Micro 677: Double Day Unlimited in Wifom City - Town Win

[GuiltyLion]

Also GL, what do you think of me and nyd? Just wanted to ask.

I'm not seeing any reason to townread you

nyd I think is town

[GuiltyLion]

Well, I think that fake hammer isn't scummy af since I think some people use that as a RT.

why did you say "isn't scummy af"? Do you mean it's only slightly scummy, or not scummy at all?

might be reaching here but this phrasing reads to me like it was retroactively edited which is more likely to come from scum imo. I don't think someone typing out their thoughts organically would write a sentence like this on first attempt. "isn't [x] af" is just a really awkward phrase

I meant on that "scummy af" is that it's not that too scummy. Don't you use some internet slang?

What is the point of the second question here? Of course I use internet slang. It's not the "af" that's the problem, it's the "isn't" in front of it. You're weakening a description of how scummy you think it is, it doesn't feel like a natural thought process.

also do you have any more thoughts about the votes on you or anything at all besides a null read on N_M

My thoughts about the votes on me is that they're voting for the wrong person. I'm still working out my reads though.

this feels manufactured too, "working out" your reads? How are you doing that? Just posting "this game is slow" isn't going to do anything to help solve it.

[GuiltyLion]

Shouldn't you be asking what the town motive is for fake hammering on a hammer?

I think we just disagree that TLH knew they were already hammered when they did the fake hammer. I could see them knowing that their vote was already on Alisae but not realizing that Alisae was at L-0 instead of L-1.

[GuiltyLion]

{nyd, lycan}
{Hiraki, TLH}
{N_M, Tier}
{Martha}

is where I am at

[TierShift]

Prod dodge

[Hiraki]

I've re-read this game a couple of times. I will post something later. It's very hard finding scumreads so I'm going to go back and see who I TR the most. I think that's how I'll get a resolution for my vote for this lynch.

[Lycanfire]

who do you want nydus?

[Towns Last Hope]

{nyd, lycan}
{Hiraki, TLH}
{N_M, Tier}
{Martha}

is where I am at

How did you come up with this?

How did that top tier of townread form

[Not_Mafia]

Prod dodge

[Towns Last Hope]

Why are people only prod dodging?

[Hiraki]

Sorry - I could've sworn I posted here last night; put a good amount of time into that post too. I have figured out this game, I hope.

[GuiltyLion]

{nyd, lycan}
{Hiraki, TLH}
{N_M, Tier}
{Martha}

is where I am at

How did you come up with this?

How did that top tier of townread form

I wouldn't say I "came up" with it, it's just where my head is at the moment

I thought nyd and lycan had sincere looking pushes on N_M and TLH respectively, neither of their cases/votes appeared to have ulterior motive or be coming from a place of knowledge. Mostly just a gut feel but I don't get a disingenuous vibe from either of them currently

[TierShift]

Lycan I don't understand anything about the fake hammer being scummy. It would not draw attention away from anything since we knew hammer was there earlier. It is not alignment-indicative at all. What else do you find readable in this game?

I don't like martha or tlh but I really want to lynch nm today and I don't understand all the resistance to his wagon. He's going to be lynched either way tomorrow. He's just lynchbait being kept alive to lylo for scum if town but also pretty likely scum.

[GuiltyLion]

Lycan I don't understand anything about the fake hammer being scummy. It would not draw attention away from anything since we knew hammer was there earlier. It is not alignment-indicative at all. What else do you find readable in this game?

I don't like martha or tlh but I really want to lynch nm today and I don't understand all the resistance to his wagon. He's going to be lynched either way tomorrow. He's just lynchbait being kept alive to lylo for scum if town but also pretty likely scum.

I don't understand why a fake hammer would be scummy either, that's why I asked him about it, but I felt like everything in 211 was more of a town-response than a scum-response. Like he doesn't seem at all self conscious about the fact that his argument doesn't really make that much sense.

