Mini 497 - Game Over

[Flameaxe]

I'm starting to think I should probably try to find everything I want to say before posting, because triple posting is a bad habit that no one should ever get caught up in doing.

Except you have...stop lying.

I've only been on, what, 2 pages of a 25 page game? THAT's a lot? Well, I suppose is must seem like a lot to a lurker.

Yarp, I lurked all of day 1. What're gonna do about it? Bring the pain!

[Sephiroth]

Out of curiosity flame, why are you voting mizzy? I really dont see where youre coming from.

[Flameaxe]

Unvote, Vote: Mizzy

I have a hunch, and if you have played with me before, you would know that my hunches are rather accurate.

[Flameaxe]

DURR READING HARD GUYS. READING HARD!

[Sephiroth]

no, i saw your reason. I was just wondering if you had anything thing better to warrant a vote then "I got a hunch guys, lynchlynchlynch"

[Flameaxe]

You're meta is obviously lacking then. Because if it was decent, you would be on the wagon with me, even if it IS bussing your scumbuddy.

C'MON ELIAS!

[Flameaxe]

(Of course it was solidified with some of the responses to my post/vote though...)

[-TinVision-]

Erm. You think that most likely, THREE out of those four people (including me) are scum? I find this incredibly scummy. You genuinely believe that you've managed to find three scum out of four. Call me skeptical, but I don't know anyone who can replace in and point out three scum. I'm especially skeptical when their evidence is ONE deadline vote count.

Completely disagree with this. Have you ever played with Glork?

Nope. Like I said: No one I know.

@mizzy: Your reasoning is flawed. You think that three out of four are anti-town, based on the odds? There's no probable basis to think that. The odds against all of the scum jumping on the same bandwagon are pretty damn big. Even with a deadline, the only reason to do that that I can imagine would be if the next-biggest wagon was a scum, but I still find it quite implausible.

[Atticus]

I'm actually quite tempted to follow Flameaxe in a vote on Mizzy.

But her play reeks of overconfidence, and it is unusual to find so bold an odor in a scum player, especially one of such newbness. I think her reasoning is horrible, but I'd have to do a fact check to see what she got right.

My wait is mainly on Aimee.

[kabenon007]

Flameaxe is annoying me. He expects us to follow him based on hunches we do not know, but we are to trust him? Just... trust his hunches... right...

[Shanba]

Erm. You think that most likely, THREE out of those four people (including me) are scum? I find this incredibly scummy. You genuinely believe that you've managed to find three scum out of four. Call me skeptical, but I don't know anyone who can replace in and point out three scum. I'm especially skeptical when their evidence is ONE deadline vote count.

Completely disagree with this. Have you ever played with Glork?

Nope. Like I said: No one I know.

The reason I bring up the example of Glork is not that I think he could pick out the scum in that way (though I guess it's possible) but because of a conscious playstyle decision of his to appear mroe sure than he is. Obviously, noone can ever be certain that another player is scum, barring role info, but that doesn't stop you from believing that a player

is

scum. Overstating your opinions gets better reactions etc.

Bleh. That was incoherent. Sorry.

[Flameaxe]

Flameaxe is annoying me. He expects us to follow him based on hunches we do not know, but we are to trust him? Just... trust his hunches... right...

I'm...sorry?

[kabenon007]

I don't expect you to be sorry. Just stating the obvious. Maybe, instead of apologizing, tell us why we should be voting Mizzy? Perhaps? Maybe?

[Flameaxe]

You should go back and read my posts there, buddy.

[Sephiroth]

Flame, all youve done is call her posts bullshit. You didnt actually explain why it was, you just called it bullshit. Thats definately not a reason for everyone to jump on her wagon. I'm pretty suspicious of people who are like "might be joining in mizzy vote soon'.
...based on what?!

[Flameaxe]

Based on people knowing that following my gut is a pro-town move, clearly. What we need is a good old-fashioned Mizzywagon to get this game movin'.

