Come to think of it, this has to either be mod error or some sort of fuckery.
I mean, this pretty much confirms beyond a shadow of a doubt Almost50 and RR as town, but that's nothing we didn't already know. It also heavily implies farside as town. (Again, scum would have trouble getting Not Chara up to five votes: they HAD to commit two to me, we know this for a fact. DGB could NOT have contributed to them. We also know this for a fact, off of her role PM. Ergo, to get five votes on Not Chara would require two scum on me, and then farside on Not Chara and then TWO EXTRA scum on Not Chara: farside + 2 + Skybird + 1 +SirCakez already dead + DGB off the scumteam = 7 scum this game.)In post 8602, McMenno wrote:Rational: mastin (+1)
Skybird: mastin (+.5) (SCUM!)
Almost: mastin (+1)
Mastin: self (+3) (Town)
Yume: mastin (+1) (Gem/Town)
total: 7 (.5 missing)
Chara: self (+3) (Town?)
Farside: Chara (+2)
total: 5
Titus: self (+3) (Town)
Kraska: Titus (+1)
Xkfyu: Titus (+1)
Grapes: Titus (+1)
total: 6
Shiro: none
Snarky: none
DGB: none (SCUM!)
Random: none
Fuzzy: none (didn't answer?)
TWIE: none
Creature: shadow step
Magna: voted Rational
Shadow step: Almost
Fire: Rational (Town)
McMenno: Self
The name is not included in my alliance.In post 8615, McMenno wrote:it might've been lost in 345 pages of titus-farside arguing but I believe mastin confirmed this
Nope. This is coming from mod-confirmed scum so could very well be a lie. Now let's not get confused. I do have a town read on grapes regardless, but the above quote means absolutely nothing to me.In post 8746, McMenno wrote:I just noticed thisIn post 8598, Varsoon wrote:Skybird: Allied with Farside22. Triggered "Sworn to the Sword" Event. Was allied with Foxbird. Attempted to kill grapes.
this means grapes is basically conftown, right?
Someday, people will learn that because I lie about my confidence level in players (not so much lie, as exaggerate), very few flips surprise me. In particular, Skybird was never a townread off of play, and she did sketchy things. I wrote her off on mechanics. You also seem to think DGB's flip surprises me, when...DGB flipping traitor is exactly what I said she'd flip? And given the NATURE of her traitor role (she didn't know them and they didn't for sure know her), all we can conclude is that she was basically third party: no method of communicating to her scumbuddies, no method of hinting, basically they probably knew she was scum because of how she was acting but made no efforts to save her and probably rather the contrary tried to bus her.In post 8641, Titus wrote:Specifically, I need to hear from Mastina. I think the flips would be shocking to her and let's not be hasty.
So, you're telling us TWIE has an ability that allows him to kill, and yet you still think him to be town?? With all the lack of kills that's been going on so far?In post 8747, mastin2 wrote:Okay, so the no action is my fault since I didn't know I could say that, but this is interesting.
I said that I had no ally and that I submitted McMenno.
Also also, the good news is: I got a guilty with my investigation.
The bad news is: I think in spite of the result, TheWayItEnds is town anyway and just has a killing action meaning I (probably) wasted my role.
Read her role card.In post 8667, Titus wrote:Actually, we're trying to establish if DGB did know.
Just sayin, by the way.In post 8674, Shadow_step wrote:Taking town to -4 is so pro scum. It cannot come from town. Literally
Explain please.In post 8757, Almost50 wrote:So, you're telling us TWIE has an ability that allows him to kill, and yet you still think him to be town?? With all the lack of kills that's been going on so far?In post 8747, mastin2 wrote:Okay, so the no action is my fault since I didn't know I could say that, but this is interesting.
I said that I had no ally and that I submitted McMenno.
Also also, the good news is: I got a guilty with my investigation.
The bad news is: I think in spite of the result, TheWayItEnds is town anyway and just has a killing action meaning I (probably) wasted my role.
To me: ANYONE who has the ability to kill is a suspect. I firmly believe the scum had to forgo their night kills to trigger the Cluster.
VOTE: TWIE
That's until I know WHY he is town, and then -if convinced- I'll switch to Creature, again until I'm given reason to believe the claims he's Town aligned.
If both arguments are convincing enough, I will move on to lynch Shadow_Step.
Well for a start he has a killing action that I haven't seen claimed.In post 8703, Shadow_step wrote:What is the case on twie?
She's a non entity until d3.In post 8760, mastin2 wrote:Read her role card.In post 8667, Titus wrote:Actually, we're trying to establish if DGB did know.
She did not know her scumbuddies, as per her role. She had no ability to find them.
Her scumbuddies, as per her role card AND SC's role card (in that SC's role had a "Find Jasper" ability whichscum never got to use), did not know who she was.
Now!
After she flat-out claimed traitor.
And did a bunch of hella-scummy stuff.
The scumteam would have to be absolute morons to not put 2 and 2 together and realize that, yes, she actuallyistheir traitor, refuging in audacity as she may have been.
But!
That is play-based, off of what she claimed in-thread and had Klingoncelt claim for her in-thread.
NOT off of role.
So, sure, maybe the scumteam knew who she was...but did they honestly care when the way they knew was the same exact way the town did? Her method of outing herself to the scumteam was outing herself to the TOWN as well.
Meaning, DGB was effectively a nonentity as far as VCA can be concerned, maybe a third party even: scum knew who she was, and weren't going to go out of their way to protect her. Quite the contrary.
They were.In post 8766, McMenno wrote:at least that's what I'm assuming. were alliance pts open during beachapalooza?
The Skybird flip did nothing.In post 8749, McMenno wrote:how has a skybird scumflip affected your reads, mastin
Who says the mod "had" to correct anything. V had guaranteed 3 (at least) will be 100% accurate claims. If he received 3 or more accurate claims, why would he correct the rest?In post 8758, McMenno wrote:right, but there's reason to believe that skybird's claim was one of the mod-corrected ones
In post 8765, McMenno wrote:so she hasn't had any impact on beachapalooza which was on d3 when alliance chats weren't open yet
Take out SS put in Farside?In post 8768, mastin2 wrote:The Skybird flip did nothing.In post 8749, McMenno wrote:how has a skybird scumflip affected your reads, mastin
Other factors make me think Shadow_step is scum (his play today compared to his play yesterday).
I still wouldn't put it past SnarkySnowman being scum.
I have a pretty interesting result on TheWayItEnds telling me he can kill as well.
And that would round me out at five groupscum plus the traitor. (Skybird, SirCakez, DGB, three living.)
But there's wiggle room here.
We know there's gonna be at least one scum in the non-top-three.
A second scum in the top three is not impossible if one of the above is not scum.
I don't think TFL is scum. Nor do I think McMenno is scum.
The other bottom voters have reasons not to be scum.
So if S_S/SS/TWIE isn't the scumteam, practically by necessity there needs to be one on the top.
Ergo, kraskaesque could be scum. But I'm not considering scum outside those four at the moment.
I do need to do analysis given the flip.
But as of this moment, the flip itself changed nothing. My reads haven't changed because of it. The order has changed, but that's thanks to outside circumstances (TWIE result + S_S's play), not from Skybird herself.
Yeah here was the mention but I'm a bit surprised it happenedIn post 6634, DrippingGoofball wrote:I don't know, someone made a list of allies, and it was suggested that I ally with TWIE, I just followed the directive.In post 6632, Reasonably Rational wrote:I didn't see either TWIE or you talk about an alliance at any point. How did that happen?
