DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[GreyICE]

YOU ALREADY FUCKING KNEW I HAD THE AIRBASE ANYWAY

WHERE THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOUR SHOT WENT?

[GreyICE]

YEAH COOL STORY

WHEN YOU FLIP SCUM I DON'T CARE HOW I'LL LOOK

BECAUSE YOU'LL BE DEAD SCUM

[GreyICE]

Oh sure, some posthumous shade thrown on me.

Sure, we lynch you today I'll be the fucking terrorist. Then your last buddy will have a reason to come at me tomorrow.

That'll be funny when Hiplop flips of course.

[GreyICE]

Because you're right you're not going to lie about that role claim unless MoI and you are scum together which is too crazy to posit.

But if you're scum you could totally have taken AirBase and then fake nuked yourself for town cred...

THE AIRBASE DOESN'T STOP NUKES

[GreyICE]

The only thing it stops is your stupid night kill. So suck it

[GreyICE]

You bet! I will sign on the fucking line. You pushed me to claim to get me straight in the line of the terrorist's submarine, knowing for a fact exactly how the claim would shake out.

[GreyICE]

WELL YOU'RE NOT FLIPPING TOWN

SO THAT SOLVES THAT PROBLEM

[GreyICE]

Seriously I have never seen such a pile of fake smarmy bullshit as I have witnessed today. "MOI OF COURSE would take the airbase, so OF COURSE Grey has the Failsafe and he better claim right quick before that submarine fires!"

[GreyICE]

Sure. You flip town it's entirely my fault for misreading you. You flip scum, no more of this "oh you can't read me" BS that you peddle whenever I want to lynch you.

[GreyICE]

I say I have DIFFICULTY reading you. Not that I can't read you. But whenever I want to lynch you you blame it on my paranoia.

There's a difference between saying "you are hard to read" and "I am incapable of doing this thing merely because it is hard".

[GreyICE]

Yes you found two quotes from me where I say it is hard.

But go on. Try to discredit my vote in other's eyes. Don't fucking worry, I'll shove it down their throats anyway. That's what you were trying to stop when you shot me after al.

[GreyICE]

Aggressive? That's not how I'd characterize your play day 1 and 2. I've seen you aggressive, that was Milquetoast.

[GreyICE]

HEY PEOPLE LLD WANTS TO DIE

LETS OBLIGE HER

[GreyICE]

WORKS THE FUCK OUT FOR ME.

Say, by the way, anyone else noticed your entire case on me was "oh he had the failsafe he knew he wasn't getting nuked" and... I didn't have the failsafe?

So she gets called out and doubles down even though the entire basis of her case was wrong? See that? Scum.

[GreyICE]

A survivalist perspective. After I agreed to die tomorrow.

Suck my left nut

[GreyICE]

Also. You're SK hunting. Do bother to die now~

[GreyICE]

You're so deep in the tunnel that you're selling yourself on me being scum. Which means not group scum, since you know for a fact I ain't that.

SO DO BOTHER TO DIE NOW YOU DAMN RUSKIE

[GreyICE]

Cool, QQ in the postgame how you had us all fooled except for the lame replace out nuke that you totally could have weaseled out of if he hadn't replaced out.

[GreyICE]

Well kvetch to the mod more maybe he could help you.

And there's the 5% chance SpyreX sabotaged Cheetory (or you) which you and Vax seem to be banking on.

[GreyICE]

Yeah he totally has reason to do that before the submarine fires.

In lala land.

Stay salty pals

[GreyICE]

[GreyICE]

By the way both of you, thanks for highlighting the difference:

Mastina - gives us her final reads
Vaxkiller - begs SpyreX to tell him who he blocked to learn if he should give a shit about this game or not
Hiplop - Complains to the mod about how unfair life is

[GreyICE]

I mean not that it's beyond Mastina to totally brown nose on the off chance it's not happening, Llamarble style.

But really you two scumbags should take some fucking notes.

[GreyICE]

Hey, you wanna leave that as your final epitaph to the town, go ahead.

[GreyICE]

Vi! Welcome!

[GreyICE]

And Vi, let me solve some mysteries for you: LLD is scum. Hiplop is SK. Final scum I thought was Vax, but now is either... hmmm... UT isn't scum, I'm not scum, I want to say is SpyreX. Nahdia is still obviously town, I had a town read on Cheetory (despite, as LLD calls it, his "I am so depressed" as that struck me as a genuine reason not to want to play - been there, done that). MOI might be scum, but it's an outside possibility, and why pick failsafe as scum? Unless it's literally 100% WIFOM value (like this is why I haven't been shot). But I'm really good at reading MOI (you should remember the game that proved that), and I think this is town MOI.

[GreyICE]

Fucking finally.

[GreyICE]

Got fucking baited. Lynch LLD for me if I'm the one?

I mean I think this is Vi dying in a fit of spite, but I dunno.

