STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Titus]

@Cerb, There is no more contradiction there than with the third party analysis. Yume just never claimed to Mastina.

[Yume]

Titus - Crying Breakfast Friend
RR - Market girl
mastin2 - Chiiips?
Skybird - Lord of the Universe
MoI - Untouchable
Xkfyu - Peridotty
randomidget - Mystery Man
Firebringer - Yellow Giraffe
farside - Someone I hate

And that's it.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Cerb, There is no more contradiction there than with the third party analysis.

Yume just never claimed to Mastina.

And that's the problem.

You're given a PT with a very good player and told she's town by the mod, and you DON'T tell her everything she should know? You don't work to coordinate and plan with her?

There's no reason to conceal that information that fits with the behavior of someone who wins with the town.

The only argument that MIGHT hold water with some is that Yume misplayed, but I know she doesn't LIKE keeping secrets, and am pretty sure she would have been overjoyed to be able to share what she knew with Mastin if doing so was guaranteed to help her achiever her win con.

-Cerb

[MagnaofIllusion]

I was going to vote Snarky but then I read Mastin’s 8167 and said – fuck that. I’m not supporting his ego-trip if he’s not going to re-adjust if it is shown that he is dead wrong.

@Titus

– other than Snarky who else can we lynch today. Because Mastin is too self-centered for me to want to let him drive the train.

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1) you can lynch someone by yourself, barring a restriction saying you can't lynch without someone else on the wagon

I thought I was positive that there was something in the rule-set specifically about no single player being able to swing a lynch by themselves but a quick spin through the rules had me come up empty.

I may be able to do a more detailed read later.

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My role PM doesn't say that

You're confscum thanks

And yet no vote of farside …

[Titus]

@Cerb, There is no more contradiction there than with the third party analysis.

Yume just never claimed to Mastina.

And that's the problem.

You're given a PT with a very good player and told she's town by the mod, and you DON'T tell her everything she should know? You don't work to coordinate and plan with her?

There's no reason to conceal that information that fits with the behavior of someone who wins with the town.

The only argument that MIGHT hold water with some is that Yume misplayed, but I know she doesn't LIKE keeping secrets, and am pretty sure she would have been overjoyed to be able to share what she knew with Mastin if doing so was guaranteed to help her achiever her win con.

-Cerb

And that's the pressure Yume is under. She almost immediately told me because I am not lynch all 3rd parties. She is protecting several other players right now, and made a choice to withhold the third party because she feared Mastina turning on them. It's a logical thing given Mastina's prior statements taken literally.

[Firebringer]

That avi really suits you Titus.

[Titus]

Titus - Crying Breakfast Friend
RR - Market girl
mastin2 - Chiiips?
Skybird - Lord of the Universe
MoI - Untouchable
Xkfyu - Peridotty
randomidget - Mystery Man
Firebringer - Yellow Giraffe
farside - Someone I hate

And that's it.

Good job.

What does Yellow Giraffe mean?

[Firebringer]

Its pretty obvi what my character is if you are familiar with the show.

[Yume]

Oh, that? That is a snarky fan nickname for Yellow Diamond, because of her long neck.

[Reasonably Rational]

No, titus.

It's not.

Mastin did not make thst statement until DAY 2!!!

There was PLENTY of time before that to tell her things.

@MoI: it's only in LYLO that such protections against a single slot lynching someone that such protections exist.

-Cerb

[Yume]

Its pretty obvi what my character is if you are familiar with the show.

The only one who uses guns would be Vidalia. However, you're definitely Yellow Giraffe. You are a troll and so is Yellow Giraffe.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I believe mastin has a neighborhood with Yume, and that as a result of that hood being created yume learned mastin was town, and mastin learned Yume was Steven.

That doesn't sound like a masonry to me, and it actually can't be a masonry, since mastin is not aware, via mod confirmation, of Yume's win condition.

Mastin disagrees with you …

It's NOT an alliance.

It's a masonry.

It does not count as an alliance.
It does not function in any way shape nor form as an alliance.
Hell.
Even the topic we have doesn't work like an alliance, thanks to being active full-time, day and night.

[Firebringer]

Its pretty obvi what my character is if you are familiar with the show.

The only one who uses guns would be Vidalia. However, you're definitely Yellow Giraffe. You are a troll and so is Yellow Giraffe.

I don't use guns.

I gift guns.

[Yume]

You are Yellow Giraffe. Admit it.

[Firebringer]

I am actually Pink Diamond.

[Titus]

No, titus.

It's not.

Mastin did not make thst statement until DAY 2!!!

There was PLENTY of time before that to tell her things.

@MoI: it's only in LYLO that such protections against a single slot lynching someone that such protections exist.

-Cerb

True, but I am presuming Yume did some minor vetting in her own way. When you claim for several people, you protect them. I understand Yume's play there and it is not a contradiction. I think Mastina and I would agree that you can try to be protown and incorrect.

@Magna, Dgb is a decent option.

[Reasonably Rational]

I believe mastin has a neighborhood with Yume, and that as a result of that hood being created yume learned mastin was town, and mastin learned Yume was Steven.

