Mini 497 - Game Over

Flameaxe · Post Post #850 (ISO) » Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:42 pm

One kill at night does not imply he didn't kill.

Mizzy · Post Post #851 (ISO) » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:48 pm

Flameaxe wrote:One kill at night does not imply he didn't kill.

If he was the town vig, he could only have killed during the day, and since the only day kill was townie lynch, the can't be a town vig...therefore, if he IS a vig, he's a mafia vig.

kabenon007 · Post Post #852 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:03 am

I'm a one-shot night vig, I can only kill at night, and only once. So I wanted to save it for an emergency time. Besides, my role is easily testable. Just tell me who you guys want me to vig tonight, and I'll do it. Simple. It's like an extra lynch. We can even vote on the person if you guys want to.

Mizzy · Post Post #853 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:07 am

kabenon007 wrote:I'm a one-shot night vig, I can only kill at night, and only once. So I wanted to save it for an emergency time. Besides, my role is easily testable. Just tell me who you guys want me to vig tonight, and I'll do it. Simple. It's like an extra lynch. We can even vote on the person if you guys want to.

So, what you're saying is that we should wait until possibly two more townies are dead, and then see who you decide to murder? That could possibly cost us the game, you know.

kabenon007 · Post Post #854 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:25 am

The thing is, now that I've come out, I'm probably going to be NK'd anyway. So the NK will at least be wasted on me. But it can't be wasted if you guys lynch me. And I can at least try.

kabenon007 · Post Post #855 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:26 am

EBWOP: I forgot that Harper claimed cop now, so he will probably be the NK.

Mispeled · Post Post #856 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:23 am

first of all, "testing" the vigilante is a bad idea.

on the other hand, if we have someone we want the vigilante to target someone, we can do that. but having him kill just for the sake of confirming him is not good.

also, if we have a vigilante and a cop, I think it's definitely a possibility for the cop to be insane.

Mizzy · Post Post #857 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:25 am

Mispeled wrote:first of all, "testing" the vigilante is a bad idea.

on the other hand, if we have someone we want the vigilante to target someone, we can do that. but having him kill just for the sake of confirming him is not good.

also, if we have a vigilante and a cop, I think it's definitely a possibility for the cop to be insane.

We don't really know for sure if we have either.

-TinVision- · Post Post #858 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:29 am

Mispeled is correct that chances are incredibly low that we started with a doc, sane cop, and a vig. However, it's at least as likely that vig is a fakeclaim as it is that our cop is insane.

kabenon007 · Post Post #859 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:50 am

Well, I know I will probably get jumped on for this one, but a no-lynch is also a possibility.

Mispeled · Post Post #860 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:05 am

The problem with that is that even if you are a vig, you and the mafia could end up killing the same person. And if you are in fact mafia and we come back tomorrow and there's only one kill, you can just say that that happened.

and yeah, of course the vig claim OR even the cop claim could be false for all we know. i think that DH's claim makes sense with his previous play (along with the lack of a counter claim), but I'm not sure if kabenon's claim makes sense. I'll do a bit of rereading and see if I can find anything.

SeraphicMirth · Post Post #861 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:15 am

Mispeled wrote:The problem with that is that even if you are a vig, you and the mafia could end up killing the same person. And if you are in fact mafia and we come back tomorrow and there's only one kill, you can just say that that happened.

samethought. and he's only one-shot so that's it if that situation happened. The mafia could jump on his kill simply to MAKE that situation happen as well, and make him less credible if he were a townie. That's an extra lynch in their favor as well.

unvote

for now because I need to read and see if I can make any sense of what to do with this (probably not), and I don't remember the vote count.
I may re-vote kab..I still felt like he was really suspicious and DH has that read on him.

Also, someone said it's unlikely that there'd be a doc, sane cop, and vig.
but, kab is a one-shot so...wouldn't that balance it out just as much as putting an insane cop in would? So..I think it's very possible that DH is sane. which makes kab guilty and not a vig at all, but mafia as his response got.

IDK..I need to read more and see how this shapes up some more.

SeraphicMirth · Post Post #862 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:17 am

no..ok this doesn't make any sense lol

if kab was one-shot vig to balance a sane cop & doc, then DH couldn't be sane.