[GreyICE]

I mean does it really matter who he shoots at? The odds SpyreX sabotaged Cheetory of all people have to be like 1%

[GreyICE]

1) No. I've been a proponent of Nahdia town since the start of day 1.
2) UT was the counterwagon to SS. I found it really unlikely for him to be a scum counterwagon to scum. I guess it's possible, but it still doesn't feel likely.
3) Doesn't SpyreX confirm a player non-SK every time he uses his role?
5) Isn't Cephrir obviously town. If he was scum Nukebringer nukes GIF, 110% of the time. 125% of the time? 110000000% of the time? I don't see a world in which Cephrir is scum and they don't nuke GIF after shooting me N2.
6) 'cause she's scum
7) 'cause Hiplop shot him?

Also the terrorist can still win through scorched earth? Right. Dammit.

[GreyICE]

3) Doesn't SpyreX confirm a player non-SK every time he uses his role?

He wouldn't have known that on Night 2.

5) Isn't Cephrir obviously town. If he was scum Nukebringer nukes GIF, 110% of the time. 125% of the time? 110000000% of the time? I don't see a world in which Cephrir is scum and they don't nuke GIF after shooting me N2.

...yeah, that's fair. (Counterpoint: scum Doc lives how much of the time after not protecting the Cop?)

Doc role only protects first kill Vi. So if they shoot me N2 (which is the only other thing that could block the kill) then they use it as an excuse to have Nukebringer nuke GIF and go "Wow, they used their night kill AND a nuke on GIF"

[GreyICE]

@UT: I like to believe that you fire COMMUNIST missiles like the Nodong but you've given them nuclear capabilities and renamed them Loldongs

As a shock to all i sabotaged mastin again

curiously this is day #2 where this cannot be validated

Actually it was 100% validated D1. Mastin's nuke didn't land and the SK killed Zito.

[GreyICE]

(Actually interesting question I await the response)

[GreyICE]

Wait what.

[GreyICE]

Not you SpyreX, the covert ops team.

Why the HELL did you even pick that ability? It's like the goggles.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE, why is Nahdia Town?

Because I literally just played a PYP game and 2 different people bid 100 on the Ninja. One player bid 100 on the Strongman. All three were town. I was scum with LLD, we didn't even consider bidding on the "scum" PRs.

Town -> "I'm not getting a town PR, I will deny the town these scum PRs!"
Scum -> "I don't want to claim a scummy role, I want a town role to deny it to the town and so I don't have to claim something scumtastic."

This is the draft: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Then she begged to be POE nuked yesterday. I admit she has a lot of motive to kill GIF, because that means she doesn't have to be POE nuked, but so does every friggin scum player in the game.

[GreyICE]

As scum id have not announced it for sure tried to hide more in the weeds waay longer.

And no way would i have sabotaged crazyface cause you know hes on for only good scum things

She, and... this is actually kinda convincing. Unless you're playing DEEP cover operative. Or LLD is scum. Because you had no reason to doubt Mastina besides the usual (aka she's cray cray)

[GreyICE]

Ceph i will give that just eating the pill here makes the most sense.

Unless you have a really compelling reason to just waste 48 hrs

so im probably like 5 steps behind everyone else just realizing this but since SpyreX sabbed mastin this post is kind of interesting.

Uh...

This is another reason she's town Vi. Things like this.

[GreyICE]

Like Spy, you really wanted Cephrir dead that badly?

[GreyICE]

LLD was asking for a scarce commodity. There's one investigate.

Nukes are a plentiful commodity. All scum-Nahdia needs is one player to go "oh that does sound like a good idea, NUKES AWAY LAWL"

[GreyICE]

Because Mastina said "I'm gonna nuke LLD immediately" for two game days. That forced out the fallout shelter softclaim and was generally obnoxious.

Now granted I still don't have any idea why Town-LLD picks fallout shelter. I know why scum-LLD would.

[GreyICE]

Like what's the line of reasoning: "I'll make the town use two investigates or an investigate/block combo in order to clear me, just so the scum can use their night kill on me"?

While I happily see LLD thinking "I don't trust this scumteam I'm going to have to make it to LyLo solo and someone is going to POE nuke me".

She's fucking scum and self voted and we lynch her.

[GreyICE]

That... doesn't sound like a particularly destructive thing? Unless she hadn't revealed at that time that she was the Fallout Shelter, merely that she was asking for investigations.

Okay fair.

I'm having trouble figuring out who LLD's scumbuddy would be. You (Cheetory) seem out based on the replace out interactions, Nahdia seems out, Cephrir seems out, that leaves MOI, UT and Spy? And I think both MOI (failsafe-scum? Plus townread?) and UT (counterwagon to scum, although he has been generally not amazing) are not likely and that's leaving SpyreX by POE.

[GreyICE]

Now we're crosstalking.

