Mafia 74: Minimally Flavoured - Game over!

[Bookitty]

Okay, not a joke vote.

unvote; vote egruntz

You may not agree with the random vote phase, but I really dislike your suggestion of a "no-lynch". Right now I can tell you at least one relevant fact I have derived from our page one discussion: Dark Ermac isn't paying close attention. Why? Because he voted for me "for voting for a pirate." I did not at any point vote for Snaps.

Just because you don't derive anything useful doesn't mean others don't or can't, and pushing for a no-lynch on day one (and your stated assumption is that there automatically WILL be one, which also tells me you haven't read many games here, if any) is in my view counterproductive and rather scummy. You're making a lot of assumptions about what will occur, and jumping to a conclusion without enough evidence.

Additionally, you're a killjoy.

[Mills]

Egruntz, where are you from?

[Elias_the_thief]

The Second Official Flavorless Votecount:

Snaps the pirate - 4

(Thedragonsprincess, the fonz, panzerjager, liamcool)

OhGodMyLife - 3

(Xylthixlm, Dark Ermac, Disciple Slayer)

egruntz - 1

(Bookitty)

The Fonz - 1

(Sangy)

Xylthixlm - 1

(OhGodMyLife)

MariucciFamily - 1

(Mills)

With 18 alive, it will take 10 to lynch.

As a sidenote, I just started without Mariucci, so he has never confirmed. Given that it's the holidays and he be out of town, I'll probably give him until after New Year's to show up.

[Snaps_the_Pirate]

Pirates do not say Lassie

Ifing he be a Scottish pirate, he might.

Ok, on a serious note:

What the hell is going on? Wonderful way to start off the game, guys!

I, personally, find the first day to be completely useless. It's happened many times: tons of discussion, just to get back where we started, and in the end we all just vote for no lynching.

On the first day, I think it'd be best to not lynch at all. If we just take out a random guess, we could end up hurting ourselves in the process.

I'm not voting for it just yet, to see if any discussion can be born from this; but seriously, stop voting randomly for idiotic reasons.

Idiotic voting has its place. Overreacting to an early "idiotic" vote can be a newbie mafia tell. Also as most, if not all, of us don't know each other, seeing each others reactions early in the game help us to get a feel for each other. For example, I personally find it of interest that Mills cast his vote in a very safe place. By his own admission, on someone who won't be able to fight back. Is this a mafia tell? Or does he just wish to avoid confrontation? I don't know, but as you can see there is potential to learn something from random votes. Egruntz's post also tells us about him. He seems to be taking this game a bit more seriously than others. Nothing wrong with that. That proves nothing one way or the other about his status, but we do learn something about the person on the other side of the screen. As long as we continue to post, we build on the knowledge we gain from each other. The real harm to the game is not first day "idiot" votes, but lurkers.
Now back to the fun.

Vote: SnapsThePirate because his posts make me laugh really hard.

Thank ye for th' complimant mate!

[egruntz]

Egruntz, where are you from?

Eh? Don't really know how to answer that question. If you're looking for my location, well just forget that. If you're wondering if I've been on other sites, you probably know me from SWF or MKO.

I've always found it better to have no lynching occur on the first day. As I've said, it there's been plenty occasions where the first day would occur for weeks, and nothing gets accomplished. You really don't get much information about each other from the start as it is, and that's what makes the beginning of this game slow and rather dull.

@Bookitty
You're the one rushing to conclusions. I've said one thing so far, a common one at that, and you've already gone and voted for me. There's nothing scummy about my post, heck I didn't even except anyone to lay a FOS on me because of it.

However, I'm still all for no lynching.

[Mills]

@ egruntz: I was just asking to work out what mafia site recommends no lynching on Day One because I've never seen one.

@ Snaps: I was wondering how long it would be until someone brought up where I placed my vote. I guess food for thought: It's probably more dangerous than safe since someone was bound to ask why I voted for the inactive player. Although that dissolves into a WIFOM argument.

