Mini #534 - Vegetable Mafia (Game Over!)

[Crub]

hey everyone sorry im here. Ive come down with a nasty case of strep.... ill reread and post my thoughts tomorrow morning

Now that phate has owned up to being a self-ish scum helper, can you please elaborate on why you claimed when you did.

[thedragonsprincess]

I claimed because I felt it was the best way to show that phate was 'misinformed' about all vanilla townies being lettuce, although I still believe it was a scum slip up and hes trying to dig himself out of a hole.

[destructor]

Crub, I think TDS' claim made sense. What was your issue with it?

[Oman]

Eh, I'm damn suspicious of phate at this point.

Vote Phate

[Crub]

Crub, I think TDS' claim made sense. What was your issue with it?

It gave information to the scum, and not really much information to the town.

1. Assuming both are telling the truth and are vanilla town, it reduces the amount of targets there are for the scum to choose from to hit a power role.

2. Assuming Phate is town. Wouldn't it actually have benefited us to let the scum think that all vanilla's were lettuce?

3. Even if TDS thinks Phate is scum for the 'slip' there is no need to claim there because a majority of people already know that Phate was mis-informed.

[Oman]

Crub is right there, but I don't think TDS is scum for it, just wrong.

[gorckat]

Eh, I'm damn suspicious of phate at this point.

Vote Phate

Can you elaborate? At this point, I see what he did as a genuine mistake.

[Patrick]

Votecount

ryan (1) -- Phate
Phate (4) -- thedragonsprincess, WhoMe?, ryan, Oman
Oman (1) -- destructor

Not Voting: thinktank, soupfly, Y, kravhen, Crub, gorckat
12 alive, 7 to lynch.

[Oman]

Firstly,the claim stinks of fakeclaiming scum dying to confirm himself.

Secondly, the next two pages are him digging out of the hole he makes with the claim.

[soupfly]

i'm almost sorry that i brought up the veggie claim thingy, but i didn't think people would start claiming before we discussed it.

i can understand people getting on phate for the vanilla lettuce claim. his reasoning was faulty but it don't necessarily make him scum. also, i believe dragonprincess on her claim of cucumber. it would be too risky for her to claim cucumber without being sure that all vanillas were not lettuce as was a possibility. hence i believe her claim to be truthful. unless there's another lettuce or cucumber out there then i think we can assume that phate and dragonprincess are not scum. i don't mind if we confirm vanilla because while it may make outing our powerroles easier, it also makes lynching easier for us.

in any case we'll understand this better as people's veggie status is revealed on D2. we already got info on phate so there's no point in lynching him based on his claim at this point. besides, think about it...how often do you see scum trying a fake claim when they're not under any pressure on day 1. probability is against it.

i think we need to look in other areas starting with:

vote: WhoMe?

[thedragonsprincess]

Ican understand where you're coming from.... now thinking back I highly doubt he's scum that just randomly chose a green vegetable and claims he thought all towns were lettuce.

unvote

for now..... what made u chose who me as the next target?

[Y]

Why WhoMe?

Ryan failed to answer my questions.

[ryan]

Why WhoMe?

Ryan failed to answer my questions.

What part of me answering your questions are you missing?

[Y]

The part in which you provide an answer.

"You're wrong so I won't answer" isn't an answer, but dodging the question.

[ryan]

The part in which you provide an answer.

"You're wrong so I won't answer" isn't an answer, but dodging the question.

We had a two page debate back and forth and because you don't like what I had to say doesn't mean I'm not answering a question.

[ryan]

And for somebody who said he made a slip you're hammering pretty hard on something I already agreed with. Why is that Y?

[ryan]

EDIT: He=Phate

[Y]

I want to know why you're using bad excuses (Agreeing with something you don't even understand, for example) to vote people, and then avoid answering when asked about it.

[ryan]

How do you know what I understand and what I don't understand? I already said that I believed Phate slipped twice and why I believed that. You got pissy and said that I couldn't agree with other people's thoughts (which is crap) and now you're saying I don't understand what I disagreed with? What kind of game are you playing?

[thinktank]

soupfly: you didn't give any substantiation for voting WhoMe. Are you just trying to apply pressure through randoms or do you have a case worth hearing against him.

Just a note: these back and forth conversations for the last 2 or 3 pages are really getting tiring to read not to mention boring because its the same thig over and over again. Aka, the Phate claim thing and this semi war between ryan and Y. ryan , Y, what are you guys arguing about, I've lost track. Apparently ryan said he agrees with you which begs the questions whats this about?

[ryan]

thinktank: The strangest part is watching one poster defend another this early in the game. I'd like to move on to actual questioning of our lurkers but Y apparently won't stop.

[Phate]

Secondly, the next two pages are him digging out of the hole he makes with the claim.

Explain to me what's wrong with this.

[Oman]

Well, a pro-town claim shouldn't put you in a hole, because its...you know...pro-town.

[Phate]

My claim was not pro-town. It was also not anti-town, as far as I can tell. It WAS selfish. None of this = scum.

[ryan]

Not being pro town IS anti town Phate no matter how you spin it.