[GreyICE]

I mean I could see LLD unloading on a scumbuddy until they replaced out, I guess. And Cheetory weakly tunneling her for days while generally being uninspired would be exactly how to get her rage up at a scumbuddy. I mean basically all he did was weakly call other people's scumreads stupid, and the Nuke on accountant was fairly crap, which leaves the nuke on Hiplop which means nothing (scum have every reason to try and nuke the SK) so... you're kind of talking me out of townreading you TBH.

[GreyICE]

Hmmm... that argues LLD was trying to win this solo, since she got fallout shelter. Something_Smart, Spiffeh, Cheetory6, Nukebringer... oh hell yes LLD takes the fallout shelter there and prepares for another PYP 6 solo win.

[GreyICE]

You posted up a STORM in that stupid Fate game. Yes, eventually you trip over your own two feet and contradict yourself, but man everyone was townreading you for like half the day, and you damn near got me lynch except for the fact I was confirmed town.

[GreyICE]

Now we're crosstalking.

Now we're playing with POWER.

NUCLEAR

POWER.

So we're basically in the same place with {LLD, SpX, UT}. I acknowledge that I have done very little to know what Moai has been up to this game and will rely on you for that.

SAD had to die after doing the scummiest possible thing to hop from the SS wagon to the UT wagon. Like he made the argument that "reck would never risk his friendship with UT to vote UT in a mafia game" which is so painfully stupid that not only did UT hate it, RECK hated it. And he moved to the wagon Reck had started. It was a super good push, and SAD happened to flip town, oh well. I'd lynch him again ten times in ten under those circumstances.

His posting recently has been a bit lackluster, but I don't feel like Spiffeh or S_S or Nukebringer paid much attention to him. Like Spiffeh saw no reason to comment on the SAD wagon, that feels like "he dug his own grave". And Spiffeh likes to comment on everything his scumbuddies do and call it scummy. So at best I would call MOI possibly the SK, but I doubt that's a problem anymore.

[GreyICE]

but back on business

So we're basically in the same place with {LLD, SpX, UT}. I acknowledge that I have done very little to know what Moai has been up to this game and will rely on you for that.

Are we in agreement on this? I'll do better than my last game and actually stick to it, thereby not losing in a shameful and disgraceful manner.

I mean if we get LLD lynched today, good by me.

The only people I give my seal of approval of post death are Nahdia and MOI.

[GreyICE]

Although if this is another fucking nuke fakeout I'm going to seriously smash something

[GreyICE]

I still think Hiplop might have spite killed you Vi

[GreyICE]

Like... at least a 40% chance. It's not like he's given a shit about this game at any point, I don't think he'd think he deserves a win.

[GreyICE]

I'll save LLD the time and snap at you about pronouns. Stop.

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Okay, basic math time. I don't know where the nuke will land, but lets say it hits Cephrir, or me, or whatever (not Vi now, obviously). It hits town (which it will if it's either of us). That leaves us at 4:2:1. Lynch SK, 4:2. Scum NK, 3:2. With Vi and UT as our two Nukes. If Vi is scum, that's game.

Vi says mathematically we have to lynch the serial killer.

I say I might owe my wife an apology.

Vote: Vi

It's these fucking logical inconsistencies that get you every fucking time.

[GreyICE]

CEPHRIR PAY SOME FUCKING ATTENTION BECAUSE ONE OF THE TWO OF US IS DYING MOST LIKELY AND I SURE AS SHIT HOPE YOU CAN CARRY THIS.

Vi shoots UT. Now there's one nuke in play. 3:2. Vi uses nuke on town. Lynch Vi, nuke kills town, game fucking over.

[GreyICE]

Okay look Cephrir it doesn't matter how you read Cheetory. He posted random bullshit and how depressed he was, it was pure ATE and I don't care if he replaced out. He probably was depressed and he probably did have trouble playing. I've been there, I've done that, and I've done that as scum and it doesn't change that much.

Vi always makes the same mistake. Vi has a plan and the plan is 100% scum.

Lynching the SK is a 100% win for a Vi-SpyreX scumteam (actual mathematically guaranteed win), and a near certain win for any other Vi-X combination.

[GreyICE]

Well I guess not mathematically guaranteed if you aren't the target.

What's the first thing SpyreX says? "I bet Cephrir's the target". Vi has at least four different ways to win planned out in the scum QT right now, and they're in one of the scenarios.

[GreyICE]

I assume its hitting ceph but that's a hunch

Except ceph can still choke a nuke

Okay, babble more Ruskie scum

[GreyICE]

As for lynching scum, we're in 4:1:1. So we have to bank on crosskills. If they do crosskill it's 3:1, and UT will have a nuke, which will give us two shots to kill scum. Versus a literal mathematically guaranteed loss if your hunch is right, we lynch the SK and it's you/Vi.

So yeah, I'm getting really, really paranoid right now.

