DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[SpyreX]

Yea lld scum if and only if nahdia is scum.

Which makes ss not make sense claiming cop so much.

[mastina]

I cannot be SK. And I've been asking to be investigated since day 1. How exactly am I scum?

You're not surefire scum.
I'm not voting you, either.
You're a scum candidate, however, because ultimately, asking to be investigated--no matter when--is ultimately little more than bravado. Bravado is something you display alignment regardless. Can you honestly deny that? Can you honestly say that you, as scum, wouldn't make a bold move? Be honest. If you tell the truth about yourself, you know the answer.

The move is more pro-town yes. But it's not a move you wouldn't make as scum. You could rely on exactly what happened, for instance--hope that GiF got killed. For instance, if both the mafia AND the SK hit GiF, it wouldn't matter if Ceph had protected him; the kill would go through and the investigation request would be...nothing but a big gambit that you could kill GiF before he could investigate you.

So that's why you could be scum. You could be scum because that strategy isn't some implausible nigh-impossible stretch of logic. It might not quite be strong enough to qualify for probability. It is, however, just enough where I would definitely recognize it as a strong possibility.

[Vaxkiller]

When? Was it ever publically discussed or last 3 straight days?

I mean there's a difference between "lul let me ask it'll never happen"

and asking day in and day out to investigate me since day fucking 1

If you think that makes you town you are quite the silly goose.

Hey guys investigate me too! I want to be cleared just like LLD! - Vaxkiller aka Towny Mc-Supertown Townerson

[Cheetory6]

Yeah fucking ignore me mastin.
Whatever.
You're just so fucking constantly full of shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I cannot be SK. And I've been asking to be investigated since day 1. How exactly am I scum?

You're not surefire scum.
I'm not voting you, either.
You're a scum candidate, however, because ultimately, asking to be investigated--no matter when--is ultimately little more than bravado. Bravado is something you display alignment regardless. Can you honestly deny that? Can you honestly say that you, as scum, wouldn't make a bold move? Be honest. If you tell the truth about yourself, you know the answer.

The move is more pro-town yes. But it's not a move you wouldn't make as scum. You could rely on exactly what happened, for instance--hope that GiF got killed. For instance, if both the mafia AND the SK hit GiF, it wouldn't matter if Ceph had protected him; the kill would go through and the investigation request would be...nothing but a big gambit that you could kill GiF before he could investigate you.

So that's why you could be scum. You could be scum because that strategy isn't some implausible nigh-impossible stretch of logic. It might not quite be strong enough to qualify for probability. It is, however, just enough where I would definitely recognize it as a strong possibility.

There's no way me, as scum, asks to be investigated Day 1. As much as I am big on bravado, I'll also let you in on a little secret.

I'm a survivalist. I have zero faith in my scum teams and I play to be the anchor that carries them if they fucking fail on me.

PYP Mafia.
Summer Mafia
Machina Mafia

It's the same fucking story. I make it to lylo alone and win because I:

1. Never make nightkills until forced
2. Avoid situations where my alignment can be hard determined based on associations, including enticing a cop to look at me closely.
3. Order my teammates to make sometimes questionable kills that have long term benefits.

This has not been the story of this game for me. Not even close.

[mastina]

AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO GIVE ME SHIT ABOUT MY PLAY.

Damn straight I do.

The fact of the matter is: I'm town.
I'm dieing soon.
That means I don't have time to sugarcoat things. No time to be nice. No time to do this the long way. No time to push this over time, gradually get what I need.

So I'll call out any and every fault in your play, right here and right now. And get you to step your game up. Because I won't be around later to see you. I won't be around later to judge you, on things. All I have is the right here and right now. My request is not a hard one:

Give me YOUR READS before I die.
What pairings do you think are impossible? Which are probable? That's not some grand case. Simple thirty second answers. Literally the only reason to NOT share is TO give me a "fuck you".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mastin, shut the fuck up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cheetory's enough of a ? in my mind that I think him launching a nuke at GreyICE seems plausible.

