Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[Albert B. Rampage]

We'll bandwagon his ass and if he claims doctor we won't lynch him.

[Toaster Strudel]

Pressuring Quag to claim is pointless right now, given that must of us don't even believe that he's bothered to read his PM. He's possibly the only person in this game where a BW would be for a lynch, not for pressure.

What???

If he has to claim... he will HAVE to read his PM if he still hasn't - regardless of all the nonsense he's previously ruined the game with.

That's not "pointless" - that's a very specific goal that cannot fail.

What's a BW anyway?

[Toaster Strudel]

(Mind you, if the scumteam is Yos, hasdaflag, and Quag, you're going to look like a genius.)

I'm throwing you and MoS in the bunch, for the betting people out there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Its a Baaaandwagon!

[Toaster Strudel]

I also approve of Bookitty. More so now that that Quagmire has blessed her with his vote.

Hey... anyone noticed?

hasdagas has defended Quagmire...
...and now Quagmire is defending hasdagas!

[Albert B. Rampage]

You me and kitty ought to form a scumpatrol to clean these mean streets.

[Quagmire]

Defending your stupid actions is equivalent to defending a newbie's idea to have a first day no-lynch. "But wait, that seems pro-town, because then we wouldn't lynch a townie!" It SOUNDS good, but it doesn't hold up. Hasdgfas is arguing that your actions were pro-town. They were not. They were pro-YOU. Now, his arguing that doesn't make YOU scum, though you may be. But it does make HIM scummy for arguing it.

It is pro-town, though. Before I read my role, the town, whether or not I'm on the town's side, had a townsperson. If I was mafia, then the town would have gained an extra townsperson for that day. That is what hasdfhasgdhaf is arguing, and he's basically rehashed what I've said in previous discussions on the mafia discussion forum. I think they're pro-town, and so does he.

I still fail to see what relevance dissenting opinions in mafia theory have to do with this particular game.

You're going against the entire point of Mafia by not reading your role PM, Quagmire. Paint it how you like, but it's something intended to give you an advantage over other players. If not, why do it? And if everyone followed suit, would this game be MORE fun, or less so?

First, until I read my role PM, I was playing more pure mafia than anyone else in this game.
Second, I can honestly say that I have no idea how that game would turn out if nobody knew their role.
Third, what's wrong with me trying to gain an advantage? If I am a mafioso, then I have a slight advantage on day two. If I'm a townsperson, I've given the town an advantage. Isn't that the point? To get an advantage so that you have a better chance of winning the game?

I'm sorry you don't like the discussion here, in this thread. You brought it up yourself, under no pressure to do so. If you didn't want the discussion, why bring it up?

Because I think you're being mafia in doing so.

Hey... anyone noticed?

hasdagas has defended Quagmire...
...and now Quagmire is defending hasdagas!

Yes! You're Right! Me and hasdfhasdgh are scum partners! Excellent job in figuring out our connection! We weren't obvious enough for You! Awesome Job!

[Quagmire]

I would also like to point out that Albert B. Rampage enjoys this policy-voting thing. It's quite obvious.

[Peers]

If he has to claim... he will HAVE to read his PM if he still hasn't - regardless of all the nonsense he's previously ruined the game with.

That's not "pointless" - that's a very specific goal that cannot fail.

Okay, TS, tell me this... think about your answer before you give it, be honest, be truthful...

If he claims vanilla townie, how loud is the voice in the back of your head going to be screaming "No! He's lying!"

Quag has proven untrustworthy already in this game. Pressuring someone for a claim requires a certain level of trust in them to tell the truth. Nobody ever claims Mafia, nobody ever claims Serial Killer, nobody ever claims Cult Recruiter, etc, etc, etc. When someone claims nurse, or vanilla, or whatever, we have to decide if we trust them or not.

Do you trust Quag, TS? If so, why bother pressuring him? If not, why bother pressuring him?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I claimed Serial Killer a couple times ^

We are pressuring him to claim so that he can't change his claim later on in the game. If he claims vanilla now, he won't be able to lie later. Also, it forces him to read his role.

