STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[farside22]

There's a guilty on TWIE. TWIE hasn't contributed.

Why can't you just answer the question asked? I spent a lot of time reevaluating your slot given Skybird's flip.

Suppose TWIE is scum, what are your reads?

I responded to that, if you read the full post.

[farside22]

Oh and Kraska should totally trigger the stress change at night if possible.

Also I thought it would be better soon rather then later. Putting it back to the middle is better for day.
Unless you think putting player at a lower threshold is a good thing?

[Creature]

I wanted the stress to go to at least +3

[Almost50]

The lack of an n1 kill is a major source of paranoia for me. If your theory is correct, my last final doubts on RR can be put to rest Almost. So I apologize if you feel criticized. I want you to be right, so I am triple checking you.

You simply can't suspect RR AND farside at this point. The vote analysis of Beach-a-balooza doesn't support such suspicion.

Sky already flipped scum and need 1 more scum to cover for her. Now RR also voted Mastina, and for them to be scum they would need yet another scum to cover for them. That's FOUR scum already, with SC already dead.

Now farside would've needed TWO more scum to cover for her, so that's THREE plus the five above-mentioned = EIGHT???!! Even assuming DGB had a link and IS part of the ploy, eight sounds far far farfetched to me.

Now check RR's allies: Titus - Yume - Almost - Titus+Shiro (need confirmation on that last one). Regardless of how bad you think others are, do you think Cerb/Drixx will be inclined to ally with those names in particular, and TWICE with you in precise if they were scum??

RR also are still more or less wary of the Gems (something we partially disagree on, but it's no big deal.) and that doesn't come from scum. Scum will have pushed harder for a "CGs are anti-town 3rd party" or said nothing at all. Standing in the middle (they can win with us, but we're not sure if they can win independently or not) kind of stance only comes from town perspective.

Now I can't guarantee you RR reads are spot on (you may discuss them with them if you did end up allying together today) but I can promise you RR is Town in this game.

Btw, I think you and I should consider being allies in a couple of days.

[farside22]

I wanted the stress to go to at least +3

I'm hoping for +1.

[Almost50]

Unless you think putting player at a lower threshold is a good thing?

That should depend on the mechanics involved for kraska's ability. Can she do it AFTER a hammer has been laid?

My point is: With the delay in flips, it'd be much better for us to know on the spot if we lynched Town or Scum. We put TWIE on L-1 and then kraska does her thing and we wait for Varsoon to do a VC. If TWIE is lynched he was Town and we don't need to wait till the next day to know that. If he doesn't get lynched then he is SCUM and we lay the hammer still.

So, the only draw back is if kraska's ability doesn't trigger at Twilight, and TWIE flips Town (in which case the hammer had been laid before she did her thing, so it doesn't trigger).

If I'm not being clear, someone with better linguistic abilities should phrase this post. I know -at least- a couple of you could still extract the meaning out of my gibberish anyway.

[Almost50]

I wanted the stress to go to at least +3

I wanted the stress to go to at least +3

I'm hoping for +1.

And I probably don't care, except for what Varsoon said that at current level all scum kills will go through, so I want it up by "whatever".

[Titus]

The lack of an n1 kill is a major source of paranoia for me. If your theory is correct, my last final doubts on RR can be put to rest Almost. So I apologize if you feel criticized. I want you to be right, so I am triple checking you.

You simply can't suspect RR AND farside at this point. The vote analysis of Beach-a-balooza doesn't support such suspicion.

Sky already flipped scum and need 1 more scum to cover for her. Now RR also voted Mastina, and for them to be scum they would need yet another scum to cover for them. That's FOUR scum already, with SC already dead.

Now farside would've needed TWO more scum to cover for her, so that's THREE plus the five above-mentioned = EIGHT???!! Even assuming DGB had a link and IS part of the ploy, eight sounds far far farfetched to me.

Now check RR's allies: Titus - Yume - Almost - Titus+Shiro (need confirmation on that last one). Regardless of how bad you think others are, do you think Cerb/Drixx will be inclined to ally with those names in particular, and TWICE with you in precise if they were scum??

RR also are still more or less wary of the Gems (something we partially disagree on, but it's no big deal.) and that doesn't come from scum. Scum will have pushed harder for a "CGs are anti-town 3rd party" or said nothing at all. Standing in the middle (they can win with us, but we're not sure if they can win independently or not) kind of stance only comes from town perspective.

Now I can't guarantee you RR reads are spot on (you may discuss them with them if you did end up allying together today) but I can promise you RR is Town in this game.

Btw, I think you and I should consider being allies in a couple of days.

Rr and Farside have a zero percent chance of being scum together. Farside is almost certain scum but not mod confirmed.

Rr might ally with me twice as scum. I did it to him in SU 1. I can see Why RR can be scum. I would rather not address this, as part will come if he dares to kill me, part because I want to see if others have the same conclusion.

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The stress should increase after the lynch but before the NK if possible, in the rare event TWIE is town.

[Titus]

Unless you think putting player at a lower threshold is a good thing?

That should depend on the mechanics involved for kraska's ability. Can she do it AFTER a hammer has been laid?

My point is: With the delay in flips, it'd be much better for us to know on the spot if we lynched Town or Scum. We put TWIE on L-1 and then kraska does her thing and we wait for Varsoon to do a VC. If TWIE is lynched he was Town and we don't need to wait till the next day to know that. If he doesn't get lynched then he is SCUM and we lay the hammer still.

So, the only draw back is if kraska's ability doesn't trigger at Twilight, and TWIE flips Town (in which case the hammer had been laid before she did her thing, so it doesn't trigger).

If I'm not being clear, someone with better linguistic abilities should phrase this post. I know -at least- a couple of you could still extract the meaning out of my gibberish anyway.

If stress is at negative 4, we will know if TWIE is town while we wagon him. If Kraska increases stress we lose that ability.

[Titus]

TWIE: almost, Farside, creature

Nine to lynch.
8 if town.

L minus 5.

Please document this when you vote. I intend to hammer.

[McMenno]

TWIE: almost, Farside, creature, Titus

Nine to lynch.
8 if town.

L minus 4.

VOTE: TWIE

don't forget to set up alliances

[Titus]

Correct. Any objections to me with Farside?

[farside22]

Correct. Any objections to me with Farside?

Dear God why?

[farside22]

On an unrelated note the chat with kraska feels stale.
Not sure why.
Maybe it's the someone asking my opinion and throwing out weird claims that make me go a little eh.

[TheWayItEnds]

you guys trying to lynch me before i even show up today?

[Creature]

Someone got a guilty on you.

[Titus]

Correct. Any objections to me with Farside?

Dear God why?

It'll appease RR and make the optimal move not lynching you barring a guilty.

You in?

[McMenno]

you guys trying to lynch me before i even show up today?

please claim

[TheWayItEnds]

a guilty in what form?

i assume gunsmith?

[McMenno]

(expired on 2016-10-16 20:36:35)

[TheWayItEnds]

who got it?

[Titus]

who got it?

Conftown.

[TheWayItEnds]

fine.

i guess i go read todays posts then

[McMenno]

first claim

[McMenno]

and mastin got it, and yes it's a gunsmith guilty