Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!

[mastina]

Does mastinas ability confirm you as town?

Yes, but it remains unproven as long as we're both alive.

An inventor involves three players: the inventor, their giftee, and their giftee's target.
My role involves only two.

Of course, there's no actual guarantee of what the scum's roles are. They might not actually HAVE a roleblocker. That was my assumption...but it was my assumption when I was assuming Pine only got to pick one scum role, which we later learned was not the case.

Off of the power of the town's roles, I'd even say we definitely don't.
BTD6 was one-shot.
TheRealGin-N-Tonic was one-shot.
I was one-shot.
Nacho was one-shot.
Monokuma gifts out one-shots.

All of these suggest scum don't actually have a roleblocker, because making every role one-shot when the scum have a roleblocker is not a fucking design decision any sane mod would willingly do.

[Aeronaut]

Eh, walk me through the scum motive behind Drealmerz, mastina. I don't really see that at all.

[Vaxkiller]

Eh, walk me through the scum motive behind Drealmerz, mastina. I don't really see that at all.

Probably because your acting like possible scum with him.


But who am I to say this? Im still confused too

[mastina]

It's a combination of POE feelings, plus drealmerz's absolute lack of revision.

The thing about hardcore tunnels is that they're ridiculously easy to fake as scum.
And the thing about hardcore tunnels is that they're not impossible to break as town.
drealmerz has been given strong evidence that we are town--and is ignoring it.
drealmerz has been given strong evidence that Katsuki is scum--and is ignoring it.

The read is past its expiration date. It's stale. It's beyond the point where even tunneling town should hold it.
And that's why he's under scrutiny from me. The tunnel reeks of an excuse to do nothing. It's easy. drealmerz, as long as he holds the tunnel, can be in denial. He can continue to press the useless lynch he knows won't go anywhere, and refuse to claim responsibility for mislynches. He can refuse to give actual content, because he can cling to the dead scumreads on us as "this is more than enough". When no it fucking isn't.

[Aeronaut]

Hmmm.

I do want to look back at at Ttyll because that's my one time playing with him as scum. IIRC though it was virtually the same as how he plays normally.

[Aeronaut]

Also, what's up with your prism read?

So like; I can't tell with prism right now. I

feel

like Prism is trying to solve things, but a lot of yesterday was a lot less of that, and a lot more of him being on none of the leading wagons at any point, and pushing people like you and Aristophanes who clearly weren't going to get traction at that point.

[mastina]

Unvote me Fate this makes for awkward sheeping I only replaced into this game on the condition that you were town thanks

Reading this makes me feel like Fate is town, here.

[Aeronaut]

And by yesterday I mean more towards the end of yesterday.

[Aeronaut]

Yeah fate is definitely town.

[Vaxkiller]

Does mastinas ability confirm you as town?

Yes, but it remains unproven as long as we're both alive.

An inventor involves three players: the inventor, their giftee, and their giftee's target.
My role involves only two.

Of course, there's no actual guarantee of what the scum's roles are. They might not actually HAVE a roleblocker. That was my assumption...but it was my assumption when I was assuming Pine only got to pick one scum role, which we later learned was not the case.

Off of the power of the town's roles, I'd even say we definitely don't.
BTD6 was one-shot.
TheRealGin-N-Tonic was one-shot.
I was one-shot.
Nacho was one-shot.
Monokuma gifts out one-shots.

All of these suggest scum don't actually have a roleblocker, because making every role one-shot when the scum have a roleblocker is not a fucking design decision any sane mod would willingly do.

But they could have let mono gift out a 1 shot and killed him tomorrow, you are a 1 shot BUT confirm the other person is town (according to you)

[mastina]

Also, what's up with your prism read?

Prism is majorly town to me.
There's the chance Prism is scum, and a scumteam with Prism shot at Nacho (not knowing Nacho was hiding behind scum and thus going to die anyway) for the reasons Nacho outlined yesterday. But he himself said that was weird, and not very likely. Aside from that, there are spots in Prism's iso which read as ridiculously genuine to me and I just really really really feel like Prism is town.

[Vaxkiller]

We confirmed but we have been the most productive townies regardless, we are going to die N2 and N3 regardless of being conf! or not.

Would you roleblock a person that you were going to kill anyways or would you roleblock someone who could give inventions to other players in which they can catch scum?

according to gin*

[Aeronaut]

Also, what's up with your prism read?

