Mini 532: Yaw's Split Open Mafia: (Game over)

[Jex]

Wow...I apparently missed a lot over the holiday break.

This plan has waaaaay too many holes to ever work. Many of which have been pointed out. The main problem I see is that the role switcher would need to know who the reopener is in order to switch the roles, wouldn't they? In my experience, a role reopener is only allowed to use their role once in the game. They then take on that role as their own for the rest of the game. If this is the case, then there would be no point in this plan because a)only one role would be opened and b) there's no need to switch it because someone will already have the role for the remainder of the game.

Also,

unvote

. No need to keep my random vote on since we're out of that stage now.

[Phate]

This plan has waaaaay too many holes to ever work. Many of which have been pointed out. The main problem I see is that the role switcher would need to know who the reopener is in order to switch the roles, wouldn't they? In my experience, a role reopener is only allowed to use their role once in the game. They then take on that role as their own for the rest of the game. If this is the case, then there would be no point in this plan because a)only one role would be opened and b) there's no need to switch it because someone will already have the role for the remainder of the game.

This paragraph exhibits a lack of knowledge about the roles. Reopeners are not one-shot resurrectors that take the role they open. They make a role on a targeted dead person eligible for role-switching. Furthermore, the switcher and the reopener are perfectly capable of working in tandem without knowing each other identities. Go back and read the first page, where the roles are explained, and then reread pages 4 & 5, where I explain my plan.

[bird1111]

Panzerjager is indeed replacing Korran

Vote Count:
Drunken Piper (2): Thanatos, SensFan
Thantos (1): Phate
Jex (1): Drunken Piper
SensFan (1): Zhao
kabenon007 (1): Off the Mark
Korlash (1): Panzerjager

Not Voting (5): Holy, Korlash, kabenon007, QuickBen, Jex

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.

[Holy]

I don’t have a role, that I be claiming.
Just how I do things, the way I be gaming.

Did you mean you are an unpowered scum? lol, j/k :p

[Korlash]

Vote: Korlash until he starts posting theories that can be disproven by Occam's Razor. Followed by a cinquian(nope, couldn't resist).

Hmmm... Occam's Razor... Ok...

How about instead of Phate's plan we instead don't out the unpowered, and just RANDOMLY assign it to a player hoping they were unpowered! Hmmm... Not really sure if that is accurate in this case. I am very bad at making theories I

want

to be disproven you know...

Cinquian
Misspelled theme
reading, writing, reciting
It's actually pronounced cinquain
Cinquain

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Did you mean you are an unpowered scum? lol, j/k :p

I think Holy is on to something! Lynch DP! The unpowered scum! =D

[Off the Mark]

Jex, I don't think you understand the rules properly:

The role switcher has the ability to change the Roles of two players. This does not affect player alignments -- the scum group will always stay the same.

The role re-opener has the ability to open the Role of a dead player. This would allow the role switcher to switch a player into the empty Role. Think of it as a funky sort of resurrection.

No limitations on how many times they can use their night actions and there is no need for role switcher to know who the role reopener is. Lets say player Zoobooboo dies and he is the town voodoo warrior priest. Reopener submits to mod "reopen voodoo warrior priest role". Switcher submits to mod "switch Zoobooboo's role with ClunkyButt's role. (ClunkyButt is still alive, of course)

Now ClunkyButt is the voodoo warrior priest and his former role, if he had a role, is dead.

[PJ.]

Unvote

Will continue reading. Good job on the poetry.

[Off the Mark]

Hmmm, I can't believe I didn't think of this earlier but...

The main problem that I see with Phate's plan is this: (and I can't believe this hasn't been discussed already)

What's to stop scum from claiming that they are unpowered town and getting a power role?

[Phate]

that's not a problem as long as everyone makes a smart decision with their night actions. If pressed, I'll explain why, but you should take my word for it.

Mod: a few questions on the role-switcher's power.
If a player uses a night action and the role-switcher targets that player on the same night, does the player perform their original action or the new one they're granted?
When the roleswitcher switches two players' roles, is he made aware of what the roles are?

Original
No

[PJ.]

