Mini 520 - Triumvirate Mafia - ABANDONED

[Mizzy]

So, um, thoughts anyone?

[Elmo]

^ Let's ask some questions!

phate: Please explain post 103 ("agreeable") to me. Also, please give an opinion of Miztif.
somestrangeflea: Explain your FaerieLord vote?
FaerieLord: Um, hi. You're being replaced?

*poke*

Mizzy: What do you feel about Spider Jerusalem?
Cephrir: What do you think of skitzer's behaviour, and why is it scummy?
Thin_Man: Besides FaerieLord, who do you find scummy?
Mastermind of Sin: What do you propose we do about Thin_Man's lack of voting reasons?
skitzer: What do you think of Thin_Man's behaviour?
Miztif: What is your opinion of Phate?
spurgistan: Why do you feel Faerielord's "non-logic" is worth a vote?
Sir Tornado: What do you think of the level of activity in general?

@SSF: What are you trying to get at with elmo's post? Do you find putting that filler in scummy?

Kinda. It seems as though he's laying a foundation so that, if he falls under suspicion later, he can say "Look how

much

I helped the town here!" It's kind of a stretch, but you have to evaluate all the evidence...

Also, please explain how this is not a variant of Too Townie?

[Mizzy]

Mizzy: What do you feel about Spider Jerusalem?

What do I think of the character, or what do I think of him pre- or post-replacement? WHICH, I ASK YOU?

[Elmo]

If I understand the question, pre-replacement.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Make him explain it

[Phate]

However, I stand by my original statement - I find you too agreeable. Your points of dissent are always surrounded by things like "I agree with most of this", "I definitely didn't mean to say", and "I could see how I was a little unclear." Perhaps this is just your playstyle, but I don't trust diplomats.

[Miztef]

However, I stand by my original statement - I find you too agreeable. Your points of dissent are always surrounded by things like "I agree with most of this", "I definitely didn't mean to say", and "I could see how I was a little unclear." Perhaps this is just your playstyle, but I don't trust diplomats.

Is this directed towards me? or SJ again?

Phate, from the start of the game, has been disconcerting at best. There have been times when we, as a town, have been close to lynching him (it's hard to tell how close, but I'd say 2 more people convinced at a good moment and he would be 6 feet under).

It's hard to tell if scum have driven accusations towards him, or kept him alive. At this time, the evidence against him is not so great, and I think it would require a great deal of case presentation and solid evidence finds to actually get phate lynched.

I would, however, be fine with going after phate at this time if there was a backing for this motion. More so then Elmo or FaerieLord at least.

[Phate]

That's directed towards Elmo.

[Mizzy]

If I understand the question, pre-replacement.

Ah, okay! Well, he seemed like he was genuinely trying to be helpful and just had his foot in his mouth a couple times in regards to not being clear enough. His distaste of a no-lynch struck me as pro-town, though I think we was reading into some things a bit too deeply at the same time.

His statements seem good but are not worded very well, and they didn't really have enough definitive opinion in them for me to get a really good read on him pre-replacement.

In general, I think he had some good general ideas but they were too wishy-washy to really make any difference. He did not come off as scum to me, but he also didn't come off as overly pro-town. Granted, if you are pro-town, that's the best way to be (as to not waste power role uses) but that's WIFOM and just a thought process I had.

[skitzer]

Elmo: Thin_Man has a lot of small posts, but I can't criticize him for that because I do the exact same. My biggest criticism of him is blatantly saying "I don't explain my votes, sorry." I don't have a definite read on him, but he is leaning towards the scum side for me.

[Shanba]

Rishi replaces Faerielord.

[Rishi]

Hi folks. Will do a read in the next 24 hours or so.

[Mizzy]

Hi folks. Will do a read in the next 24 hours or so.

*Pats your avatar on the head in greeting* :3

[Phate]

Hope you live that long.

[Elmo]

SUP RISHIFISH!

Perhaps this is just your playstyle, but I don't trust diplomats.

Why?

[Phate]

I had a nice rant on this on a newbie game I was in. Let me go fetch it.