Prism is majorly town to me.
There's the chance Prism is scum, and a scumteam with Prism shot at Nacho (not knowing Nacho was hiding behind scum and thus going to die anyway) for the reasons Nacho outlined yesterday. But he himself said that was weird, and not very likely. Aside from that, there are spots in Prism's iso which read as ridiculously genuine to me and I just really really really feel like Prism is town.

:/

I guess I can take your word for it for now but I'm not feeling as good there as you are.

[mastina]

TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Aristophanes
SirCakez
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Prism
Fate
Monokuma
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Aeronaut
drealmerz
Vaxkiller
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Katsuki

[Vaxkiller]

Im here for another 10-15 min, but i have to pass out soon. Im trying to think thorugh all this.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

*hands out campaign stickers, buttons, flyers, yawn-signs"

grab them as you like!!! take and use them all!

VOTE: TheRealGin-N-TonicVOTE: TheRealGin-N-TonicVOTE: TheRealGin-N-TonicVOTE: TheRealGin-N-TonicVOTE: TheRealGin-N-TonicVOTE: TheRealGin-N-TonicVOTE: TheRealGin-N-TonicVOTE: TheRealGin-N-TonicVOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

GTFO

I'm seriously starting to think Dreal is fake tunneling to get a free pass.

Yeah that's what I'm getting too
And now Gin is conftown and dreal basically didn't even react. Which is terrible considering Gin was his top scumread.

Fate/katsuki/dreal

[mastina]

Katsuki ------------ [/b] 5 ( TheRealGin-N-Tonic, mastina, SirCakez, Nachomamma8, Aristophanes, )

L- 2

TheRealGin-N-Tonic -

2 ( BTD6_MAKER, drealmerz7, )

L- 5

Fate ---------------

1 ( Vaxkiller, )

L- 6

Monokuma -----------

2 ( Fate, Katsuki, )

L- 5

Aristophanes -------

1 ( Prism, )

L- 6

Not Voting -

2 ( Monokuma, Aeronaut, )

Btw, this was a slight resurgence in the wagon: Fate left, but SirCakez joined.
I maintain the Katsuki wagon at this point was all town.
I also maintain that Fate was probably town when he was on it, too.
And once more, that brings you to those who refused to vote:
drealmerz, Vaxkiller, Prism, Monokuma, and Aeronaut.
Those five have the remaining two scum.
I REALLY don't think it's Prism.
I kind-of don't think it's Monokuma, and sort-of don't think it's Aeronaut.

[mastina]

just a useless lurker because D1 has gone on too fucking long and I need a flip and a Day to get some bearings

Hey, dreal.

You got a flip.
Nacho died--not only was he someone you weren't townreading, but also, he was someone who was HARD townreading both me and Gin. HARD. Townreading us above all others.

Nacho has the play history to read me well.
And was reading both of us as his strongest townreads.
If Nacho was the scum's nightkill, then we threw that all away.

If Nacho wasn't the scum's nightkill, then he hid behind scum. And he, clearly, unambiguously, 100% flat-out laid out that he was hiding behind Katsuki last night.

So you have your fucking flip.

Why the fuck are you playing as if nothing changed overnight?

[mastina]

The fact that you won't vote Katsuki to end the day but want the day to end is fucking bullshit.

This is also relevant.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hey Mastina, so I'm getting close to being able to remember what you said on each of your articles.

Think you can remember what one of your Insane Tells I'm thinking of right now?

[mastina]

you've got 4 others to talk into it besides me
they can't all be scum

This runs both ways, dreal.

There were six players who voted SAJ/Katsuki:
Myself, Gin, Nacho, Aristophanes, Fate, and SirCakez.

They can't all be scum. In fact three MUST be town. And Nacho has already flipped town.

So then! Again. Why the fuck don't you want to lynch Katsuki?

[mastina]

Probably, Gin, but not really worth talking about--more...just, I'm proving a point, you're proving a point, but we're mostly saying the same thing and agreeing overall.

[Prism]

I've been busy for several days now and will be until Saturday but I concur that Katsuki is almost certainly scum and if they're not I'm blaming Nacho.

Someone mentioned not ending the day yet so I won't vote yet.

[mastina]

only a flip or sane cop proves anything in mafia, scum

And guess what: we have something which was both!
Nacho flipped hider.
He breadcrumbed his hider target: Katsuki.
So now we have effectively a sane cop guilty. On Katsuki.

So again. Why the fuck aren't you voting Katsuki?

[Prism]

@Aeronaut:

Nacho kill over Mastina was stupid if scum weren't planning RBing her. Nacho was always town, not RBing Mastina is two town waiting to happen. 0 chance I make that.