DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Untrod Tripod]

sarcasm doesn't convey well over the internet, muh bad

[Untrod Tripod]

still, mastina was unequivocably townreading me. why do you think I'd nuke her as scum?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

still, mastina was unequivocably townreading me. why do you think I'd nuke her as scum?

It's a free death? I mean, it's a nuke you can perform without having to be controlled which is clearly important to scum you because that's why you'd go defensive as scum here today.

I'm not like set one way or another on you or SpyreX, but here's the thing.

Unless Vi flips scum... the final scum voted for the SK yesterday, something that they couldn't really afford.

So, I need to look at you two and decide which of you actually believed I was right about GreyICE and which one thought I was wrong and was hoping to generate a mislynch.

[Andrius]

Votecount

---

Not Voting [4] - Vi, Untrod Tripod, SpyreX, Lady Lambdadelta

It is now Day Five, which will end at 21:00 PST on 12/29/2016.
With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Projected Impact Times:
Vi: (expired on 2016-12-18 10:05:49)

Nuclear Detonation does NOT reset the Votecount.

[Vi]

So why, god why, didn't MoI nuke UT after he claimed to go into defensive mode?

1) because he lined this shot on me up and explicitly said he would do this
2) because you lined this shot on me up and explicitly said he should do this

Also I'm still kind of lost on how the Russians couldn't afford to lynch the SK Yesterday, because what happened was exactly the situation required for the Russians to have a chance (the removal of the Air Base and Fail Safe), as I was explicitly saying Yesterday. Moreover, if the Terrorist was the Air Base, Russia basically had to make that lynch or have a solid probability of dying in the crossfire Today.

But nope don't mind me clearly obvious nukebait scum over here still in amazement that the Nekonfidante who got to play me on a string at gratuitous length last game caught me out.

[Untrod Tripod]

also he probably didn't want to nuke town :3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So why, god why, didn't MoI nuke UT after he claimed to go into defensive mode?

1) because he lined this shot on me up and explicitly said he would do this
2) because you lined this shot on me up and explicitly said he should do this

Also I'm still kind of lost on how the Russians couldn't afford to lynch the SK Yesterday, because what happened was exactly the situation required for the Russians to have a chance (the removal of the Air Base and Fail Safe), as I was explicitly saying Yesterday. Moreover, if the Terrorist was the Air Base, Russia basically had to make that lynch or have a solid probability of dying in the crossfire Today.

But nope don't mind me clearly obvious nukebait scum over here still in amazement that the Nekonfidante who got to play me on a string at gratuitous length last game caught me out.

last game?

play on a string?

I'm confused.

[Vi]

UT, would you care to remind LLD what the last game I played was?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also I think scum's win % was higher if they lynch town, kill MoI and have MoI nuke GreyICE from orbit. Sure they need to dodge a nightkill from the SK, but the SK couldn't shoot for scum that night anyway so...

Like let's assume that you're town Vi, and that scum SpyreX or UT lynches you.

Goes into night and kills MoI. GreyICE kills me because he HAS to.

That leaves Nahdia, UT, SpyreX, GreyICE alive.

MoI recognizes instantly that SK needs to die for town to have any chance, nukes GreyICE.

GreyICE recognizes he's lost and is now kingmaker. He has a 2/3 shot of nuking town. Additionally, if it's SpyreX, SpyreX could just sabotage GreyICE if he wanted and play a normal lylo.

And if it's UT, even better. Put your silo in defense mode and at worst you play lylo.

Because it's a submarine nuke right? so no one knows who it's going to hit until it lands.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UT, would you care to remind LLD what the last game I played was?

this feels like a dissociative amnesia thing, one second

[Untrod Tripod]

holy shit was it http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=62299

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...oh

[Vi]

Why is it that all of your arguments start with the assumption that everyone knew GreyICE was the Terrorist?

[Untrod Tripod]

because LLD has known GI was terrorist since that night her team tried to shoot him and he wouldn't die?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why is it that all of your arguments start with the assumption that everyone knew GreyICE was the Terrorist?

Because it was obvious to me?

Maybe I'm too egocentric.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

because LLD has known GI was terrorist since that night her team tried to shoot him and he wouldn't die?

Two problems with that theory

1) That doesn't confirm him as SK, just as Air Base
2) I spent literal half a game day accusing GreyICE of being Fail Safe and

WAS ALMOST LYNCHED FOR BEING WRONG

[Untrod Tripod]

Were you almost lynched

Were you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like there is a preponderance of evidence that shows I'm not scum.

The fact that I thought GreyICE was Fail Safe when scum have been proven to have killed him night 2.
The fact that I pushed for Cephrir's poison death so heavily.
The fact that from DAY MOTHERFUCKING ONE I was asking the Cop to investigate me as Russian/Not Russian.

[Untrod Tripod]

Why is it that all of your arguments start with the assumption that everyone knew GreyICE was the Terrorist?

Because it was obvious to me?

Maybe I'm too egocentric.

Tbf he pretty much claimed terrorist after the second vote on him

[Untrod Tripod]

Like there is a preponderance of evidence that shows I'm not scum.

The fact that I thought GreyICE was Fail Safe when scum have been proven to have killed him night 2.
The fact that I pushed for Cephrir's poison death so heavily.
The fact that from DAY MOTHERFUCKING ONE I was asking the Cop to investigate me as Russian/Not Russian.

sure is WIFOM in here

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Were you almost lynched

Were you

Vi GreyICE and MoI all seemed ready to lynch me.

and while Nahdia thought I was town you and SpyreX were predictably in the middle.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like there is a preponderance of evidence that shows I'm not scum.

The fact that I thought GreyICE was Fail Safe when scum have been proven to have killed him night 2.
The fact that I pushed for Cephrir's poison death so heavily.
The fact that from DAY MOTHERFUCKING ONE I was asking the Cop to investigate me as Russian/Not Russian.

sure is WIFOM in here

There is a difference between WIFOM plays scum might risk, and a preponderance of circumstantial evidence pointing to behaviour scum just wouldn't do.

Scum!LLD, the survivalist who fashions her game on being the anchor scum who carries, would never ask for that investigation, especially now that NAhdia has flipped town and is confirmed.

Scum!LLD MIGHT do something where she pretends not to know what Grey's role is, but she wouldn't aggressively be wrong about the role and then look completely terrible.

Scum!LLD might bus her partner in Cephrir and do that whole charade... but there was no wiggle room in what I did. Cephrir either had to abort or Mastin was going to live. The only thing that stopped it was GreyICE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There comes a point where you can no longer sit there and say "yes LLD is a great player who could have pulled off any one of those moves to confuse us"

and realize

"LLD is a smart player who would never risk all 3 of those moves to confuse us"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not risk averse, but I'm Tight Aggressive. I take calculated risks, not wild ones.

So yeah, my behaviour is pretty fucking gold standard town in hindsight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you think differently, explain my motivations for pushing GreyICE as scum (not SK, scum) and calling him Fail Safe.