[Peers]

I claimed Serial Killer a couple times ^

Sorry. nobody sane claims Serial Killer, or Mafia, or...

... dammit, I claimed Mafia once. But it was in a two-Mafia game and resulted in the deaths of two of the other scumgroup... and I only claimed once discovered...

*sigh*

Okay, no good player claims Serial Killer, or Mafia, or...

[Albert B. Rampage]

We are probably going to lynch Quagmire today.

[Setael]

I think I'm replacing sikario8 but I haven't seen Shanba post anything. Anyway... I'm reading the thread.

[Shanba]

Uh yeah, setael replaces Sikario8, who did not pick up his prod

[YagamiLight]

Defending your stupid actions is equivalent to defending a newbie's idea to have a first day no-lynch. "But wait, that seems pro-town, because then we wouldn't lynch a townie!" It SOUNDS good, but it doesn't hold up. Hasdgfas is arguing that your actions were pro-town. They were not. They were pro-YOU. Now, his arguing that doesn't make YOU scum, though you may be. But it does make HIM scummy for arguing it.

It is pro-town, though. Before I read my role, the town, whether or not I'm on the town's side, had a townsperson. If I was mafia, then the town would have gained an extra townsperson for that day. That is what hasdfhasgdhaf is arguing, and he's basically rehashed what I've said in previous discussions on the mafia discussion forum. I think they're pro-town, and so does he.

I still fail to see what relevance dissenting opinions in mafia theory have to do with this particular game.

I find it is anti-town only because we do not know if you actually didn't read it like you claim. If you didn't then you're right, we gain a pure townie, whether you really are one or not. But there is the possibility that you are scum and lying about it. In this case you could go after people you know are town, still doing all the things scum do, and we would have to try and figure out if you did something scummy on accident or because you really did read your pm. So, like I said, I find it anti-town, but not scummy. I also just find the fact that you chose to let everyone know what is anti-town. I would have nothing against doing it and keeping it to yourself, because in the announcing, like I said, you could be lying, but actually playing a day without reading your pm does give you an advantage that I think is okay, as well as helping the town (at least for the one day).

[Toaster Strudel]

Do you trust Quag, TS? If so, why bother pressuring him? If not, why bother pressuring him?

unvote, vote: Quagmire

- not for pressure, but for lynching.

Link to actual post - Yes, actually, you're right, I didn't understand what you said at first. I agree: I want to LYNCH him.

[Peers]

Oh, well then, carry on.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

6: Quagmire

(Elmo, Battle Mage, TS, JordanA24, ABR, Bookitty)

3: Kscope

(Zu_Faul, Yosarian2, schismatized)

3: Peers

(YagamiLight, Erg0, hasdgfas)

2: MoS

(Kscope, Panzerjager)

1: Toaster Strudel

(MoS)

1: hasdgfas

(Peers)

1: Setael

(Sir Tornado)

1: ABR

(Setael)

1: Bookitty

(Quagmire)[/b]

Not voting:

With that round of replacements, I'm now setting a deadline, as discussion has been going for quite a while. Any complaints send em to me by PM, if I get enough I'll consider removing it, but things need to get moving sometime.

Deadline set for Fri Jan 18

[Peers]

I count six there for Quag, O Mod, My Mod.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unvote, Vote: Kscope

[Toaster Strudel]

Interesting vote, MoS. For many reasons.

There are 6 votes for Quagmire, 3 for Peers, and 3 for Kscope. Let's suppose you strategically decided to give steam to a wagon that competes with Quagmire's wagon, to indirectly protect Quagmire maybe, you'd switch your vote to either Peers or Kscope.

You voted for Kscope for no reason.
You didn't vote for Peers. You voted for Kscope.
See, I noticed.

Let's look at your relationship with Kscope:

This is the first time you mention Kscope in the game, not counting the one time you made fun of a typo of his name. An unsupported vote.

