Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

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[Nachomamma8]

Ok? Not sure what this is supposed to be convincing me of other then you bussing Nacho is very much a possibility.

And this is... completely missing the point.
Mastina talked about a game where she bussed me and everything went to shit shortly after as a sort of parable to not bud the shit out of your partners for no reason.

[mastina]

Mastin, can you sell me to Prism please, I need to focus on Cakez

I'm not quite sure how to sum it up.

You're town because this level of play from you would be unprecedented as scum. Yes, you put deliberate effort into improving your game. You read theory. You, as scum, would have Pine backing you. You have some town players willing to give you tips to improve in-game as well. But there's just...well, just not exactly a way for you to make THAT much of an improvement in your scumgame all of a sudden. The way you engaged people changed overnight.

The interactions became solid. And here's the thing. Here's the real thing. You're standing up, excelling, at real-time interaction. Real-time interaction is BRUTAL for scum. It's something that they can't take well. Yet you? You're thriving, keeping paces with the best. You did it with me and Prism yesterday; you're doing it with me and Nacho today. And the Nacho jam session is a different skillset entirely from the Prism ego contest. The sincerity you've shown throughout, the insight you've given, there's a level beyond faking.

Imma go get some food, so be back momentarily.

[Nachomamma8]

Maybe mastin/nacho/fate? Aero could be in there somewhere (except not replacing mastin).

But then again, does Mastin/Nacho/Fate feel like a Cakez opening scumteam?
Probably not.

[Prism]

So you don't find any parts of the three-pronged push problematic?

It's not good reasoning, but I don't think it's particularly scummy.

In particular, this is a case that they thought was strong even if they were scum. You and I both don't think this is the case. Is this biased perception scummy? I don't think so.

Everything pre-500 though needs to go into a dumpster.

[Nachomamma8]

also pisskop's "i want to call this shot bad but i'm waiting for the flip to happen" was a pile of hot garbage; mastina was polarizing enough at that point and pisskop was pretending to trend far enough to the mastina side where taking the middle ground didn't make sense.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Maybe mastin/nacho/fate? Aero could be in there somewhere (except not replacing mastin).

But then again, does Mastin/Nacho/Fate feel like a Cakez opening scumteam?
Probably not.

Okay I don't know how Cakez plays but looking at this, I mean does it make sense for scum to say every single one of the 3 top notable players and attract their attention onto himself or a town perspective of being fearful of all 3 of you guys?

[drealmerz7]

prism is top-notch, you can't write them off as town because of that, mastina

[Nachomamma8]

this is a case that they thought was strong even if they were scum.

Okay, I can understand this perspective.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

i mean, as scum you don't want to attract attention and saying any 3 of those he listed is like hitting a fucking nuclear launch code and world war Z and holy shit God himself came down and teamed up with Thor, Zeus and rained hellfire lightning bolts and righteous fury on his slot.

Basically it's a suicide mission to attack all 3 of you guys

[Nachomamma8]

Okay I don't know how Cakez plays but looking at this, I mean does it make sense for scum to say every single one of the 3 top notable players and attract their attention onto himself or a town perspective of being fearful of all 3 of you guys?

I don't really know Cakez either (I used to be able to read him but then my ability went to shit), but I don't really think Cakez would push all of us out of the gate. I don't think most players (save Prism) would push us all out of the gate.

[drealmerz7]

sounds possible to me mastina is giving a TR to prism to pacify potential future goings-at-it

but it's all muddled now and we just need to lynch gin to sort

[Prism]

prism is top-notch, you can't write them off as town because of that, mastina

I'm curious as to how you would think this considering you've never seen me play scum before. The one game you saw I was incredibly lackluster town.

[Aristophanes]

I missed some punning!
I am le sad.

No time for that though.
Nacho, I'm all yours for now. What would you like me to read/do/comment on?
I just need a direction to look in.

[mastina]

Basically it's a suicide mission to attack all 3 of you guys

Devil's advocate: Pine would know this too and could have advised a scumbuddy on the subject.

However, I called that devil's advocate for good reason; I feel that to be an incredibly unlikely scenario.

[Nachomamma8]

Basically it's a suicide mission to attack all 3 of you guys

Devil's advocate: Pine would know this too and could have advised a scumbuddy on the subject.

However, I called that devil's advocate for good reason; I feel that to be an incredibly unlikely scenario.

I can't see him sending Cakez on a random suicide mission; he doesn't really have good return even if it succeeds but it has a high chance of going poorly.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, I'm all yours for now. What would you like me to read/do/comment on?I just need a direction to look in.

You've never needed direction before.
I'm here to make sure your voice is heard but I'm not going to walk you through posting.

[Prism]

Biggest issue I'm having right now in the townbloc is Nacho is being power town but has reacted

very

outside town expectations with regards to me (which is where my strongest reads come from)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I missed some punning!
I am le sad.