There's not much readable in this game because people aren't posting things worth reading. I want to say Hiraki is top tier town because I vibe with 230 and I think scum!Hiraki could have easily just kept tunneling me in our 1v1, but I do still kinda want more from him. I'm mostly just resisting the N_M wagon for the sake of resisting it so that scum have to justify it harder in case it is a mislynch

[Hiraki]

- Hiraki

- Towns Last Hope(hydra of The_Jester and Dunnstral)
- Lycanfire
- GuiltyLion
- TierShift
- Not_Mafia
- Martha Zolanski
- NYD

TRs:

I think NYD is pretty townie. I don't see someone being so controversial as scum in this game (this is mainly due to the 10 pages aspect)

GuiltyLion, based on our talks, is town. I can see how Alisae saw how he was scum but I think GuiltyLion's judgment about it all was justified.

Upon re-reads, Martha is a very strong TR of mine. I would like clarification on a few things:

I think Not_mafia is a better lynch

Can you clarify why? Your ISO indicates that you have more of a SR on TLH.

Null:

TierShift due to the fact that there's not enough content but that's purely subjective. I also have a good feeling about him. Feel free to lynch me for association but this is jut my feeling atm.

This leaves the following being scummy for different reasons:

Not_Mafia, Lycanfire, and TownsLast Hope; I'd like to review the cases on each.

1) Not_Mafia:

The most obvious one is the accidental hammer on Alisae. I have no problems with the lynch being here but I really wouldn't be surprised if this was a town lynch. The lack of apathy toward the mistake isn't helping though. This is my last ditch vote if the other three just don't make sense after this short review.

2) Lycanfire:

fake hammers are fine but a posthumous one is fishy. how can you not know that the fifth vote is on the board?

I was very confused when I first read this argument which is why there's a good few days where I'm just confused. I would like to discuss it more - even though I'm sure I'll read examples to the world and back from TLH.

1) How is this scummy, in your opinion? I don't want the facts of what happened - just the analysis. I want to know how you think that placing a sixth vote on a five-to-lynch vote equates to scum, rather than town.
2) You may have answered this in 1 - do you have any doubt that this may have just been a mistake on TLH's part or more of a vote without asking?
3) Can you explain more of the partner motives for N_H that you indicated in 183?

3) TLH:

I don't think the fake-hammer is bad. I think this is worse in the long-run:

That's absolutely the worst thing you can do

Why are you not voting for Not_Mafia?

@Mod: Sorry to be a butt again but just for future reference, Votecount 1.B.3 has a (2) next to Not_Mafia when it should be a (1). Won't matter after these bad boys tho:

Vote: Lycanfire
Vote: Towns Last Hope
Vote: Not_Mafia

[Towns Last Hope]

Why are you not voting for Not_Mafia?

I didn't say it was scummy, it's bad play

[Towns Last Hope]

VOTE: Hiraki

[Towns Last Hope]

Can you clarify why? Your ISO indicates that you have more of a SR on TLH.

So you haven't read the game, then

[Hiraki]

Can you clarify why? Your ISO indicates that you have more of a SR on TLH.

So you haven't read the game, then

I have - please don't answer questions that aren't directed towards you.

[Hiraki]

Why are you not voting for Not_Mafia?

I didn't say it was scummy, it's bad play

Can you establish the difference in this scenario?

Do you think N_M is not a competent player to make something look innocent while being scummy in character?

[Martha Zolanski]

@Hiraki
I'm not scumreading TLH now. Feel free to look on my ISO, and if you still have any questions then ask me.

[Martha Zolanski]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

If people wants this then I'm fine with it

[nydushermain]

I'm so sorry I was away with IRL stuff. I should've V/LAed but I'm here now and will be free later tonight.

[Towns Last Hope]

Why are you not voting for Not_Mafia?

I didn't say it was scummy, it's bad play

Can you establish the difference in this scenario?

Do you think N_M is not a competent player to make something look innocent while being scummy in character?

Do you believe a competent player can't make incompetent plays?

[Titus]

Votecount 1.B.4

- Hiraki (1): Towns Last Hope
- Towns Last Hope(hydra of The_Jester and Dunnstral) (2): Lycanfire, Hiraki
- Lycanfire (2): Not Mafia, Hiraki
- GuiltyLion (2):Not Mafia, Towns Last Hope
- TierShift (0): Nobody
- Not_Mafia (3): Tiershift, Hiraki, Not_Mafia
- Martha Zolanski (2): Guilty Lion, Not_Mafia
- nydushermain (1): Towns Last Hope

Not Voting (1): nydushermain

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