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ThinkBig Jack of All Trades
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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And what if I flip town?In post 925, ThinkBig wrote:All what I said is that if you flip scum, I want to look at him. Never said he was definitely scum.| here.GTKAS-
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In post 920, ThinkBig wrote:Reason?
Karnos seems to be amateur at being scum. Here you can see him trying link LQ to me. Then latter on he drops the lq read and focus me and jordan both town and made some bullshit excuse to jump off the wagon.In post 104, karnos wrote:In post 102, Garmr wrote:That being said
This vote feel opportunistic to me. It' hasn't got real reasoning and I feel like it's on someone he thinks will end up being a wagon.
VOTE: karnos
Seems like you tried to guess the reasoning, and then assumed I had none afterward. Weird.In post 101, Garmr wrote:I don't think It's scummy to have flawed reasoning like Lickety had. Town can be Flawed as well.
If LQ is scum, you are the partner jumping to derail the lynch.
I wasn't scum reading him based on his logic, it was his defensiveness and over-explaining himself that pinged me.
Also, isn't an opportunistic vote usually characterized as jumping on a growing wagon?
Watch lq attack jordan for voting karnos despite never actually town reading karnos.In post 178, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Blah, blah, I'm a horrible player who plays bad.In post 172, XnadrojX wrote:Spoiler: everything I mentioned LQ in
As you can see, my posts mostly indicated how he played badly, over he played scummily.
Karnos in the other hand, I expressed a clear scumread on him, "Most Bullshit defence", "warrants a lynch", "rather push a karnos wagon" was what I said. Here, his play looked opportunistic, hence scummy, while LQ play is simply bad.
At the current moment, karnos not possibly being scumpartners with LQ leads to more reason not to scumread him, as I scumread karnos at the current moment. I'm remaining null instead of a townread, as this still has the small chance of being staged, e.g. LQ puts out the BS case for Karnos to vote and try to start a wagon for town red(I've seen it happen).
I would advise lynching karnos over LQ for above reasons.
Now with all the possible questions I can think of fended off, I am going to move on to other topics.
I TR Alisae for similar reasons to why he is universally TRed, however i would however prefer his vote to be in karnos.
Garmr and Shannon are Town for now, creating active discussion. If Shannon or Garmr was scum, I don't think scum wants to put in the extra effort of creating discussion points and noticing things that probably won't get lynched. However, this is one of the less solid tells, hence the For Now.
Again, everyone voting LQ I suggest swapping to karnos, thanks.
Bro, why don't you check out my wiki. I prolly have more wins than you have games played.In post 88, LicketyQuickety wrote:5) I could be. Its not a solid read at all. It is, however, an actual starting point out of RVS.
Shit reasoning for defending karnos here plus he called jordan shit for scum reading karnos earlier despite lq only having a so called null read on karnos.In post 183, LicketyQuickety wrote:
@Mod, LOL I was just about to say that Karnos is a null read because the game I played with them in I Scum read them hard core and they were Town and I was too.In post 23, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I remember you, do you remember me?In post 22, karnos wrote:VOTE: shannon
This vote doesn't count yet, consider this a note to self on who is obviously scum.
<<< I remember you,
You remember me,
We're one big fucked up family~ >>>
The post wasn't solid at all I think he was just trying to make his team mate look better and possibly avoid the lynch.In post 692, LicketyQuickety wrote:
This is actually a pretty solid post.In post 651, karnos wrote:Also, for anyone who still thinks this asshole is town, just look at how he is willing to throw his logic in the toilet as soon as he is caught in a contradiction.
In post 177, XnadrojX wrote: He isn't "just" being g aggresive. He's picking up on and pushing things that scum normally dont bother with.In post 221, XnadrojX wrote:
I don't like cases of "scum would/wouldn't do this"
Anything can be shaken off like that.This is not town thinking.
In 177 XnadrojX is perfectly happy to give Alisae a towny pass for doing stuffscum wouldn't do.
In 221 he suddenly took a 180, and is saying he doesn't like cases like "scum wouldn't do" something.
I'm still thinking we are smart enough to turn this around and wagon some scum, but if it comes down to a karnos lynch you must promise me you will lynch this asshole as soon as my alignment flips.
<<< Deleted the double-post. >>>
Also lets not forget how he tries to stop alisae from town reading me someone who's apparently null. There is no town motive for what he did before. There is plenty of scum motive through.
