STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[kraskaesque]

@almost50 what are you even talking about
what even is your question

[Titus]

@RR, And if scum delay the flips now like you postulate? They could flip twie immediately.

[kraskaesque]

but the one thing more obvious now would be krasks saying something about someone else's role with whom she was never allied.

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[MagnaofIllusion]

Did some digging ...

If Not Chara is Town as is reasonable to be believed then grapes is overwhelmingly likely to be Town as well given how Night 1 turned out.

[Reasonably Rational]

I've never suggested scum are the ones delaying the flips.

In fact, we have evidence that they are not, because Yume claimed responsibility for the delayed flips, and klingon's flip appeared to happen on her command. In addition, if scum had control over the flips, I imagine they'd have flipped SC immediately in order to gain access to their strongman kill through skybird. It's possible that the suggestion I(and A50) have made that perhaps they had to skip their N1 kill in order to trigger Message Received is accurate, and that's why they didn't care about having a strongman kill that night...but that doesn't change the fact that the gems are clearly in control of the flips.

And the gems know if they don't delay TWIE's flip and it turns out he's scum and they enable a strongman kill on our conftown, they're all dead.

So, I'm very confident that if twie flips as scum, his flip will not allow a strongman kill tonight IF NC flips town and gets stress to -3.

-Cerb

[Almost50]

@Almost, I asked Kraska. I did because I have an exposition only ability. Kraska was referring to his own stress ability when he said exposition only.

@Almost, We asked him to check at night. I have an exposition only ability as well. Mine is on my pm though.

@RR, If Twie is scum, lynching him has the status at negative 4. You townreading TWIE?

There's a delay on flips Titus. TWIES alignment does not matter when it comes to making sure stress is not at -4 as we go into the night. All that matters is what effect NCs flip has on stress, and whether or not kraska uses his power.

-Cerb

Hey you two, please pay more attention to pronouns. The kraska heads is a SHE and is becoming a bit sensitive to people insisting on referring to HER in masculine pronouns.

This announcement was not game-related, but out of courtesy. No animals have been killed or injured during the composition of this post. Please don't try these stunts at home.

[Titus]

@Cerb,

You're postulating that TWIE gets revealed before NC.

In what world does that make any sense?

[McMenno]

if almost's theory is true then twie is scum guaranteed...

[Reasonably Rational]

@Cerb,

You're postulating that TWIE gets revealed before NC.

In what world does that make any sense?

What?? Where did I say that? What the fuck are you talking about?

I expect things to happen as they have EVERY OTHER TIME.

Lynch happens.

NC flip occurs.
If town, stress goes to -3.
If scum, stress stays at -4.

Tomorrow morning, TWIE's flip happens, and stress moves accordingly.

Either way, his flip HAS NO EFFECT ON WHAT STRESS IS AT DURING THE CLIMAX TONIGHT.

If NC's flip happens BEFORE the hammer, then we'll know if stress will be a -3 or -4 tonight, and will thus know if kraska should use his power.

MoI is suggesting we should instead just use kraskas ppwwr BEFORE WE HAVE TO because he's insisting on not flipping NC.

What's is fucking hard to understand about this?

-Cerb

[Almost50]

@almost50 what are you even talking about
what even is your question

Hold on. You were talking about your stress changing ability?
I mistook your post to be addressing the SS blocking ability. Please disregard.

Disclaimer: My concentration is deteriorating. It's almost as if I'm stoned all the time now (I don't even do drugs AT ALL). Geez I'm not THAT old, but I sometimes feel like I'm over 70 both physically and mentally. *Hangs head down in shame*

OK, so disregarding my confusion, Creature said SS didn't block his night action. (Now THAT I'm sure of).

This means Creature knew about the blocking ability of SS and TWIE still allied with SS, so Creature+TWIE as scum doesn't work. It's ONE of the three of SS/Creature/TWIE.

However, here's a question @ Creature: WHY did you opt to act at night rather than forego your action to add points towards the Cluster event diffusion?

[MagnaofIllusion]

I strongly am in favor of Kraska using the ability to move away from Slice of Life ASAP today so the issue is settled well in advance of lynch.

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Why do you want us to use an ability when the same effect can be achieved by simple cooperation?

Unless you think kraska is scum, it does not make sense to force him to use this power.
-Cerb

Why would you continually ask for things that may not be Pro-Town and try to hide it under the guise of cooperation.

Not Chara is overwhelmingly likely to be Town. There are multiple other things at play that flipping her now would eliminate. I’m very curious why you are so dead set on flipping Chara when a reasonable alternate method of defusing the Slice of Life problem.

[Almost50]

Did some digging ...

If Not Chara is Town as is reasonable to be believed then grapes is overwhelmingly likely to be Town as well given how Night 1 turned out.

Not to mention if Skybird's statement IS one of the 3 mod-corrected then grapes is 100% NOT group scum.

[Creature]

Can anyone give a good argument as to why we should not lynch TWIE?

[Creature]

Also, didn't understand your question, Almost.

[Xkfyu]

In fact:

VOTE: Shadow_Step

I'm almost certain that Shadow is town.

[Reasonably Rational]

I strongly am in favor of Kraska using the ability to move away from Slice of Life ASAP today so the issue is settled well in advance of lynch.

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Why do you want us to use an ability when the same effect can be achieved by simple cooperation?

