Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

He produced content on his own. I had no say in what he actually wrote, ergo town!Ari

[Prism]

I realize that requires more elaboration but I'm on my phone right now. I linked a post or two awhile back and quoted one today. The analysis he gave during the jam session was really lackluster overall, nice and agreeable. No more.

[Prism]

If production in itself is town, I guess mastina is town every game.

[Katsuki]

As amused as I am seeing Fate as mislynch bait, you guys should stop wasting your time there because he's not getting lynched ever this game.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

No no, this is Ari we are talking about. It's completely a different story and can't be used as a read on any player except Ari.

[Prism]

I mean you're doing more to sell me on it than he ever did, problem is you're on Cakez who is like, 6th-8th on the lynch preference list as opposed to Ari who is tied for #1

[Prism]

...And you coached production out of him by having everyone say "You lurk as scum, you need to join the jam session, come on in"

If you can point to what

in the content

is actually town then sure, but my interpretation of the posts you liked is a complete 180. I'm not townreading Ari jumping because the town told him to jump. That's not how that works.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You're not getting it. It doesn't matter if the town asked him to jump, it's the fact that he was able to actually jump. Scum!Ari LITERALLY won't jump even if it means being lynched.

[drealmerz7]

that's not necessarily true at all

eesh

this is why gin needs to go, he just decides how everything is and pushes it without being open

that's scumgendas

[Aristophanes]

Imma read up soon. But like, not "today" soon.

How has everyone been?

[Prism]

Like what reaction were you expecting out of scum Ari here?

"Oh man the town caught me, I only lurk as mafia. I have to keep lurking, it's the only thing I can do."

The town

told him the answer.

P-Edit: Okay basically you're saying that yes, Ari has the same level of adaptability as a pet rock. Sorry but I'm more skeptical.

[Prism]

It's like you handed Ari a test, told him "Hey the answer is C!" then somehow expect him not to circle C if he was mafia.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

For reference, what about these posts screamed to you scum? What part of these posts were unoriginal thoughts by Ari?

This is Ari talking about Vax and had no discussion about Vax talked about at all before hand.

The first post I did give him my thought process but then the next 3 posts, they were literally me asking him for his thoughts. HE PRODUCED every single word that he wrote none of my help.

Also the town never asked him to do it, I talked to him one on one. The dude is lynchbait when he talks about his self-meta and gets off track when people yell at him. I knew to tell people to back off and let him focus and he did and blossomed like a flower.

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Starting off with his first post, I picked out the parts that stood out to me. I have to agree with Vax here that in the beginning, I saw it as a distancing move with dreal and Pine, what are your thoughts on this quote?

BUT dreal is a good player as well, and this seems like distancing. I see dreal put alot of emotion when trying to convince people in his arguments.

Also moving onto the same quote but a little further. What do you think of the validity of Vax's statements?

More scum posting. Instead of saying why, you just say just say shes "scumming it up" also you trying VERY VERY hard to convince us pine did not pick you, a little to hard.

I don't know their history, but Dreal is a decent player generally. I do think he'd distance from Pine. I don't read it as such though. He is making it too obvious to be real distancing I think.

I di agree that Dreal way exaggerated Nacho's "scumming it up" as I don't believe he had even had 2 posts at this time. It's a good observation. Nacho would also be one that Pine would want discredited early, as he is a fantastic player. So I definitely could buy it here.

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Okay, so tell me your thoughts about this post here, I have my thoughts but I'm interested in your opinion.

Because taht is al he posted so far.

I'm new here, but I've heard the name nacho before, so its not like hes some newbie-scum that is afraid to post.

So what about that post do you think people were voting him for?

I'm conflicted on it. I like that he's pointing it out. It's likely he has heard nacho's name thrown around. I know I did well before I ever played with him. He is talked about. I also like him calling out the unfair push on Nacho. It is part of why I scumread Mastina at the beginning. Because I just didn't see where any of it was coming from and it looked like a really opportunistic push.

What I don't like about it is that it doesn't actually take a stance. It's merely a fact post. Like "you are wrong because..." not "your pushing this is scummy because..."
It's a small distinction, but it does make a big difference sometimes.

Like I say, it gives me pause, but I do like that he called it out.
If he's scum, it'd be ballsy (though one must be in a game with this caliber of player in it).

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Same concept Ari, I know this post is bigger than the others but can we go for a 3 piece?

On my first read through of the first few pages I missed. I was left of the opinion that mastina was game solving. But re-reading through I missed parts of thier posts taht I do not like.

First off post 22 is just bad

post 26 starts off great, but then falls into the same "Why didn't pine pick me?"

post 34 more crying about not being picked.

Then alot of posting I like. With the exceptions of posts

106
224

which I cant even follow.

@mastina give a tldr on some of these, good lord.

TLDR: Good townies have no reason to be posting shit like "why didnt you choose me" it jsut creates WIFOM for no reason. and further communication with pine (like dreal is doing) just muddy's those waters further! It's not helping town and he knows better than to play like that.

I know I said I was going to revisit my death tunnel on dreal, but I cant find anything that makes me want to move my vote.

Mastina looks better as the day goes on, but I still question those earlier comments, and I don't have the same super town feeling. more of a town-lite (and liek all lite beers, does not leave me satisfied)

On the posts he linked: The first one is bad, I totally agree. It was a bad idea to start a 1v1. Easy as that. Easy opinion.

