In post 1794, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I'm also wondering why Untrod is getting so much crap for having an empty pointless ISO while hiplop is getting none .. it puzzles me ...
This is the problem with fluff posting cases in large games. There's always a lurker/fluff poster, so cue the, "What about X?" questions.
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Obviously.
If you took even a cursory glance at any of the three previous games, you'd know this. I mean, you have 24 players and 13 troops. One is taken off the top for the Terrorist, so let's make it 12 troops. Three other troops were openly 'claimed' to my knowledge (Counterintelligence, Eavesdrop and Submarine).
They ALL have value of varying degrees, even if just to keep the other side from getting it. Since you get a Missle Silo even if you miss a troop, there's no reason not to go for one you think is valuable. You get it, cool. If not, no big deal.
Furthermore, scum/terrorist have incentives to not just settle for a nuke, ideally, since you're putting a target on your back by openly killing someone else. Even if you use your nuke by committee, so to speak, you could be stuck nuking your partner.
Anyway, it just boggles the mind how anyone couldn't come to this conclusion or think to do any sort of research on it at all.
In post 1800, mastina wrote:Oh gee, I gave the town knowledge they didn't have before--all thirteen troops are in play--and claimed my list order, when everyone wants me dead. Golly, that sure is no reason whatsoever to claim, yes it is! There's surely no POSSIBLE reason to claim and give the town that info when you're a top pick for being nuked.
You can't get nuked today and you can't get nuked tomorrow. You're clearly not the leading wagon.
But thanks for giving the scumteam extra information. I'm sure it's appreciated.
In post 1800, mastina wrote:If everyone took this stance, and there was a troop nobody wanted, guess what?
Anyone could've told you this had you asked. Had you thought to even glance at any of the previous games.
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In post 1857, SpyreX wrote:I think the most disturbing part of this is how there's nothing in there that's even a ripple
Pretty basic but Cheetory has earned a lot of town cred this game.
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In post 1864, Spiffeh wrote:Earlier Ircher was in your scum pile so this doesn't really jive with me
Also in that post you threw shade on all of mastina, McMenno, Ircher, Vaxkiller,
While I think all of these players have a nonzero percent chance of flipping scum (except maybe mastina) I think you're casting a really broad stroke over all the universal nuke targets which seems like a really easy stance to hold
And? I don't care for Ircher or the people that are voting him.
As to your second point, you really consider McMenno and Ircher to be "universal nuke targets"? I think I'm one of, like, three people that has even batted an eye at McMenno. As for Ircher, I think he's caught more flak, but nothing major. I don't even think Vax is really a nuke target because I think people are more anxious to see him eat rope than wait to nuke him.
Still on the scum side. Would love to see him eat it.
In post 1869, Spiffeh wrote: In post 1716, RedCoyote wrote:Yeah, I deliberately classified it as anti-town rather than scummy for that reason. I also deliberately asked for a nuke rather than a lynch for that reason. There's a fair shot Mastina is town; there's a 100% shot that Mastina is hurting the town.
yuck
If you can explain to me how Mastina is helping the town, I'll concede the point. Nukes are to be used like vig shots as far as I'm concerned.
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In post 1887, Cephrir wrote:I think people like saying this too much and it's basically impossible to determine, unless you're saying you just think they're both town independent of the argument in which case use different words
They're both town in spite of their aggression toward one another.
It's relevant and easy to understand, so of course you'd be against it.
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In post 1890, McMenno wrote:wanted to address this in particular, you see he votes me immediately after cephrir does without any commentary then later tries to play it off as an rvs-y vote instead of you know... "yeah I was scumreading you and saw cephrir's vote as an opportunity to start a wagon on you"
and could you please be consistent? your posts sound like they're made by different players
oh and there's a difference between "scummy" (whatever that means) and "scum"
There was commentary, actually (see:
1173,
1219). Further,
I challenged anyone to engage me on the vote (which no player has thus far been willing to do). So calling it "rvs-y" or "opportunistic" is a flatout lie. I also find humor in the fact that me putting you at L-11 is "opportunistic". Talk about disconnected from reality.
Since Cephrir and I are mortal enemies this game, it only speaks to how great of a lynch you are that we can both agree on your scumminess.
I don't understand your last sentence. I use scummy as an adjective to describe people that are voting/saying/promoting/attacking in such a way that leads me to believe they are scum.
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In post 1913, Accountant wrote:i disagree the post you quoted was mm's best post so far
it has actual content which is a first
It's garbage if you scratch beyond the surface of it.
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I strongly, strongly dislike SS's
1930. It reads way too much like, "I can't be scum for lurking... no one has asked me to speak". Very weak, defensive and checked out language.
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I'd be down with lynching, but I genuinely don't think Vax is a bad lynch.
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In post 1992, McMenno wrote:vaxkiller: I'm not saying ss is scum but he's pretty scummy
ss: I'm not saying ss is scum but he's pretty scummy
oh okay was a little worried for a sec there
This is actually a solid post. Add that to the fact that I think D1 is large enough and that I don't think Vax is getting better here (his Mastina complaints in
1986 read as particularly tone deaf given his current situation) mean that I can join the wagon now.
UNVOTE: McMenno;
VOTE: Vaxkiller