Let's look at your relationship with Peers:

Early in the game, you jumped on JordanA24 for putting (agack!) a FOURTH vote on Peers, and you voted for JordanA24, and accused him of throwing smoke and flames.

You yourself did once find Peers worthy of an FOS: FOS of Peers

Earlier in the game, I posted this crazy theory:

MoS's lack of reading the game (if he read the game he would not have dismissed my contribution so lackadaisically), combined with his own near complete lack of participation, and sudden attempt to distract from the Peers wagon leads me to believe that we might be on to something with the Peers wagon.

You said it was a ridiculous theory. And yes, it might have been premature. But isn't it strange that, although you saw fit to FOS Peers, you twice made moves that might save his skin.

And you've protected Quagmire, too.

Just pointing it out for posterity, because I want to be a genius when Quagmire, MoS, hasdagas, Yosarian2 and Peers come up scum!

[hasdgfas]

A little look at some of MoS's posts.

Unvote, Vote: Toaster Strudel

Metagame policy to lynch TS in every game until I see some useful posts instead of random ranting that doesn't even contain logic.

So you're policy lynching her?

TS is a crackpot idiot who gets way too carried away divulging herself in ridiculous theories that are so strung out they fall apart like a house of cards if a breeze comes through. I'm more than willing to policy lynch a person like that in any game, unless I have a better suspect. And since it's only page 11 on Day 1 of a large game, that's a damn good place for my vote.

So she plays a bit differently than others. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. It can be fun sometimes. Just because you don't like someone's playstyle doesn't mean they shouldn't be on the site.

MoS, why aren't you policy lynching Quagy ? He is a way better policy.

I'm not policy lynching

anyone

.

You said you were earlier

For fuck's sake, how many times do I have to say that I'm not policy voting for you to get it through your head.

It will never be enough after the post you made where you said you were policy lynching TS.

Unvote, Vote: Kscope

OMGUS much?


Take what you will from these posts. Personally, I'm not a big fan of them. You're policy lynching TS, but you're not? You're voting kscope why? It looks like OMGUS to me. That deserves, at the very least, a

FoS

A closer look at Peers hopefully coming soon.

[Toaster Strudel]

Keep that up, and I'm going to start thinking you're town, hasdgfas.

[Quagmire]

Interesting vote, MoS. For many reasons.

There are 6 votes for Quagmire, 3 for Peers, and 3 for Kscope. Let's suppose you strategically decided to give steam to a wagon that competes with Quagmire's wagon, to indirectly protect Quagmire maybe, you'd switch your vote to either Peers or Kscope.

You voted for Kscope for no reason.
You didn't vote for Peers. You voted for Kscope.
See, I noticed.

Let's look at your relationship with Kscope:

This is the first time you mention Kscope in the game, not counting the one time you made fun of a typo of his name. An unsupported vote.

Let's look at your relationship with Peers:

Early in the game, you jumped on JordanA24 for putting (agack!) a FOURTH vote on Peers, and you voted for JordanA24, and accused him of throwing smoke and flames.

You yourself did once find Peers worthy of an FOS: FOS of Peers

Earlier in the game, I posted this crazy theory:

MoS's lack of reading the game (if he read the game he would not have dismissed my contribution so lackadaisically), combined with his own near complete lack of participation, and sudden attempt to distract from the Peers wagon leads me to believe that we might be on to something with the Peers wagon.

You said it was a ridiculous theory. And yes, it might have been premature. But isn't it strange that, although you saw fit to FOS Peers, you twice made moves that might save his skin.

And you've protected Quagmire, too.

Just pointing it out for posterity, because I want to be a genius when Quagmire, MoS, hasdagas, Yosarian2 and Peers come up scum!

hahahahahaha too bad i'm town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Toaster Strudel]

hahahahahaha too bad i'm town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's easy to type, and the least convincing of possible arguments.

Prove it. Claim.