[egruntz]

Ah. I've played on sites such as smashboards.com, various other websites, and often in real life with a bunch of buddies.

[Xylthixlm]

What the hell is going on? Wonderful way to start off the game, guys!

I, personally, find the first day to be completely useless. It's happened many times: tons of discussion, just to get back where we started, and in the end we all just vote for no lynching.

On the first day, I think it'd be best to not lynch at all. If we just take out a random guess, we could end up hurting ourselves in the process.

I'm not voting for it just yet, to see if any discussion can be born from this; but seriously, stop voting randomly for idiotic reasons.

Ah, but no lynching doesn't tell us anything interesting when we analyze the votes on day 3,159. No lynch doesn't come up scum or town. No lynch doesn't react to the pressure.

I agree in general that lynching today is more likely to hit town than it is to hit scum; but the threat of lynching gives us so much information that we can't afford to throw it away.

At least, that's the theory as far as I can tell. I'm more used to night start games...

[liamcool]

Egruntz, where are you from?

Eh? Don't really know how to answer that question. If you're looking for my location, well just forget that. If you're wondering if I've been on other sites, you probably know me from SWF or MKO.

I've always found it better to have no lynching occur on the first day. As I've said, it there's been plenty occasions where the first day would occur for weeks, and nothing gets accomplished. You really don't get much information about each other from the start as it is, and that's what makes the beginning of this game slow and rather dull.

@Bookitty
You're the one rushing to conclusions. I've said one thing so far, a common one at that, and you've already gone and voted for me. There's nothing scummy about my post, heck I didn't even except anyone to lay a FOS on me because of it.

However, I'm still all for no lynching.

If we just randomly lynch on the first day, we at least have a chance of hitting scum. (assuming there's 4 mafia, obviously that's a 4/18 chance). If we don't lynch at all, we obviously have no chance of getting scum, which is BAD BAD BAD.

I don't like your defensiveness either, having one vote in such a large game is no deal at all.

[Bookitty]

You really don't get much information about each other from the start as it is, and that's what makes the beginning of this game slow and rather dull.

I was finding it rather fast-paced and amusing, personally.

Do you think you can get more information from a dead body than from a live one?

@Bookitty
You're the one rushing to conclusions.

What conclusion do you feel I've rushed to?

[Disciple Slayer]

UNVOTE

VOTE: SNAPS THE PIRATE

Bandwagon to victory.

[Sangy]

Just letting everyone know that you probably won't hear much from me for the next two or three days. I'll probably be on, but it's better to be safe.

[Xylthixlm]

If we just randomly lynch on the first day, we at least have a chance of hitting scum. (assuming there's 4 mafia, obviously that's a 4/18 chance).

I would assume 4 mafia + a serial killer, myself.

[Dark Ermac]

unvote

I'm done with joke voting.

[thedragonsprincess]

I agree but disagree with what people have been saying. I agree that the random voting stage of the game is ok, but I don't like the idea of a random lynch. By random voting it gets discussion going which helps us dig out people who give scummish vibes by what they've said. is that lynch always scum? no. but at least it isnt a bandwagon lynch based on no information whatsoever.

[The Fonz]

Okay, not a joke vote.

unvote; vote egruntz

You may not agree with the random vote phase, but I really dislike your suggestion of a "no-lynch".

Just because you don't derive anything useful doesn't mean others don't or can't, and pushing for a no-lynch on day one (and your stated assumption is that there automatically WILL be one, which also tells me you haven't read many games here, if any) is in my view counterproductive and rather scummy. You're making a lot of assumptions about what will occur, and jumping to a conclusion without enough evidence.

Additionally, you're a killjoy.

Unvote, vote: BooKitty

Kitty, you're an experienced enough player. You must have noticed the 'townsperson' underneath his name, right?

[Bookitty]

Kitty, you're an experienced enough player. You must have noticed the 'townsperson' underneath his name, right?