So..it's either that DH is sane and kab is mafia/scumrole. or that kab is one-shot and DH is insane.

right..that's what everyoen was already trying to say. my bad.

kabenon007 · Post Post #863 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:36 am

unvote. Seeing as there is no counter-claim, then I am forced to assume that Harper is cop. Also, we can decide that I will choose from a majority that the town thinks is scum, that way the scum aren't assured to hit the same target as me. Plus, if we choose wisely enough, we'll hit scum, and scum wouldn't target themselves.

kabenon007 · Post Post #864 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:36 am

shit...

unvote

Flameaxe · Post Post #865 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:37 am

Mizzy wrote:
Flameaxe wrote:One kill at night does not imply he didn't kill.
If he was the town vig, he could only have killed during the day, and since the only day kill was townie lynch, the can't be a town vig...therefore, if he IS a vig, he's a mafia vig.

Jesus you are dumb.

SeraphicMirth · Post Post #866 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:43 am

Oh yeah...I was curious about that. Is that the norm around here? Town vig only kills during the day?? I've always played that they kill at night.

Flameaxe · Post Post #867 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:44 am

No. A vig that kills during the day is a...

DAY VIG

Oh what a concept!

Mizzy · Post Post #868 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:13 am

SeraphicMirth wrote:Oh yeah...I was curious about that. Is that the norm around here? Town vig only kills during the day?? I've always played that they kill at night.

The terminology and roles slightly differ from what I have seen...

Anyway, DH says he got a guilty read on Kab, yes? So we can find out if he's sane or not by lynching Kab. Our doctor is already dead, so DH is most likely NOT going to get another reading tonight.

kabenon007 · Post Post #869 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:22 am

Wait! I have an idea! If we say who I am going to target, the scum will be faced with a choice. Kill the claimed cop and let me kill the person we agreed that I would target, or kill me and let the cop get another investigation. If they kill me, then we have another scum, because they would not want me to kill one of their own. The down side to this is that if we choose my target wrong, they will just kill Harper.

Flameaxe · Post Post #870 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:25 am

kabenon007 wrote:Wait! I have an idea! If we say who I am going to target, the scum will be faced with a choice. Kill the claimed cop and let me kill the person we agreed that I would target, or kill me and let the cop get another investigation. If they kill me, then we have another scum, because they would not want me to kill one of their own. The down side to this is that if we choose my target wrong, they will just kill Harper.

This plan is made of win. Lets lynch Mizzy now then.

Mizzy · Post Post #871 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:39 am

kabenon007 wrote:Wait! I have an idea! If we say who I am going to target, the scum will be faced with a choice. Kill the claimed cop and let me kill the person we agreed that I would target, or kill me and let the cop get another investigation. If they kill me, then we have another scum, because they would not want me to kill one of their own. The down side to this is that if we choose my target wrong, they will just kill Harper.

Are you the kind of vig that dies during the kill or survives?

Dean Harper · Post Post #872 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:08 am

kab could bepulling this out of his ass now and just pretending to target someone so as to get a no lynch by town and having his mafia buddys kill me. Just throwing out a likely possibility.

Mizzy · Post Post #873 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:14 am

Dean Harper wrote:kab could bepulling this out of his ass now and just pretending to target someone so as to get a no lynch by town and having his mafia buddys kill me. Just throwing out a likely possibility.

Agreed. A NK vig claim would be a perfect way to ensure he lasts til N2...it's useful enough that we let him slide, and he gets to chat it up with his mafia, and then make up some more excuses tomorrow for why his target didn't die.

Alternatively, he may not target who we tell him to.

SeraphicMirth · Post Post #874 (ISO) » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:04 am

kabenon007 wrote:Wait! I have an idea! If we say who I am going to target, the scum will be faced with a choice. Kill the claimed cop and let me kill the person we agreed that I would target, or kill me and let the cop get another investigation. If they kill me, then we have another scum, because they would not want me to kill one of their own. The down side to this is that if we choose my target wrong, they will just kill Harper.

Well, there is a 3rd possibility, which is that if you are actually a vig..they kill who we say you're going to kill. Then you've wasted your one shot and we can't tell whether you killed or they killed because there was only 1 night victim in that case.
So, that whole plan is not really going to work..unless I'm missing something here.