[GreyICE]

No SpyreX. I think Vi had this sitting in a word document and copy/pasted every bit of it into the QT when Vax died.

And the MOI launch won't ever happen. Scenario: It hits Cephrir and we lynch UT and he's the SK. Whose alive?

Me
LLD
Nadhia
You
Vi
MOI

You night kill LLD. Vi launches the nuke at Nadhia. How does MOI's failsafe help exactly?

[GreyICE]

And if the argument is me being scum in any scenario with the sabotage why not lynch me here? Because if I'm scum me dying guarantees at least one non scum nuke

Uh... how the hell does it guarantee that? UT could be the SK, unless you know something I don't.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE is the terrorist, Vi is scum...

And this is funny.

You know what? There's like a 50% chance I'm dead in a day and don't have to deal with this shit anymore.

So whatever, do you agree with me and will you lynch Vi with me?

[GreyICE]

HEY SPYREX:

No SpyreX. I think Vi had this sitting in a word document and copy/pasted every bit of it into the QT when Vax died.

And the MOI launch won't ever happen. Scenario: It hits Cephrir and we lynch UT and he's the SK. Whose alive?

Me
LLD
Nadhia
You
Vi
MOI

You night kill LLD. Vi launches the nuke at Nadhia. How does MOI's failsafe help exactly?

EXPLAIN SHIT T ME NOW

[GreyICE]

I'm not convinced the terrorist knows the link to the game thread after the Zito nuke.

[GreyICE]

Okay fine, if it lands on scum I'll reevaluate. If it lands on me it won't land on scum so then you better not be following Vi's "hunt for the fucking SK" plan.

[GreyICE]

-_-

Can you see why I have zero faith in that

[GreyICE]

DID YOU NUKE ME

[GreyICE]

Can you help me lynch scum for once in your miserable life rather than fucking wagoning me every time I'm town you shithead

[GreyICE]

OH RIGHT

YOU'RE STILL A SHITHEAD

[GreyICE]

WELL THEN VOTE BETTER DAUGHTER

[GreyICE]

If I were the SK I would have blown your brains out Night 1 so I didn't have to deal with this crap.

[GreyICE]

You laugh like it's funny.

I laugh like you didn't do this every fucking single game we ever play together. Eat a dick

[GreyICE]

I made something for you.



It's a dick sandwich

[GreyICE]

Uh okay.

First, I'm the one person in the game Reck couldn't block. I didn't know Fate had a nuke Silo, I didn't know Spiffeh had a nuke silo, and if I did I'd have assumed he'd lolnuke Nukebringer from, oh, his stated words.

And if I need Cephrir dead that badly, why did I argue with Mastina to get her to recall the fucking nuke?

[GreyICE]

Like literally you're so bad that if you're town we're going to have words. And those words are going to be "you are such a fucking shithead."

UT is the SK.

He shot Fate because Fate would lolnuke him
He shot UT because UT would lolnuke him
He shot Zito because there was a threat that Zito would nuke him
He shot Reck because Reck could easily tunnel on to him and block him with his ACC <- SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK
And now he's nuking Cephrir because Cephrir is the doctor

I mean seriously. It's the shittiest logic I've ever fucking seen. OH AND HE DIDN'T TRY HIS DAMNEST TO KEEP CEPHRIR ALIVE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT MORE FUCKING TOWN DYING TODAY

[GreyICE]

*He shot Spiffeh

[GreyICE]

LIKE GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS

YOU ARE BEING THE RHINOX

[GreyICE]

Cool story.

Please god let that nuke hit me so I can spend the next four weeks laughing in your face

[GreyICE]

Grey, ACC stops Sub nukes. If you got ACC'd your sub would not work and then suddenly Reck's here like "HUH NO SK SUB WHEN I BLOCK GREYICE?"

COOL STORY

AIRBASE BLOCKS ACCS

[GreyICE]

AND EVERY OTHER ABILITY THOSE SHITHEADS USE ON ME AT NIGHT

INCLUDING THEIR FUCKING KILL

[GreyICE]

Air Base: Capable of deploying a wide variety of response aircraft within seconds and fortified to the brink, any infrastructure surrounding the air base becomes incredibly difficult to penetrate. {

You are immune to all non-nuclear activated abilities

. Note: This includes the Stealth Bomber and terrorist attack.}

SEND HELP

I'M LLD AND I'M ILLITERATE

[GreyICE]

FACTS DON'T BOTHER ME

MY THEORY IS INDEPENDENT OF FACTS

[GreyICE]

I was actually kind of getting along with Reck this game. I've found as long as I don't read his posts he's quite tolerable. And he doesn't post.

I seriously have the least motive of any potential SK in the game to kill Reck.

[GreyICE]

Well I guess not mathematically guaranteed if you aren't the target.

