I might support a lynch on a crystal gem (especially since I don't know all of their identities), but otherwise, I'm not touching ANY of the crystal gems that I know,

yet alone

, Steven Universe.

shadow/kraska could be scum/scum just based on how focused they are on being pointless towards one another for no reason.

I did consider the option, yes!

[mastin2]

Also, RR, off of something Yume said to me in the neighborhood: I maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay know a reason why Yume doesn't want Klingoncelt's role to flip.
And if I am right (not sure, this is just me inferring something), then I not only understand the reason why, but think it might be best to keep it that way, though again, this is something I don't actually know for sure.

[farside22]

Kraska: the problem with your points on shadow are revolved around foxbird.
What about shadow reads scummy?

But a foxbird wagon is more pressing
She completely disregarded the most controversial wagons (not chara and cakes) at the time they were happening, and had convenient scumreads on lurker spots(xk and snarku). Nevermind that snarky was kinda obvious town at the time she dropped this scumread after his farside episode anyway

so that leaves a kraska/klingoncelt/RR/Snarky pool

this is so bad
and these are foxbird's reads after being caught up
omgus, no idea on klig, rr is a convenient scumread being thrown all over the place so they wont be scrutinized for not backing it up and snarky's iso looks pretty town

Why are there no votes on shadow
Foxbirds iso is oozing scum and shadows vote on creature does nothing to redeem the slot
I'll eat cardboard if this doesn't flip scum

[Reasonably Rational]

Also, RR, off of something Yume said to me in the neighborhood: I maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay know a reason why Yume doesn't want Klingoncelt's role to flip.
And if I am right (not sure, this is just me inferring something), then I not only understand the reason why, but think it might be best to keep it that way, though again, this is something I don't actually know for sure.

A reason besides the fact that her faction allegedly doesn't flip with their win cons (which, by the way, I sorta don't buy. I find it more likely that her role has the same ability the SC/Lilith hydra had in Bloodborne that is, she can redacted portions of role cards, and she's now doing that so we can't see that the gems have been lying about their win condition)? A fact which she has told the entire thread, and which thus no longer makes sense as a reason to keep the flip hidden?

Kraska: the problem with your points on shadow are revolved around foxbird.
What about shadow reads scummy?

But a foxbird wagon is more pressing
She completely disregarded the most controversial wagons (not chara and cakes) at the time they were happening, and had convenient scumreads on lurker spots(xk and snarku). Nevermind that snarky was kinda obvious town at the time she dropped this scumread after his farside episode anyway

so that leaves a kraska/klingoncelt/RR/Snarky pool

this is so bad
and these are foxbird's reads after being caught up
omgus, no idea on klig, rr is a convenient scumread being thrown all over the place so they wont be scrutinized for not backing it up and snarky's iso looks pretty town

Why are there no votes on shadow
Foxbirds iso is oozing scum and shadows vote on creature does nothing to redeem the slot
I'll eat cardboard if this doesn't flip scum

Yeah, that's the main problem I have with your case kraska. I asked you to make a case on shadow using JUST his iso, not foxbirds, and I don't believe you ever did so.

Now, making that case is going to be easier now, because as far as I can tell all he's done is respond to you tunneling him, and ignore my question about whether or not he's fully caught up, but stil, the bulk of the negative sentiment towards the slot comes from, as far as I can tell, Foxbirds exams+illness.

Something I just realized that sorta makes me want to reevaluate dgb, except for the fact that her play rarely makes sense to me, so maybe it would be a mistake to lend any weight to this: she didn't use her vote steal in a scummy way at all. Klingon regained her vote, so clearly she was capable of NOT stealing it/not revealing she could steal it...but all she did was take it early game and see who noticed the extra vote, claimed it, and then gave it back.

Why expose what is basically an I win card late game if she didn't have to? I mean sure, it's quite possibly lylo limited, but considering it requires someone ally with her, it could easily not be because it requires she be townread enough to get someone to ally with her in that situation.

-Cerb

[Yume]

Okay, I promise to flip her if you don't lynch the rest of us immediately after seeing her flip. >.<