That doesn't sound like a masonry to me, and it actually can't be a masonry, since mastin is not aware, via mod confirmation, of Yume's win condition.

Mastin disagrees with you …

It's NOT an alliance.

It's a masonry.

It does not count as an alliance.
It does not function in any way shape nor form as an alliance.
Hell.
Even the topic we have doesn't work like an alliance, thanks to being active full-time, day and night.

Go back to mastins earlier statements.

She did not declare Yume conftown, AND she did not declare it a masonry, until AFTER people started calling it that.

It's not a masonry. 100%. Mastin was not told "Yume is town", therefore it is not a masonry. Mastin BELIEVES that Yume's flavor MUST be town aligned, so she assigns a town designation to the slot, but I am absolutely certain that there is no message from the moderator telling mastin that Yume wins the game the same way she does.

Stop arguing this point. You're not going to win because I'm right.

-Cerb

[Yume]

I am actually Pink Diamond.

No, you can't be. Pink Diamond is ded. You're Yellow Giraffe.

[Titus]

I believe mastin has a neighborhood with Yume, and that as a result of that hood being created yume learned mastin was town, and mastin learned Yume was Steven.

That doesn't sound like a masonry to me, and it actually can't be a masonry, since mastin is not aware, via mod confirmation, of Yume's win condition.

Mastin disagrees with you …

It's NOT an alliance.

It's a masonry.

It does not count as an alliance.
It does not function in any way shape nor form as an alliance.
Hell.
Even the topic we have doesn't work like an alliance, thanks to being active full-time, day and night.

Go back to mastins earlier statements.

She did not declare Yume conftown, AND she did not declare it a masonry, until AFTER people started calling it that.

It's not a masonry. 100%. Mastin was not told "Yume is town", therefore it is not a masonry. Mastin BELIEVES that Yume's flavor MUST be town aligned, so she assigns a town designation to the slot, but I am absolutely certain that there is no message from the moderator telling mastin that Yume wins the game the same way she does.

Stop arguing this point. You're not going to win because I'm right.

-Cerb

No. Mastina made the same assumption I did. We're both told Yume's flavor and knew there was no way Steven would EVER be a threat to town. That is akin to mod confirmation to me. Yume MUST be Steven or the moderator has lied no less than 3 times.

It is a masonry and you shading there is absolutely bullshit.

[Not Chara]

well. i think Cerb knows Yume is Steven, that isn't in dispute.
his arguing about whether Steven's win condition is completely aligned with ours.

[Titus]

well. i think Cerb knows Yume is Steven, that isn't in dispute.
his arguing about whether Steven's win condition is completely aligned with ours.

It is. There is zero sense to having Steven be a threat. The rest of the third party might be fake claims, but Yume is 100 percent protown 3p. She's told me their wincondition and it aligns.

[Reasonably Rational]

Titus, stop being obstinate.

It does not require lies on the part of the moderator for steven to have a separate win condition from town.

Telling everyone who knows that Yume is Steven just tells you flavor, not anything about the setup.

You're making assumptions BASED on flavor for the setup.

Stop it.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

It is

probable

(imo, and I think Cerb would agree) that the Crystal Gems are compatible with us. It is not something that we

know

by any stretch, nor is it something we have enough information TO know. There are other possibilities that could be in play here. Varsoon delights in coming up with new things and seeing how those new things impact the play and rhetoric of mafia. Most of you in the game have to admit that it's distinctly possible that this game is a three way brawl where each faction has its own win condition. We would be making less of an issue of ensuring that people are AWARE of this possibility if things had played out differently. Assuming the wincon for the CGs is what Yume told us it is, then there were a whole bunch of moves made that just served to make it harder to take that at face value.

I would best describe my current mindset as warily trusting. I think the flavor of the show argues for the Gems (really Steven moreso than the gems) being protective of humans and Earth; however, the flavor of the show also deals with the idea of the homeworld gems vs. the crystal gems and the collateral damage caused by their conflict, and if THAT is the particular angle this game is focusing on, then things may not be as they have been claimed.

Pointing out a possibility and saying keep it in mind is prudent. We're being prudent. I'm really quite sorry if the CG wincon is what we were told and anything we've said has offended someone who was assigned to that faction this game, but that's mafia. If you aren't actually sharing my wincon, then your wincon is secondary to me until I know, FOR SURE, that you winning doesn't mean I lose. And given that people were talking about members of a THIRD PARTY FACTION with terms like "conftown", it's prudent to point out that they may not actually be.

Can we just leave it at that? We lack the necessary hard information to really take this discussion any further. I mean ... if you guys have a different win con and feel like you want to just come clean, that would certainly let us all know where we stand relative to one another. But ... if you have the wincon we were told, we can't know that for sure until we see. If your wincon is not compatible to ours, you have every reason to hide that fact and so we come back to Prudence. We're simply being prudent.

~Drixx

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I am confused by Yuma's list. Also you forgot me Yume..I feel abandoned now

I agree with RR ....I can see Vasoon putting in several win cons.

can anyone explain why there was a reset.... was this a result of an event

[Not Chara]

it was farside's ability. when she was lynched, her lynch was overturned and the votecount was reset.