Hmm…
Claus,
Claus wrote:Do you REALLY want to start discussing other games in this thread?
Umm…you brought them up.
Claus wrote:Your read of those games is wrong. And biased, as you read them wanting to prove the point opposite to mine.
I invite any interested players to read them for themselves. They are Open 44 and Mini 53. Based on what I’ve seen so far in this game, I’m almost sure at least one player, and quite possibly a couple of others, will. I’m comfortable with what they’ll see in them.
Claus wrote:Regarding your defense of my "timid" comment, I think you are making my point. Reading your quoting of yourself and the comments in your last post, I see the names of SSK, Apydog, Shteven, Cronx, and yet your vote during most of the game was firmly planted on Ythill. I see you as a butterfly, regarding accusations.
So your point is that I voted for the person I was most suspicious of but continued to scum hunt elsewhere? Okay.
Claus wrote:The "myslinch is a myslinch" point that I did is correct, even in context - I criticize you BECAUSE you think that myslinches are always bad to the town. That line is often used to paralize the town, and I have a problem with that.
Well, I didn’t say they were always bad. But I do have a strict interpretation of when they are not, which I stated. But this issue is now you having a different philosophy of the game than I do. Okay. Just out of curiosity, when do you think mislynches are beneficial to town?
Claus wrote:And are you REALLY trying to argue that Xtomx is more verbose/less direct than you?
I can’t even argue that Shteven is more verbose than me. I’m only left with Ythill on that score. But that isn’t the statement I was replying to. It was this:
Claus wrote:How about the fact that even though you are one of the most active posters in the thread, you have only one serious vote in these 15 pages?
And 60 is a lot more than 30. And my vote came with a complete case and much gnashing of teeth from both me and the person I put it on. While XtoXm’s came early on an easy target and stayed there without any real additional input. For that matter, XtoXm has had some posts that were vague enough other players needed clarification as to what he meant. So the contradiction in your opinions on your initial pbpa still stands.
Claus wrote:In short: I argue that you are not positioning yourself, and in response you try to draw me into a semantic war. You want to discuss the details of the posts with me, because you can't really argue with the one, simple, direct point that I make. Please!
Nothing in anything I have posted to you involved semantics. I posted my own words from thread to answer unquoted and minimally quoted points you had raised.
As far as wanting to describe the details of the posts, let me lay this out for you:
You wrote a pbpa with an unsupported accusation of me.
I asked you to give some examples.
You brought up my posts to support the accusation you made in your pbpa.
I quoted those posts to show that they do not support your accusation.
Because you see, if you can’t find evidence in my posts to support your accusation, then there is no basis for the accusation. You are still welcome to make it.
But, that’s the thing, and you’ve done it twice in this post. You seem to want to get to make the accusation and not have it defended against.
I mean you bring up other games and accuse me based on them, then get upset when I reply to you about them. You give your views on my posts, and then when I quote them to show your views are incorrect you act like I’m somehow cheating by defending myself.
I don’t know about positioning myself, which sounds like a rather scummy way of describing the forming of opinions, but I have expressed my opinions clearly throughout the thread. And by the cases I have made it should be clear to anyone reading my posts that Disciple Slayer is currently my number one suspect, and that Apyadg is my current number two. The later might fairly be arrived at by me saying Apyadg was currently my number two suspect. So your final bit in this post…
Claus wrote:Instead, how about putting your money where your mouth is, and telling us your current read on the players?
…is just as inaccurate as all the rest of it. I would prefer to wait to vote for Disciple Slayer until he has had a chance to address the points raised against him. I have not liked Apyadg’s response to my case against him nor his recent odd statements concerning scum hunting, most especially considering the fact that he seemed capable of both attack and defense earlier in the game. I might well vote for Apyadg if we do not hear from Disciple Slayer or if Disciple Slayer presents us with a compelling explanation of his actions (which I doubt he will) and Apyadg continues to be as present and unresponsive as he has been. However, since we are looking at possibly three kills today (a lynch and two night kills) I would really like to make as sure as possible that we get at least one of town’s two possible kills right.
I am also concerned about moving forward too quickly when two players (charter and ho1den) have not been with us for the majority of the game and a third (MafiaSSK) has barely been with us since getting into some initial hot water. I am suspicious enough of Disciple Slayer that I am willing to entertain reasons for lynching him before he has had a chance to answer the accusations against him, but they will have to be extremely compelling in order to convince me. Moving the game along will not be that reason, not at this point anyway. I’m in no exceptional hurry to get to night. I can’t think of a single reason why anyone who wasn’t scummy would be.
Claus, your attack on me has been bizarre and illogical enough that I’m tempted to consider it scummy, but I can’t shake the suspicion that you only skimmed my posts when you made your initial pbpa and have since been trying to justify a poorly informed opinion.
But yeah, back to this haha.