Unless you think kraska is scum, it does not make sense to force him to use this power.
-Cerb

Why would you continually ask for things that may not be Pro-Town and try to hide it under the guise of cooperation.

Not Chara is overwhelmingly likely to be Town. There are multiple other things at play that flipping her now would eliminate. I’m very curious why you are so dead set on flipping Chara when a reasonable alternate method of defusing the Slice of Life problem.

Because one method requires the expenditure of NO resources, while one requires using a power which (I assume) has limited usages.

If we WASTE (and yes, it would be a waste if NC is town and the only point would be to keep scum from having a strongman kill tonight) kraskas ability right NOW, it means we can't use it LATER when we may not have an alternative method to use.

Again, how is this so fucking hard to understand?

-Cerb

[kraskaesque]

@Almost, I asked Kraska. I did because I have an exposition only ability. Kraska was referring to his own stress ability when he said exposition only.

@Almost, We asked him to check at night. I have an exposition only ability as well. Mine is on my pm though.

@RR, If Twie is scum, lynching him has the status at negative 4. You townreading TWIE?

There's a delay on flips Titus. TWIES alignment does not matter when it comes to making sure stress is not at -4 as we go into the night. All that matters is what effect NCs flip has on stress, and whether or not kraska uses his power.

-Cerb

Hey you two, please pay more attention to pronouns. The kraska heads is a SHE and is becoming a bit sensitive to people insisting on referring to HER in masculine pronouns.

This announcement was not game-related, but out of courtesy. No animals have been killed or injured during the composition of this post. Please don't try these stunts at home.

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@almost50 what are you even talking about
what even is your question

Hold on. You were talking about your stress changing ability?
I mistook your post to be addressing the SS blocking ability. Please disregard.

Disclaimer: My concentration is deteriorating. It's almost as if I'm stoned all the time now (I don't even do drugs AT ALL). Geez I'm not THAT old, but I sometimes feel like I'm over 70 both physically and mentally. *Hangs head down in shame*

OK, so disregarding my confusion, Creature said SS didn't block his night action. (Now THAT I'm sure of).

This means Creature knew about the blocking ability of SS and TWIE still allied with SS, so Creature+TWIE as scum doesn't work. It's ONE of the three of SS/Creature/TWIE.

However, here's a question @ Creature: WHY did you opt to act at night rather than forego your action to add points towards the Cluster event diffusion?

man u confused me lol
ss can only block people he's aligned with?(sorry but im behind on the game) if so then yeah creature and twie definitely arent a team
and i was townreading creature and ss anyway so if theres a scum in that group im betting on twie

[kraskaesque]

Titus

Shadow_Step

Xkfyu

Almost50

Shiro

Farside22

Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx)grapes
mastin2
MagnaofIllusion

McMenno

TheFuzzylogic99

SnarkySnowman

Creature

randomidget
TheWayItEnds

remaining scum are most probably shadow, shiro and twie
maybe randommidget
maaaaaybe rr but i dont really feel this. it's probably just shadow shiro and twie

i changed my mind on moi after remembering his claim to be able to stop an event at the cost of his lynch. that doesnt make sense as an ability to advance scum survival. moi's probably town

[Xkfyu]

it's probably just shadow shiro and twie

I'm almost certain that Shadow is town.

And if I'm somehow wrong, we'll find out soon enough.

[Xkfyu]

I'm also pretty sure that I'm not lynching TWIE today, or ever.

[Almost50]

Can anyone give a good argument as to why we should not lynch TWIE?

You said SS didn't block you last night. This means you submitted an action last night that went through. Why did you submit an action when willingly choosing not to would have added a point to the counter we are all contributing to (or at least should be) to stop the Cluster?

[Titus]

I've never suggested scum are the ones delaying the flips.

In fact, we have evidence that they are not, because Yume claimed responsibility for the delayed flips, and klingon's flip appeared to happen on her command. In addition, if scum had control over the flips, I imagine they'd have flipped SC immediately in order to gain access to their strongman kill through skybird. It's possible that the suggestion I(and A50) have made that perhaps they had to skip their N1 kill in order to trigger Message Received is accurate, and that's why they didn't care about having a strongman kill that night...but that doesn't change the fact that the gems are clearly in control of the flips.

And the gems know if they don't delay TWIE's flip and it turns out he's scum and they enable a strongman kill on our conftown, they're all dead.

So, I'm very confident that if twie flips as scum, his flip will not allow a strongman kill tonight IF NC flips town and gets stress to -3.

-Cerb

But you have. You're shading MoI and proceeding under the theory that MOI is Yume'sbackup. Beside the point, how do we know the flips are delayed by town now given Yume's death. NC did not flip immediately, so someone is delaying flips.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Because one method requires the expenditure of NO resources, while one requires using a power which (I assume) has limited usages.

If we WASTE (and yes, it would be a waste if NC is town and the only point would be to keep scum from having a strongman kill tonight) kraskas ability right NOW, it means we can't use it LATER when we may not have an alternative method to use.

Again, how is this so fucking hard to understand?

-Cerb

Not Chara put it best - she's worth more than an Exposition only Season Finale only ability we might never get use from again.

So you can rant and rave all you want but that's not changing what is happening.

[Titus]

@RR, There's zero reason to suppose that TWIE flips before NC.

If TWIE flips after NC, we are at slice of life negative 4, RR.

[Cerberus v666]

Titus I have never suggested that twie would flip before NC.

What the fuck are you going on about?

-Cerb