What's the first thing SpyreX says? "I bet Cephrir's the target". Vi has at least four different ways to win planned out in the scum QT right now, and they're in one of the scenarios.

Even in my world where you're wrong, Spyre is my best guess for both flavors of scum, so... my vote's looking pretty ok in the short run.

That still flat loses to Vi+anyone if he's the SK

[GreyICE]

Actually not only that, it loses to UT+Anyone if SpyreX is the SK.

SpyreX is about the worst possible lynch today. Literally the worst.

[GreyICE]

I was actually kind of getting along with Reck this game. I've found as long as I don't read his posts he's quite tolerable. And he doesn't post.

I seriously have the least motive of any potential SK in the game to kill Reck.

YOU LITERALLY V/LA'D UNTIL HE WAS DEAD

HE'D JUST POSTED FIVE PAGES OF FUCKING SPAM THAT MADE MY EYES BLEED

IT WAS A JOKE AND YOU KNOW MY SENSE OF HUMOR YOU SCUMFUCK

I ALSO INTERACTED WELL WITH HIM AND WE WERE WORKING TOGETHER JUST A LITTLE WHILE LATER

[GreyICE]

We literally CAN'T lynch SpyreX today if you think he's the SK. Cephrir... Cephrir I need your head in this and not in your ass.

[GreyICE]

*sigh*

I'd ask you to put in Death Note Mafia and PYP and Neighborhood mafia and every fucking other time you've done this. And you'd call it a scum tactic and throw it in my face. So go eat a dick, I'm going to go play board games AT YOUR REQUEST

[GreyICE]

Well its nice to see some signs of life from you. Oh wait it's to obsessively SK hunt while acknowledging that we couldn't possibly lynch the SK anyway.

Vote: LLD

I have a long response to type up to Vi at some point mentioning how Vi breadcrumbed a role post 1 in Fate's game using an incredibly complex reference to a previous game that was both undeniable, undetectable, and ironclad, and asked "would I do this as scum" then not only had no real answer to our universal "yes" but then also subsequently flipped scum. But this will do.

[GreyICE]

Why wouldn't we be lynching LLD exactly? She jumped straight from me = scum to me = SK. It's a classic 100% scum thing to do - to be forced to try and make convincing arguments that someone is scum, and then logic yourself into actually believing they're scum, and jump to the one type of scum that they could possibly be.

Plus if we wagon any other scumbutt in the town they'll just claim SK at L-1 and stick us with a stupid fucking choice. I mean at least the SK will know where to shoot if they're aiming for scum, but good god I don't want to play the game of "do we lynch the claimed SK"

[GreyICE]

No LLD you're not wiggling out of this now. I got paranoid at Vi and you used this as leverage to call me the SK. Get fucked scumfuck.

[GreyICE]

Lynching the SK is the one way to guarantee town loss.

I swear unto god do you just pop up to read things about the SK?

[GreyICE]

No LLD you're not wiggling out of this now. I got paranoid at Vi and you used this as leverage to call me the SK. Get fucked scumfuck.

I forgive you because you're the SK, but can you kindly fuck off?

Get fucked scumfuck.

[GreyICE]

WELL GUESS WHAT

IM TOWN

SO GO FUCK YOURSELF

PEDIT: THAT WAS TO UT YOU SELF-CENTERED SCUMBAG

[GreyICE]

Cool.

I'm putting my vote in park and walking away.

[GreyICE]

It's all bad for town, but if we lynch the SK then SpyreX+you or SpyreX+Vi can literally force the town to all die. Even if SpyreX is town, we'd still have a 50/50 of losing on the spot.

So yes, pray for crosskills.

PEDIT: Okay so your argument is I genuinely think you're scum and want to lynch you, but as SK not town. So... get dead.

[GreyICE]

I am not the SK. I remain not the SK, and you can happily lynch me and find out... not the SK.

This is top fucking news though.

VOTE: UT

[GreyICE]

So I owe Reck an apology. Sue me.

[GreyICE]

Given the odds that Vi is both the last scum and unlynchable? Hell yes. You are too, at least you're claiming to be.

[GreyICE]

vote GreyICE

hitching my wagon to the LLD train

So lets drill down on this. What do you like about LLD's arguments, UT? Because if you're saying "she can read me" let me assure you, her track record of this is SHIT. Team Mafia PYP - she swears that I am 100% scum, must be scum, absolutely have to be scum. I'm town. Neighborhood mafia (where we were all interlocking mini neighborhoods) I say that the neighborhood I was in with her was all town. She wigs out, insists I'm 100% scum, must flip scum, must be lynched. Results? I'm town, so was she, so were BOTH OTHER PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. Death Note mafia, she insists I will absolutely 100% flip scum, she is willing to be lynched day 2 if she's wrong, she must be right, she can 100% read me. Town.

So UT, fill in the blanks. What do you like in her arguments, exactly? Besides the fact you don't get lynched today, obviously.