His vote on AA was pretty shit. He pretty much described why AA would be null (personal play style)
If you look carefully he didn't display one reason why AA is scum just that he could get away with it as scum. Not why it made him scum.In post 635, LicketyQuickety wrote:
AA can get away with that shit as Scum for a few reasons:In post 627, Garmr wrote:
Like the bolded here. Seriously what scum player would say this. It's like asking people to look at them.In post 285, All Alone wrote:
Why do you say you took nadroj's words seriously here? You said you voted LQ for defensiveness and over-explaining rather than his logic, but as far as I can tell nadroj's "shade throwing" was only based on LQ's logic.In post 273, karnos wrote:
It's worse. He is throwing shade on LQ, and then when someone (me) took his words seriously he turned around and accused me of being scum jumping on an opportunistic wagon (of course, it was a wagon of 0 at the time I voted).In post 263, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Shannon, you're saying that, from your point of view, Jordan's play was like throwing a punch at LQ but holding back so he doesn't get the blame for it?
UNVOTE:
don't really want my vote anywhere right now tbh
Why would any scum even say that. Honestly if All alone was scum it would be easier just to place a vote earlier make some bullshit reason and lurk in the back ground and hope the active town will fight among themselves.In post 399, All Alone wrote:My scumhunting tactics are really more reactive than proactive, to be honest.
And also, Idoexpect to be held accountable for my opinions, even when my opinion is that I have no scumreads. That's why I came in here and admitted as much.
1) they don't post frequently
2) the condition of the games state currently
3) personal playstyle
So while your arguments do kinda give me pause, you are still basically just giving a generic argument for why you Town read them which can basically be boiled down to "I don't think they would do that as Scum" which is pretty weak considering all that hinges on the wagon stuff you were talking about.
As an aside, I do kida have that same sorta intuitive kind of playstyle that you are using, but I realize its not "gut" that convinces people that you are right.
Conclusion: be more specific about why you don't think AA would do that as Scum.
Finally anyone who is competent enough at this game can connect the dots between him and karnos.-
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Alisae lolbalance
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What makes you think town want to lynch me cuz I really do thing scum is voting me right now.In post 929, Garmr wrote:Man it looks like I have to steer the town to voting obvious scum again today. I feel like town would lose with out me.| here.GTKAS-
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Everyone seems to be town reading LQ because they are gullible. From what I gather they think his articulate language and indepth sentences = town what you should be looking out for is motives and interactions and reasoning. A lot of what he says is hollow when it comes to gaining anything as town but it seems well explained enough that people will overlook it with out actually noticing the hollow nature of it.In post 931, Alisae wrote:
What makes you think town want to lynch me cuz I really do thing scum is voting me right now.In post 929, Garmr wrote:Man it looks like I have to steer the town to voting obvious scum again today. I feel like town would lose with out me.
That's what I mean by Leading town.
But if you want to know why people think your scummy it's because you appear inherently scummy no matter your alignment. People attribute your Quirkiness to scum behavior. So I can understand why some people may see you as scum. That being said there is a chance that one scum that has voted you and since I believe lq is the other scum that makes the majority of your wagon town (3 out 4 at the least)-
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Lexa Goon
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As promised, game review pre-jordan flip
Posts that I don't reference I either think are irrelevant to the game or full NAI, or I missed it
Spoiler: Game flow comments
Spoiler: ISO comments
Summary:
So-towny-it-hurts: {shannon, PranaDevil}
Moderate-town-lean: {LQ, jordan}
Null-town: {Garmr, ThinkBig}
Null-scum: {Alisae, Gin, BBT}
Moderate-scum-lead: {All Alone}
Lynch-them-already: {pepchoninga}
Alisae+AA possible scum team-
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Alisae lolbalance
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This isn't in line with your "I want to lynch Pep today"In post 933, Lexa wrote:Alisae+AA possible scum team| here.GTKAS-
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VOTE: LQdear princess celestia, sometimes it can be hard for a shy pony like me to stand up for myself, and when i first tried it, i didn't like the pony i became. but i've learned that standing up for yourself isn't the same as changing who you are. now i know how to put my hoof down without being unpleasant or mean-
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mastina She/HerFalse ProphetShe/Her
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TheRealGin-N-Tonic Jack of All Trades
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I now find that there is a large contradiction in LQ's play. (Thanks Gramr, I think I was buddied because I love theory talk )
Well in the theory talk that LQ was explaining to me, he found it very AI the way people posted and that's how he got a read on him. This game he linked was a town game of Karnos. If what LQ says is what he believes, that means he would think Karnos is in fact town but he sat at null. I don't think it was really that hard to understand you either voted for Karnos cuz he was scummy to you or he was town. I find it odd that he remained null for the longest of times...
Oh, and trying to derail a wagon on a person he didn't think was town :p I'll derail any town wagon I see, even at one vote (as I did with ThinkBig), but I actually sometimes vote my null reads (ask Alisae lmfao) because it helps me discover more about their alignment and how they handle the wagon.
P-Edit: Mastina notice meIn post 357, LicketyQuickety wrote:Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922
<<< You're my favorite student.