What do people think?

[mastina]

Vaxkiller you fucking oblivious moron.

Vaxkiller's expiration date is near-identical to mine.
He has a nuke heading his way literally right fucking now.

He also was wagoned by basically all the scum, so.

[Vaxkiller]

Where the hell is hoplop? I know hes going to show up tomorrow and be like:

"Oh Im so sorry I was busy and I launched a nuke and didnt have time to check on the game to see if I should cancel it."

[Vaxkiller]

Vaxkiller you fucking oblivious moron.

I'm sure that's attacking the play and not the player.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vaxkiller you fucking oblivious moron.

Vaxkiller's expiration date is near-identical to mine.
He has a nuke heading his way literally right fucking now.

He also was wagoned by basically all the scum, so.

If you think

Spiffeh and Nukebringer wouldn't turbo bus this assfuck into the ground for cred?

YOU WRONG SON

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vaxkiller you fucking oblivious moron.

I'm sure that's attacking the play and not the player.

Thanks for quoting that out of context, I was talking about you, not at you.

Question: Who is scum outside Mastin's list of six?

Answer: Vaxkiller, you fucking oblivious moron.

[mastina]

{mastina, Untrod, LLD}
{Cheetory6, GreyICE}
{Vax, Cephrir}
{MoI, SpyreX}

So I take it this is calling MoI and SpyreX your scumteam. If that's not the scumteam, could you rate the following from most likely to least likely?
MoI-Cheetory
SpyreX-Cheetory
MoI-GreyICE
SpyreX-GreyICE
Cheetory-GreyICE

Furthermore, could you either give, or if you have given, point to, your reasoning behind this?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GREYICE
IS
SCUM
GREYICE
IS
SCUM
GREYICE
IS
SCUM

[Nahdia]

GreyICE did know about the weird factional kill mechanics. That was odd.

Is factional abilities working like that a thing that used to be prevalent? Cause I've never witnessed it myself.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's GreyICE and Vaxkiller.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm this close to saying "fuck you MoI, fuck the SK sub" and telling Cheetory to just nuke GI.

[Cheetory6]

That means I don't have time to sugarcoat things. No time to be nice. No time to do this the long way. No time to push this over time, gradually get what I need.

Do you know how out of my way I've played this game to be nice to you.
And to ask people to not be shit at you because of how fucking outrageous you play this fucking game.

[mastina]

Yeah fucking ignore me mastin.
You're just so fucking constantly full of shit.

Have you considered the fact that the reason I am ignoring you is because you are calling me full of shit rather than respecting a simple request?

The simple fact of the matter is, I'm about to die. And right now, I DON'T know who the scumteam is. I am doing everything in my power to find them before I do die. And part of that process is interacting with others and forcefully bringing more out of them. Aggressively pressuring them to give me THEIR view of the game. And through the view of those people, I can better find who is the scum.

Which is why I again emphasize that there is a group of five players I want to hear you talk about in detail. You know the five: LLD, GreyICE, SpyreX, Nahdia, and MagnaofIllusion.

[Cheetory6]

The only thing I've really considered is that I hate playing mafia and that I really hate playing with you.
And that's maybe unfair.
But also, really, fuck your attitude when it comes to this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah fuck this.

Cheetory, two options.

1) Walk away from the thread for 24 hours
2) Nuke GreyICE and be a cool guy who doesn't look at explosions.

[Nahdia]

^

[Nahdia]

Is factional abilities working like that a thing that used to be prevalent? Cause I've never witnessed it myself.

mastina LLD lookin' at you two on this one.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is factional abilities working like that a thing that used to be prevalent? Cause I've never witnessed it myself.

mastina LLD lookin' at you two on this one.

No it's incredibly rare that a game has a mechanic where the kills are performed as a team and not by an individual. Having it be a factional ability and having that ability be able to be used in addition to any other ability is normal, but it's rare that the entire kill is performed without an action provider.