[GreyICE]

Oh and to fill in the rest, she shoots me early as scum, and I do the same to her. I was the first person the scum night killed in the game - she is NOT cleared no matter what. I have trouble seeing why Spiffeh/Cephrir/Nukebringer/X shoots me immediately as their TOP PRIORITY SHOT if X is anyone other than MOI or LLD.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE 4981 and company opens the question of "would someone be this wrong as scum", especially with the super-brash call scum hitting the Air Base instead of the claimed Cop WHILE assuming the scum assumed (without evidence) that the Cop was under Doctor protection, which actually managed to get the original Cephrir nuke called off. Nahdia around 4877 is the opposite, whether it looks like too much knowledge and not enough wishing for death.

Sorry love, unless you think that I convinced my entire scumteam to no kill N2 in order to move myself up to primo Submarine target and clear myself of being ONE SPECIFIC TYPE of scum rather than just shooting LLD in her head, you're nuts. Hell, she'll even tell you you're nuts. Then tell you I'm the SK and you should lynch me anyway

[GreyICE]

Oh and to fill in the rest, she shoots me early as scum, and I do the same to her. I was the first person the scum night killed in the game - she is NOT cleared no matter what. I have trouble seeing why Spiffeh/Cephrir/Nukebringer/X shoots me immediately as their TOP PRIORITY SHOT if X is anyone other than MOI or LLD.

LLD can't read you for shit, but you kill her early when you're scum? Can't have it both ways, cupcake.

Because she always wigs out and tried to lynch me. If someone tries to lynch you regardless of alignment when you are scum you kill them.

Now stop dodging the question you scumfuck. What do you like about her arguements? Plan on dodging again?

[GreyICE]

Also, nukes can save you from nukes. You had the good fortune to be a counterwagon to scum day 1 so you got to stick the silo in nuke mode, secure in the knowledge that no one wants to lynch a day 1 counterwagon to scum.

[GreyICE]

Yeah see when I'm making fun of you in the post game, it's gonna be... oh it won't mean shit you'll do it again. I don't know why you hate Wisdom, you're just like him.

Now UT, answer. It's gonna look hella bad tomorrow if you don't.

[GreyICE]

Haha.

So I'll talk to the non idiot townies. That's everyone else alive FYI. You go do you.

[GreyICE]

By the way it'll be hilarious if UT is the SK, SpyreX is scum and you can't even sell a single townie on my wagon.

[GreyICE]

No it's all true. I'm sick and tired of you doing this every fucking game. It's past unendurable, it's literally motivating me to quit the site. You have no idea how tempted I am to just self hammer and delete my account.

[GreyICE]

Your arguments were complete shit, literally complete shit, you admitted as much, UT sheeps you with literally no reason, and you assure me he's not the SK. Every. Fucking. Time. With. The. Moron. Tunnels.

[GreyICE]

You are horrid, and if I draw any flavor of scum I would have shot you back when you were calling me definitely town. Definitely over Spiffeh, for instance. You think I just choose to leave you alive over him?

[GreyICE]

Oh yeah, rubbing wins in my face. You never do that every time you draw scum or traitor.

[GreyICE]

Literally every time.

[GreyICE]

Oh for fucks sake I can't even take it.

What the hell do you mean "see my actions as scummier than they were?" Your entire logic was that the serial killers kills pointed to me being scum, you just admitted you always read me as scum, and I apparently didn't shoot you? How does that even make sense?

PEDIT: Option 3 is I drive home a lynch on the SK, don't get NKed because obvious, then spend all of tomorrow laughing at you.

[GreyICE]

I pick option 3. LLD, your argument is UT is town. Why?

[GreyICE]

So it's literally all numbers, the thing you lynched me for in PYP.

So after day 1, who nukes UT?

[GreyICE]

Also you neglect the possibility he did put something else first and just got unlucky. Sub was obviously the bonus choice.

[GreyICE]

b) If multiple players have selected the same first choice, it will be awarded randomly.

[GreyICE]

So order the abilities that are better than a limited bulletproof/additional kill. Go on, order them. Then explain to me how it's guaranteed by roles again. Because I don't think anyone in the entire game got their third choice.

[GreyICE]

Okay.

So what abilities are better again? Yours isn't. Yours is scum as shit tbh. See if you picked nuke you could nuke me and look stupid right now. That might get you lynched though. Easier to just avoid retaliatory nukes, eh?

Is airbase better? How often does UT get night killed? You think he is frequently night killed in a game with a player base this strong?

PEDIT: you think aircraft carrier is better? You think fucking FIGHTER is better? You are literally trolling me. How is sabotage... oh this is pointless.

I'm talking to non-Wisdom players now.

[GreyICE]

AND I ASKED YOU A QUESTION YOU DIDNT ANSWER.

IT WOULD REQUIRE THOUGHT.