Surely. Do you think that the only use of a vote is to cause someone to be lynched?

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: The Fonz

Fonz, surely you noticed that though it says townsperson under his name, he's talking like, and now told us, that he's played a lot on other sites. That was a pretty shaky reason to go after Bookitty.

[egruntz]

Do you think you can get more information from a dead body than from a live one?

Erhm, exactly my point. If we choose to lynch someone randomly, with the odds of 3-4/18 being mafia, there's a pretty good chance that we'll lynch one of our own people. If we skip the first round and only lose one of the town instead of two, then we can keep the town living longer.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't vote or lynch randomly. It'll most likely effect the town.

What conclusion do you feel I've rushed to?

Well, obviously you think I'm scum, since you voted for me. If not, then what a poor reason to vote for someone. All that I've said is that it'd be best to skip the lynch for the first day. Surely you shouldn't vote for me, just for stating my opinions?

That right there shows horrible quality in a mafia player.

[Xylthixlm]

All this productive discussion is good, but we need more votes on OGML to go with it.

[OhGodMyLife]

All this productive discussion is good, but we need more votes on OGML to go with it.

I love you too

[liamcool]

UNVOTE

VOTE: SNAPS THE PIRATE

Bandwagon to victory.

Is that sarcasm? If not, this smells of scum.

All this productive discussion is good, but we need more votes on OGML to go with it.

As above.

Do you think you can get more information from a dead body than from a live one?

Erhm, exactly my point. If we choose to lynch someone randomly, with the odds of 3-4/18 being mafia, there's a pretty good chance that we'll lynch one of our own people. If we skip the first round and only lose one of the town instead of two, then we can keep the town living longer.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't vote or lynch randomly. It'll most likely effect the town.

What conclusion do you feel I've rushed to?

Well, obviously you think I'm scum, since you voted for me. If not, then what a poor reason to vote for someone. All that I've said is that it'd be best to skip the lynch for the first day. Surely you shouldn't vote for me, just for stating my opinions?

That right there shows horrible quality in a mafia player.

If we lynch two people, though, we can probably get a couple of hints from who they're threatening, et cetera, et cetera.

We weren't planning to lynch randomly, anyway: it's just a pisstake to have a little fun at the beginning of the game.

But then again, I'm going to let you state your opinions.

[Dark Ermac]

Consider it this way.In any mafia game where the mafia aren't retarded, there's going to be a townie lynched on the first day. We might as well random vote rather than not vote at all.

[PJ.]

Look, random voting is an essential part of the game and I'm going to doubt anyone's mafia playing ability who doesn't realize it. It gets discussion going and then someone says something and it gets analyzed and then someone says something else and it get's analyzed. Like now, egruntz said "hey, guys we should no lynch" everyone reacted and now The Fonz said "he is a newbie so don't pay attention" These are two of the more important pieces of evidence right now(in my opinion) and both have happened due to the random voting phase, so quit your bitching, kthnx.

Second, I hate all this random lynch talk. We are not randomly lynching anyone. We are gonna decide via deliberation and democracy, thusly forcing people to make a decision. Discussion is good. Interaction between players mean things; Making it ignorant and irresponible to end day immediately with a random or No lynch. And if it was random, I'd much rather roll an 18 sided dice and lynch the player that's number comes up. That has much more of a chance a causing interaction between players then just saying okay guys, vote no lynch. Besides no lynch can't even defend himself.

Anyway, back to important things,

Vote: The fonz

You wrote off a newbie that obviously wasn't even a newbie and then you voted someone for attacking the guy's idea, which was obviously terrible.

P.S Thinking someone is scum is not the only reason to vote for someone, don't be so naive

P.S.S I think Fonz is scum

[PJ.]

Consider it this way.In any mafia game where the mafia aren't retarded, there's going to be a townie lynched on the first day. We might as well random vote rather than not vote at all.

Hopefully that doesn't mean random lynch.