Look, That plan is exetremely flawed. either manipulation role could be scum, along with the unpowered. Wasting a night giving a scum unpowered a power is bad. You give them doc, we lose the doc protection, you give them Night Commucators they can can say they are town with the other night communicator, Cop, they can fake investigations. In no way is any of this neutral for the town, it's bad.

Not to mention we'd be telegraphing where all the roles were.

The only way to win this game is good ol' scum hunting, trying to abuse the system is gonna lose us the game.

Oh, and note: My plan doesn't have "flaws." My plan has a "tradeoff that is beneficial for town."

Nice euphemism. Anyway I dislike OTM and QB. OTM for being quick to go with Phate when the momentum was his way and QB for acting very go whichever way the wind blows.

Vote:OTM

for now.

[Thanatos]

Hmmm, I can't believe I didn't think of this earlier but...

The main problem that I see with Phate's plan is this: (and I can't believe this hasn't been discussed already)

What's to stop scum from claiming that they are unpowered town and getting a power role?

Funny you mention that considering that's been brought up a few times.

[PJ.]

Yeah, definently think OTM is scum.

[Korlash]

What's to stop scum from claiming that they are unpowered town and getting a power role?

Could have sworn I said something about this before... I'll look for it later...

Not seeing how OTM is scum but I have to admit this game does not stick in my memory for long... the poetry I guess... To much like education and learning and stuff...

I'll check him out and see what i think...

[Zhao]

Hey Sensfan, your buddy Phate is taking alot of flak for this plan, aren't you going to speak up? As the original proponent of it, I would have expect more discussion from you. You've haven't mentioned anything about it for 3 pages now.

I'm also suspicious of OTM, he seems to be flipping.

[Off the Mark]

Yeah, I flipped because a flaw in the plan occurred to me that hadn't occurred to me before. Is that honestly suspicious to you all? Sheesh. How annoying.

[Off the Mark]

What's to stop scum from claiming that they are unpowered town and getting a power role?

Could have sworn I said something about this before... I'll look for it later...

It's possible, you said a lot of stuff. But I didn't remember that specific issue being discussed.

[Phate]

Reserving opinion.

I'm going to be lurking for awhile, because AT&T is a bitch and she has taken away our phones and our DSL. I'll be able to check in periodically (limited access on weekdays), but until we get this fixed, I'll be posting drastically less.

[SensFan]

Hey Sensfan, your buddy Phate is taking alot of flak for this plan, aren't you going to speak up? As the original proponent of it, I would have expect more discussion from you. You've haven't mentioned anything about it for 3 pages now.

I'm also suspicious of OTM, he seems to be flipping.

Alright.

* My buddy? What are you implying?

* Why would you assume I would rush to Phate's defense?

* I was not the one who came up with the plan. That was Phate.

Vote: Zhao

while awaiting his answer. The quoted post seems like a whole lot of misrepresentation to me.

[Thanatos]

Wow, Sens. That was rather jumpy. Though I agree that your mass claim idea wasn't really connected to Phates...though you were both trying to get claims that would have taken advantage of the system in ways that could have backfired...


Still, you really overreacted.

[Korlash]

How is that overreacting? All he did was point out things he disagreed with and placed a L-6 vote. I call that scum hunting...

[Thanatos]

Saying Buddy and acting like he meant scumbuddy was the main thing..on the other hand, upon closer inspection, I could not find Sens doing the things that Zhao said he did. Where did he back Phate, Zhao?

[Korlash]

Hey Mod: Another question for you. If say, the reopener targets an alive player to "re-open" at night, and that player dies during the night, will the reopener successfully reopen the power? (IF said player had one that is)

No.

Secondly: If the reopener targets a vanilla, does it open the "Vanilla" role thus allowing the switcher to switch a role onto the dead player? Interesting Idea, I would just like to know for future strategies, games, ideas, etc...

Yes.

[Thanatos]

...Korlash, isn't that something the Switcher would do if he was scum?

[Korlash]

No. I agree the RB hurts us too much. That would be a role I would rather be assigned to a dead player. If the mafia has it we can kill them, but if a town has it we might as well switch and save the town. or that is the scenario in my head. Then it also boils down to endgame play. When we have ll the pro-town roles we want and we are simply siphoning off the mafia's powers.

[Thanatos]

No, I mean opening up the vanilla role. Wouldn't a scum want to do that, to take away power roles?