[GreyICE]

So order the abilities that are better than a limited bulletproof/additional kill. Go on, order them. Then explain to me how it's guaranteed by roles again. Because I don't think anyone in the entire game got their third choice.

ACC, Sabotage, Air Base, Fallout Shelter, Fighter, Espeionage, Strategic Missle Defense.

All better than a Silo he has never put in Defense Mode.

LOOK AT THIS LIST PEOPLE

JUST LOOK

[GreyICE]

YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN BLATANTLY FULL OF SHIT

YOU ASK WHY NO ONE RESPECTS YOUR SKILL. MAYBE SHIT LIKE THAT.

[GreyICE]

MAYBE THEY READ YOUR OBVIOUSLY STUPID POSTS AND GO WOW THAT POST IS OBVIOUSLY STUPID

AND ASSUME YOU ARE A STUPID PERSON

[GreyICE]

That wasn't an answer

Who nukes UT after day 1?

[GreyICE]

Yeah okay. Go fuck yourself.

[GreyICE]

Also hilarious you're calling for me to be speedlynched

Then demanding patience

Fuckwit

[GreyICE]

So you'd rather mislynch me quickly than try to find scum. Stupid but consistent?

Fine. I'll talk to others.

[GreyICE]

I'd prefer you actually vote scum. But I'll take it too.

[GreyICE]

No

[GreyICE]

the one person Russians cannot unilaterally kill

what a great deployment for the SK, huh?

Yeah, I mean if you were such an excellent player that you regularly got night killed by scum right off the bat it would be an excellent choice for SK. It'd also be an excellent choice for town good enough to get night killed right off the bat too.

If you were kinda jerkass lurker town who tends to end up in LyLos because they're just good enough to not be the slowest person in the room when the lynch comes about, but lynchbait enough the scumteam didn't try and kill them ever, you'd have a dilemma. You'd want more kills to accelerate the game so the lynch couldn't get around to you, but you'd want some way to dodge the dayvigs too. Hey, could there be something that does both?

Untrod Tripod, who was a Mafia roleblocker, has survived the endgame.
Untrod Tripod, who was Card Guard, Eight of Hearts, and Town Compulsive Bodyguard, has survived to Endgame!
Untrod Tripod - Killed Night 4 - Town Even-night Rolestopper
Untrod Tripod, Mafia Rolecop, survived
Untrod Tripod has commited suicide Night One! He was A Sanskrit Kitten, Town Regal Conditional Tracker.
Untrod Tripod, shot Night Two, was Sebastian Montes, the Town Constable.
Untrod Tripod, Clue Mafia, Miss Scarlet (Town) - Killed in Endgame
Untrod Tripod, Coover Bennett, Mafia Goon, survives and wins with the mafia.

I mean like seriously, here's how it works. Either you have a strong town power role, or you survive to endgame. You survived to endgame as a compulsive bodyguard. You're some strange species of weed that isn't useful for anything but can't be killed.

Now tell me what you found compelling about LLD's arguements.

[GreyICE]

By the way, that was just browsing the last bunch of games you've played in.

You've committed suicide due to weird role restrictions in a UPick more often then you've been night killed by scum without a strong power role.

[GreyICE]

Hey UT, what do you find so convincing about LLD's case? For the fourth time?

Vi: UT is the SK, SpyreX isn't. Your theory is that UT is group scum. I think UT is the SK and one of you/SpyreX/LLD is the last scum (and yes, LLD's scumbuddies are fully capable of thinking she's a jackass, because she doesn't listen to them anyway).

[GreyICE]

See, UT can't answer that question.

SpyreX is 100% right. He doesn't shoot Fate N1. That was UT's shot.

[GreyICE]

Man you know for a fact that was a fucking awful point for me so go fuck yourself.

[GreyICE]

Like seriously. You know what happened, you know why that happened. That was fucking over the line you ass.

[GreyICE]

Like i said i could have dealt with russian talk up until the ceph lynch but never sk. Not in infinity years in the multiverse.

Grey you're starting to sway me some these slowbies are gonna paranoia me into stasis

You know he kills me tonight right?

If we don't lynch him he kills me tonight.

And then we never have a chance to lynch him again because BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSSs

So "I" kill you tonight and what? Get nuked tomorrow?

Fine by me because when UT flips SK I'll get to laugh straight to the bank with this.

[GreyICE]

Man you know for a fact that was a fucking awful point for me so go fuck yourself.

I mean, are you saying this game isn't making you feel similarly awful?

I'm not trying to fucking condemn you for the action, you know that.

I'm just pointing out the similarity in emotional response and the difference in action.

Yes Lexi, the day I was laid off from my job which I at a firm which I was hoping to stay at long term, forcing me to go into the fucking horrid job search cycle again, which has fortunately worked out was SLIGHTLY worse than the day you decided to be an unutterable prick in a mafia game.