[Sephiroth]

oh, you just want a wagon. Well, I'm /in.

vote: mizzy

[Flameaxe]

No, I just want the wagon to start out. I'm leaving room for improvement that leads to my ultimate goal.

[Sephiroth]

hrm. well im just joining because wagoning is full or win.

[Mizzy]

hrm. well im just joining because wagoning is full or win.

And because voting for me makes you look less like scum, AND it takes some of the FoS focus off of you. Good move, no wonder people wanted (want?) you dead.

I haven't had time to write a follow-up post (I've been needing 12-14 hours of sleep a day, ugh, talk about a timesink) but what I wanted to say (and started to before) was that after re-reading every post up to this point a 4th time, it seems to me that Kab and Seph were probably set up to lynchfest everyone and what they had said/done, when looked at again, look more like they had been lead and goaded into voting for CKD.

This is another reason I suspect TinVision; because Seph at least took responsibility beforehand for the death of CKD, even if he turned out to be townie, and kab also seemed genuinely surprised...but TinVision said nothing about his help in killing a townie. He gave the lynchwagon the gentle push it needed, and then sat back and watched while two other players felt the guilt.

So, at this time, I no longer suspect Kab or Seph, though Seph is making me wish otherwise.

Sheesh, guys, if this is how you treat someone who's intention was to generate conversation in the hopes of reviving a game you all almost let die, then I can see why you're having trouble finding other replacements.

Also keep in mind that too many mis-lynches due to tunnel vision, incorrect/flawed bandwagoning, and lack of forward thought leads to a mafia win. Which this game is already headed towards. *Golfclap*

[Sephiroth]

how does wagoning make me look less like scum, and how am I making you wish that you suspected me?Band-wagoning is good for town, and something that scum can easily join in doing to look like town with little detriment. Thus, its a null point, as both sides have motivation to do it.

[Mizzy]

how does wagoning make me look less like scum, and how am I making you wish that you suspected me?Band-wagoning is good for town, and something that

scum can easily join in doing to look like town with little detriment.

Thus, its a null point, as both sides have motivation to do it.

So you would actively do something to allow scum to kill townies withou detriment? You would actively give them an out?

Bandwagoning is generally not a good thing to do without good reasoning to back things up. You guys should have learned that on the CKD kill, but I suppose you didn't.

Well, go ahead and bandwagon then, and then I can move on to a less hopeless game.

[Sephiroth]

So you would actively do something to allow scum to kill townies withou detriment? You would actively give them an out?

Bandwagoning is generally not a good thing to do without good reasoning to back things up. You guys should have learned that on the CKD kill, but I suppose you didn't.

Well, go ahead and bandwagon then, and then I can move on to a less hopeless game.

You just come off sounding retarded in this post. What exactly is the correlation between bandwagons and lynches? Are you honestly claiming that every bandwagon turns into a lynch? Not even the majority of bandwagons turn into lynches. The purpose of a bandwagon is to garner reactions and record who jumps on, and why, then derail it before the lynch.

A whole other issue is saying that the CKD lynch was a bandwagon. It was barely even enough votes to lynch at deadline, making it not a bandwagon. And I thought it had fairly good evidence. If I didn't I wouldnt have been on it.

[JDodge]

SeraphicMirth replaces joost.

[Mizzy]

You just come off sounding retarded in this post. What exactly is the correlation between bandwagons and lynches? Are you honestly claiming that every bandwagon turns into a lynch? Not even the majority of bandwagons turn into lynches. The purpose of a bandwagon is to garner reactions and record who jumps on, and why, then derail it before the lynch.

A whole other issue is saying that the CKD lynch was a bandwagon. It was barely even enough votes to lynch at deadline, making it not a bandwagon. And I thought it had fairly good evidence. If I didn't I wouldnt have been on it.

My point is that you seem to be 100% willing to hop onto something that you know gives mafia a chance to act in a way that doesn't harm their case. That doesn't seem very pro-town to me.