[Phate]

I'd like to remind you all that we're not here to make friends or hold grudges. We're here to win the game. The Mafia are staging a brutal takeover of the town, systematically butchering its inhabitants. We're a bloodthirsty lynch mob, seeking revenge for the deaths of our neighbors by pre-emptively murdering one among us every day. There's no reason to be an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole (unless you get a perverse glee from it, likely related to repressed feelings of inadequacy, like I do). There is equally no reason to be pleasant just for the sake of being pleasant. Anyone touting a cup of tea and a "Howdy, neighbor!" could just as easily (if not more easily) be scum trying to get you to like them (or worse: connect the two of you in the rest of the town's mind), as opposed to an innocent townie. Don't fall for the trick of letting an older player (even if it's me) pat you on the head and tell you, "Good job." That's what we call appeal to emotion, and should always and immediately be viewed with suspicion. Basically, anytime anyone does anything, think about what their motive is. Personally, I automatically distrust people who post nice things about me without backing up those nice things with evidence and logic.

[Mizzy]

I'd like to remind you all that we're not here to make friends or hold grudges. We're here to win the game. The Mafia are staging a brutal takeover of the town, systematically butchering its inhabitants. We're a bloodthirsty lynch mob, seeking revenge for the deaths of our neighbors by pre-emptively murdering one among us every day. There's no reason to be an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole (unless you get a perverse glee from it, likely related to repressed feelings of inadequacy, like I do). There is equally no reason to be pleasant just for the sake of being pleasant. Anyone touting a cup of tea and a "Howdy, neighbor!" could just as easily (if not more easily) be scum trying to get you to like them (or worse: connect the two of you in the rest of the town's mind), as opposed to an innocent townie. Don't fall for the trick of letting an older player (even if it's me) pat you on the head and tell you, "Good job." That's what we call appeal to emotion, and should always and immediately be viewed with suspicion. Basically, anytime anyone does anything, think about what their motive is. Personally, I automatically distrust people who post nice things about me without backing up those nice things with evidence and logic.

But I have a weakness for cute, fluffy things. I have to pet them T_T

[Mastermind of Sin]

B-b-but...what about me? *cries*

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Phate, the topic of your rant is also known as "extreme paranoia".

[Mizzy]

B-b-but...what about me? *cries*

Oh I suppose I can give you some head-pettin's. *Pets kitten*

[Rishi]

Rules clarification: Can a Triumvirate power be channeled to one of the Mafia?

[Cephrir]

[quote=Elmo]Cephrir: What do you think of skitzer's behaviour, and why is it scummy?[/quote]

He can argue that it's playstyle all he wants, but he has yet to contribute anything substantial to the game. Not helpful = scummy.

I'd be good with a Phate or skitzer lynch today, just for the record.

[Rishi]

All right, I did a read. A large part of this thread was dominated by the discussion of whether or not a mass claim should happen. I think the general consensus at this point is that we're not mass claiming?

Actually, the thing that caught my eye the most is Phate's argument that friendliness equals suspicion. I hate using this expression too much (because it's overused and misused), but I think that's WIFOM. It seems that, perhaps Phate posts this in multiple games in order to convince people of his argument, so that he can continue to act unfriendly and avoid suspicion. Attitude, at least to me, seems a bit of a null-tell. I see Phate's general point. Buddying up to a townie is a very good tactic for scum (spurgistan did this to me in a recent game we were both in!), but I think it only becomes scummy if someone is only being friendly to one particular player. General friendliness is not a scumtell.

Besides, meerkats enjoy being patted on the head.

It seems my vote is already on Phate. I'll leave it there for now.

A huge bandwagon is on me right now. I'm not sure what to make of it. FL was kind of a jerk (which, according to Phate makes him town) and not a very good player. There's not much I can say to that.

[Shanba]

Rules clarification: Can a Triumvirate power be channeled to one of the Mafia?

Yes, scum can receive a trium power.

[Mastermind of Sin]

B-b-but...what about me? *cries*

Oh I suppose I can give you some head-pettin's. *Pets kitten*

*purrs* ^.^