[GreyICE]

Actually, I made a list of all the days you've been an unutterable prick in a mafia game.

It's like... all it says is "ending in the letter y?" Why that's... Monday, definitely and Tuesday, and Wednesday and Thursday too... Friday... Saturday... holy shit, I think it's all of them.

[GreyICE]

Yes Lexi, the same fucking day. I just took a VLA here because I needed the time. I was at L-1 in that game, I might have been able to claim and dismantle the wagon, I might not have. I didn't have the energy to try.

[GreyICE]

Okay, if Vi doesn't nuke me as scum.

Vi doesn't win the game.

Get that? Vi-scum must nuke me to win the game. It is absolutely a thing Vi scum must do.

[GreyICE]

And if hypothetical serial killer me shoots Vi tonight, then what am I going to do? Submarine you tomorrow?

Or maybe... maybe... maybe I'm trying to lynch a guy who I think is the SK? Holy shit Lexi, he doesn't even know what about your arguments he likes. If he ran the self-preservation flag up any higher he'd need a beanstalk to mount it on clouds.

[GreyICE]

or not at all, if Vi is town.

Vi is absolutely planning to nuke me if UT doesn't flip SK and the SK doesn't die tonight. And I'm fine with that.

[GreyICE]

Actually, I made a list of all the days you've been an unutterable prick in a mafia game.

It's like... all it says is "ending in the letter y?" Why that's... Monday, definitely and Tuesday, and Wednesday and Thursday too... Friday... Saturday... holy shit, I think it's all of them.

My conviction isn't faltering and frankly if you're this upset that I'm scum reading you, I don't know what to tell you.

You're literally upset at me because I decided you were the serial killer in a lylo situation. The rest of this shit is you blowing up at me.

I'm genuinely trying to not fucking yell scream or get angry with you anymore because it's not worth it and it's like you're trying to bait me.

I'm genuinely upset you brought up something which I told you for a fact at the time the reason for.

I told you I didn't want to bring it onto this site, I wanted to quietly go VLA in this game and forget about that game and focus on the job search.

And you fucking made it a point against me in this game.

Fuck you, that was a low fucking blow.

[GreyICE]

The game ain't over until the fat lady sings, as Vi has pointed out. Is MOI town? You think I'm the SK, if he's town there's a town controlled kill because they have to kill him (not just "endgame him"). Is Vi town? Is UT? One of UT, Vi, and MOI must be town by flat mathematics. Especially if you think I'm the SK.

Hey Lexi, you've played on site what, over 6 years? How often does UT go "wow LLD, my favorite player, I unquestioningly sheep her at the most critical juncture of the game to date"? Like honestly, how many times has he said that on the most important day of the game? Not day 1, not day 2, a day where the town win percentage swings from like 75% on a correct lynch to 25% on an incorrect lynch... and he blindly sheeps you. You must have played what, 15, 20 games with him? How many of them has he done that in?

Pedit: Apology accepted, as you knew it would be <3

[GreyICE]

Like seriously, look at this LLD: Mastina cancels the nuke in 5033. Almost immediately Cheetory launches the nuke at Hiplop. He was trying to nuke the SK. And the reason he was trying to nuke the SK was that he was under the belief that Cephrir would live. With him and Cephrir living through the day then scum would be much better off with a dead SK. He made his decision virtually the instant Mastina recalled the nuke.

This was 90% scum shooting at the SK. Vi immediately went on an SK hunt and then backpeddled when I shot down Vi's math. Vi's a fucking MATH MAJOR. I shouldn't be shooting down Vi's math.

Like who is the last Ruskie? Oh tell me great crystal ball...

Andrius, does a specific scum player submit the kill?

No, the factional nightkill is not assigned to any one member.
This explains why the Radar and Fighter cannot track or learn factional abilities, respectively.

The Terrorist benefits from a similar clause in that his kill is also a factional ability, being a product of his alignment and not the draft itself.

So what you're saying here is, the nightkills cannot be blocked at all by the aircraft carrier?

Well, uh.

Cancel launch

.
Technically I should wait for the mod to say yes.
But if the mod says yes. Then that means either Ceph stopped the scum kill (making him town), or the scum killed the holder of the airbase (which is either MoI or GreyICE), making THEM town.

It also technically reopens the gate for LLD to be the serial killer, but that's hiplop anyway.

Nuke: hiplop

[GreyICE]

I mean you disagree with me here on this?

[GreyICE]

Okay so we're on the same page there.

So when has UT ever sheeped you, SERIOUSLY

[GreyICE]

Vi loses a game for town.

Gloats about it. As town.

[GreyICE]

Man and you guys thought I was the SK. Maybe there's a little bit in you all.

[GreyICE]

Oh for fucks sake you troll.

Good game I guess.

[GreyICE]

One obviously wasn't the SK, and arguing with Fate is just too stressful. No repeat of Zoraster's mafia game, not up for it this time around.