No time for that though.
Nacho, I'm all yours for now. What would you like me to read/do/comment on?
I just need a direction to look in.

No. You do you and give back what you think. I do not agree having Nacho guide you will give us an accurate read. Simply.

1. Nacho asks question
2. Scum chat makes response
3. Ari changes diction to fit his style
4. Ari posts it and gets town read.


I need 100% organic thought from you.

[SirCakez]

SirCakez just swallow your pride and admit you're townreading mastina.

NO

I don't want to admit I was tunneling town again q.q

Well first off, Pre-game knowledge is that SAJ is an apathetic as fuck townie. I believe he was an all town wagon in the Hunger games and was lolhammered on the 2nd day of D3 or D4.

The thing is, he still posted and gave concrete thought.

This is weak as fuck and what to me is I think fence sitting. It's short and brief but I gotta research the hunger games and ISO him

Yes SAJ is always apathetic.
But I think there's a pretty distinct difference between his playstyles as scum/town. Look at Hunger Games 2. He was awkward as hell there as town. And then look at Walking Dead S2E1. His posting was pretty strategic and deliberate. I think what posts he has made this game were more like the latter. And that's why I think his ISO is so bad. He looks like he's trying to post just enough content to fly under the radar, not just bumbling around like a lost townie.

Your town block is OK with me except Fate is scum and Vax I have as null (I'm going to roll with you being town for now)

Cakez, I love you but you have a tendency to tunnel.
Can we talk about your Fate read? Lay it out for me; I'd grab the reasoning myself but I'm currently in SAJ mode right now.

Everything he's doing this game is just following the flow. Like I mentioned earlier, he's joining wagons as soon as they pop up pretty consistently. This does not look to me like the wild town Fate I'm used to, it looks like a Fate who's trying to get in good with all the stronger players. And it seems to be working, judging from how the wagon on him is not going anywhere.
He has also has a variety of other just plain scummy posts that I've pointed out in my ISO.

No I mean it's just cute that you think I'm scum. When I tell you I got nommed for a scummy award, it's because you wouldn't even think it was possible that I was scum, if I was scum this game. Especially when I haven't played with you as town, when you can't tell the difference, you're pretty much fucked.


I think I deserve a flash wagon

while it's possible pine would guide cakez to buddy the shit out of you this post does look pretty solidly town

Okay, explain to me how the post is town because it's so hard for me to try and get an outside perspective on how that post reads town. I still can't get the reason as to what people are seeing.

Gin I spent pages arguing over this with mastina earlier and you commented on it, pls.

Lynching town Nacho is pretty good for scum.Or alternatively, bussing scum Nacho would reap a shitload of towncred.

I can see him pushing Mastina because he disagrees with her approach to Pine, but I think that his logic sort of falls flat right about here; I don't think that it's reasonable for Mastina to believe that she can get me lynched by saying "Pine will pick him" regardless of our respective alignments because it's just not a strong case on its own. Maybe as a supplement it can get a small extra boost, but alone? Fuck no. It seemed pretty clear to me that mastina's motive as scum there wouldn't be to get me lynched.

I totally disagree with this ftr
I definitely think mastina!scum would go for the jugular on you here. When she's active (as she is here) she has a huge presence in game and can easily command wagons. And especially early on when you weren't posting I don't think mastina!scum trying to get you lynched is unreasonable at all. My 2cents.

Also Monokuma's rage posting earlier (around page 65) looked extremely genuine. I would lock them as very solid town now.

[Nachomamma8]

Biggest issue I'm having right now in the townbloc is Nacho is being power town but has reacted

very

outside town expectations with regards to me (which is where my strongest reads come from)

Interesting.
I'd have thought you'd understand my approach better once I started posting.

[drealmerz7]

@prism - I wouldn't say you were lackluster at all, yes, you didn't give it your all, but even when you weren't giving it your all you were doing better than most players do on their best days out of a dozen games. It's not a matter of having seen your scum game, it's a matter of seeing your potential (or a glimpse of it.) Now, sometimes people's town games waayyyy exceed their scum game, they get into a scum role early in their career and it throws them, and only time will tell for you for certain, I don't know what you are here, but I do know that if I'm wrong on mastina, you're my next top suspect after fate because of what I've seen here and me positing that to the general public is crucial regardless of anything else. As it is, you're townlean because of the associative with mastina only, otherwise so far you'd be null.

[Aristophanes]

Fuuuuck.

Fine then, I'll see what I can do.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Basically it's a suicide mission to attack all 3 of you guys

Devil's advocate: Pine would know this too and could have advised a scumbuddy on the subject.

However, I called that devil's advocate for good reason; I feel that to be an incredibly unlikely scenario.

Pine isn't one to be like an orchestra conductor tho. He's more of the type that will tell what is a good or bad idea, otherwise he lets you act organically.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Fuuuuck.

Fine then, I'll see what I can do.

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