The two where she was "crying about not being picked" were pretty standard "let me fill you in" posts, and the 2 "incomprehensible" ones were standard for Mastina. I know he probably has no experience on which to base this, but it's true, and I think it should have been deducible by that point.

I dislike the shit flinging and backing down at the end of the post. It all read a little weak and wishy washy, but to wnd it with "town-lite" seems like a cop out. Like an "I'm supposed to scumread you but I have to ease into it" kinda read.

Also, I hate that he called his Dreal "push" a death tunnel in multiple posts. It wasn't a death tunnel. It was barely a tunnel. It was a push and a read (barely). Overstating it was unneeded and reinforcing that overstatement just is weird. Too peculiar for my liking.

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Now Ari, the grand finally I need from you, thoughts here please <3

Does anyone actually believe that Fate is town? All he has been doing is spreading miss-information, providing horrible reasons for his voting 418 432 Hes not even reading the thread 350 604!

Asks questions, but refuses to answer small legitimate ones asked of him: 577 578 579 580. All this translates to scum, and hes having a blast doing it. I'm having fun with this game too, but I can guarantee the scum are having even more fun.

Wait is camn allowed to post freely too or is that just flavor <_<

Worried?

Pine's tellign the truth here


Whichis exactly what I said

Nacho first round scum pick

Fate second round town pick

???

profit

You modified this a bit, and your using fate to defend yourself?

Nacho was a first round pick, Fate. You were a second round pick.

Hate to burst your bubble.

I know I said this before but post 628 reeks of someone thinking of a great joke, but has to wait for the right moment, when the blurt it out all the sudden and it sounds super rehearsed, like they have been waiting to say it for soooo long. As soon as you rolled scum you thought of this right?


VOTE: Fate
I still want dreal dead, once fate flips maybe more people will believe my dreal case.

@Fate

Found this when reading your iso:

I also never called Gin* scum, Vaxkiller

Interesting how that came out of nowhere

You wouldn't answer my question so I assumed it.

Alright, here we go!

The first two linked posts are Meta reasons which, though weak, do have reasons to them. I like that he is scrutinizing strong players, but I wonder if he knows howstrong they are.
I don't like that he didn't link any "misinformation" and also that he accused Fate of not reading the thread at the same time. Like, the two kind of contradict each other, and there is no evidence provided for the former. He could have had a much more solid case had he put that effort in.

The links (4 succeeding posts) where Fate didn't answer him just sound butthurt on his part, but don't really strengthen a scumread.

His quote section is shit tbh. He is being nitpicky as fuck, and none of it is actually scummy. If you just assume Fate has an ego, all of this makes sense and is pretty much NAI.
The "super rehearsed joke" was NAI. The fighting for a position in the draft was NAI. Asking if Camn could sway the game was obviously not a real question, and thus NAI.
It looks like he's stringing together a weak ass case on a good player for the sake of it, and I don't really like it!

[drealmerz7]

can we PLEASE LYNCH GIN ALREADY?!?!?!?!

*CRIES*

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I forget, have you even said why I'm scum?

[Prism]

I'm not saying the posts aren't original.

I am saying that when the entire town screams "Ari scum lurks and doesn't produce content",

Ari scum is going to provide content

[Prism]

Nacho said it. Mastina said it. I'm pretty sure someone else said it. It was not unprompted entry.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm not saying the posts aren't original.

I am saying that when the entire town screams "Ari scum lurks and doesn't produce content",

Ari scum is going to provide content

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

No seriously, pretend like you know Ari and his scum meta.

[Prism]

Ah yes, very funny assumption I have here that someone wants to improve their play and make a conscious effort at it, when Ari specifically thanked everyone for giving him a chance at improving himself and his play and for the help.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Speak of the devil. Go talk to him Prism

Imma read up soon. But like, not "today" soon.

How has everyone been?

[Prism]

Well Ari, Gin is telling me that apparently you're so stupid you don't even know how to dress yourself. You've got the adaptability of a pet rock and a solid desire to be mediocre at everything forever, with no desire to improve at a game that you invest hours and hours on every week and have fun playing. It's a miracle you ever learned how to use a computer. What do you think? Should I believe him?

[Aristophanes]

I see I'm a contended read. Can't say I'm very surprised really.

Prism, If you look at almost any scumgame of mine you will see what Gin is talking about. I'm gonna try not to self meta, but it's hard sometimes. Lol

Ninja'd by Prism.

[Aristophanes]

Well Ari, Gin is telling me that apparently you're so stupid you don't even know how to dress yourself. You've got the adaptability of a pet rock and a solid desire to be mediocre at everything forever, with no desire to improve at a game that you invest hours and hours on every week and have fun playing. It's a miracle you ever learned how to use a computer. What do you think? Should I believe him?

Hahaha I think you are exaggerating his intentions and his points here.

I do have limited adaptability in my play. Or at least, so it seems to be from my experience as a player. I've been obv scum from my first games, and that has developed into a lurkerscum showing.

I have attempted to change this, but when I do I become obv scum again.

Gin isn't calling me a moron, he's saying I have a set way and get easily overwhelmed, especially as scum. He's not wrong.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm not saying the posts aren't original.

I am saying that when the entire town screams "Ari scum lurks and doesn't produce content",

Ari scum is going to provide content

"unquestionable content"