...no, it doesn't matter that you're my ONLY student, my statement still stands as accurate anyway! >>>Last edited by mastina on Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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shannon Mafia Scum
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@Lexa why are you giving Jordan a moderate town read; he flipped town overnight..
(Secretly I am glad that I am not the one with the reading fail this time)
Either Alisae or TB is my pick for today, so far. Their back-and-forth looks to me like scum distancing instead of TvT, especially considering my read on Alisae. Jordan had both of them pegged for scummy behaviour, so a bit of mutual bussing is a good way to overcome that.In post 885, Alisae wrote:
I don't see why a townie would bring this shit up anyways.In post 872, ThinkBig wrote:
Interesting.In post 766, XnadrojX wrote: Prana and Shannon seems to be the most agreed on townread based on what is going on.
ThinkBig is a strange mix of scummy posts and townie posts. Don't really know how to read that slot.
Alisae just announced he's scum, and likely with karnos. Bringing off a lot of the votes off karnos was Alisae.I dunno about AA, he hasn't made enough posts for me to properly get a read on him, leaning scum for now I think.
The fact that the wagon just dissipated like that indicates scum, probably a scumbuddy tried to derail.
That thing from Lexa is NAI, can't blame inconvenient timing looking opportune imo. (Unless I'm too trusting of people which I doubt)
There still was no reason to vote BBT over karnos, karnos still stood as the scummier person.
Speaking of karnos, the claim was shit. I doubt he actually a Vengeful townie (unless Vengeful Mafia but I've never heard of it) it looked a lot like a self defence move to me.
This is the best you're gonna get out of me for the weekend.
How does this not look like scum preparing to get a lynch off me?
Following the leader, wherever he may go!In post 932, Garmr wrote:
Everyone seems to be town reading LQ because they are gullible. From what I gather they think his articulate language and indepth sentences = town what you should be looking out for is motives and interactions and reasoning. A lot of what he says is hollow when it comes to gaining anything as town but it seems well explained enough that people will overlook it with out actually noticing the hollow nature of it.In post 931, Alisae wrote:
What makes you think town want to lynch me cuz I really do thing scum is voting me right now.In post 929, Garmr wrote:Man it looks like I have to steer the town to voting obvious scum again today. I feel like town would lose with out me.
That's what I mean by Leading town.
But if you want to know why people think your scummy it's because you appear inherently scummy no matter your alignment. People attribute your Quirkiness to scum behavior. So I can understand why some people may see you as scum. That being said there is a chance that one scum that has voted you and since I believe lq is the other scum that makes the majority of your wagon town (3 out 4 at the least)
PS Lexa - Jordan flipped town, he needs to be a strong town read and not a moderate town read-
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shannon Mafia Scum
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I posted my post as it was before his flip, when it was almost ready when the day ended. Figured it was more helpful to leave the thought process behind my reads on him than go back and remove themIn post 941, shannon wrote:@Lexa why are you giving Jordan a moderate town read; he flipped town overnight..-
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TheRealGin-N-Tonic Jack of All Trades
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So Lexa, don't like walls, they're catch up posts and you just report what happened. What are you pushing for right now?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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You got described one of the reasoning I was getting at but explained it better than I did and fleshed it out a little more thank you.In post 940, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I now find that there is a large contradiction in LQ's play. (Thanks Gramr, I think I was buddied because I love theory talk )
Well in the theory talk that LQ was explaining to me, he found it very AI the way people posted and that's how he got a read on him. This game he linked was a town game of Karnos. If what LQ says is what he believes, that means he would think Karnos is in fact town but he sat at null. I don't think it was really that hard to understand you either voted for Karnos cuz he was scummy to you or he was town. I find it odd that he remained null for the longest of times...
Oh, and trying to derail a wagon on a person he didn't think was town :p I'll derail any town wagon I see, even at one vote (as I did with ThinkBig), but I actually sometimes vote my null reads (ask Alisae lmfao) because it helps me discover more about their alignment and how they handle the wagon.
P-Edit: Mastina notice meIn post 357, LicketyQuickety wrote:Those voting Karnos, I want you to look at this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66922-
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TheRealGin-N-Tonic Jack of All Trades
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Yeah but you were the one that slapped me out of a daze lol
This is L-1 bee tea dubbs
VOTE: LQ“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Lexa Goon
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VOTE: PepchoningaIn post 945, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Lexa, don't like walls, they're catch up posts and you just report what happened. What are you pushing for right now?
From my analysis they've been by far the scummiest player and I don't agree with the scum!LQ theories-
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Also I don't care if you don't like walls, it's concisely written so go read it. Especially read the analysis but I guess that's just "reporting what happened" right?In post 945, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:So Lexa, don't like walls, they're catch up posts and you just report what happened. What are you pushing for right now?
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