Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[Setael]

This is about the 10th time this game he's said "A Peers lynch will be bad for the town." I bought that the first couple times and now I'm over it. How about providing an actual defense or case on someone else instead of repeating over and over that you're town?

I think it's weird that all of a sudden TS thinks that makes Peers look town when he's said it so many times this game already.

[Toaster Strudel]

A Peers lynch will be bad for the town. Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum. No proof, just hunch. Unfortunately, my death will be the proof...

Going by gut only, and I hope I am being no fool, his reactions sounds awfully townie to me. I hate when that happens.

but he still hasn't answered the question that has been posed to him by multiple different people.

Your question is: "Why do you find Quagmire scummy?" right?

Funny you should be so upset about Peers not answering question, when you seem to find little wrong with the same whem Quagmire does it.

Several times, earlier in the game, Quagmire CATEGORICALLY REFUSED to answer questions from ANY player.

But now, you, hasdagas, and MoS, have decided that Peers not answering a question about how scummy Quagmire is (do you get the irony here?) is worthy of adding, or keeping your vote/pressure on him.

Just pointing it out.

I think not lynching Quagmire would be a VERY LARGE STRATEGIC MISTAKE for this town.

[Toaster Strudel]

This is about the 10th time this game he's said "A Peers lynch will be bad for the town."

He's already said he's vanilla. What's his defense? He looks like a weak townie to me at this point.

The big difference, I see, at this point, between Peers and Quagmire is one of agenda. Peers, beyond saying that a Peers lynch "would be bad for the town" has not done anything particularly scummy has his wagon mounted. When he expressed suspicion, it was on a few players that are quite justifiably scummy.

Peers made no subtle analysis trying to distance from one player, buddy up to another... mixing up townie and scumbuddies as scum would... no. He just named the three most obvious scumbags on his wagon. That's a player that doesn't have an agenda.

Quagmire, on the other hand, has spent the whole game with an agenda. Not reading his PM is an agenda. Twinning MoS's policy vote (and again, I'd never played with Quagmire before, why would he policy vote me?) is an agenda. Refusing to answer questions is an agenda (though Peers is too lazy to answer one now, admittedly, not helping himself here). Note that Quagmire refused to asnwer the EXACT SAME kind of question, which is, "Do you think so-and-so is scummy?" Quagmire would not answer these questions either. Refusing to claim is an agenda. Voting Bookitty off-wagon is an agenda, allowing to switch his vote late on a wagon and make a difference. Maintaining this vote against all logic is an agenda.

What distinguishes the players on the Peers wagon from the players on the Quagmire wagon, is that the players on the Peers wagon appear to amplify anything that Peers do, and have a complete blind spot for Quagmire. Hasdagas, Setael, even Erg0, MoS, and Quagmire himself. Adn Zu_Faul to some extent.

[Toaster Strudel]

...and I forgot to mention Yosarian, who, has I pointed out earlier, has once again made himself scarce at a crucial moment.

Maybe he's going to have to pick between voting for a player who he knows is a townie, and an player who he knows is his buddy.

I want to watch this.

mod prod please: Yosarian

[hasdgfas]

A Peers lynch will be bad for the town. Quad, MoS, and Setael are scum. No proof, just hunch. Unfortunately, my death will be the proof...

Going by gut only, and I hope I am being no fool, his reactions sounds awfully townie to me. I hate when that happens.

but he still hasn't answered the question that has been posed to him by multiple different people.

Your question is: "Why do you find Quagmire scummy?" right?

Funny you should be so upset about Peers not answering question, when you seem to find little wrong with the same whem Quagmire does it.

Several times, earlier in the game, Quagmire CATEGORICALLY REFUSED to answer questions from ANY player.

But now, you, hasdagas, and MoS, have decided that Peers not answering a question about how scummy Quagmire is (do you get the irony here?) is worthy of adding, or keeping your vote/pressure on him.

Just pointing it out.

I think not lynching Quagmire would be a VERY LARGE STRATEGIC MISTAKE for this town.

I didn't say that I found little wrong with him not answering the questions asked to him, I just wasn't as forceful in wanting him to answer questions. I still wanted him to answer questions, but it seemed like enough other people were asking him questions or telling him to answer the questions, unless I'm just remembering incorrectly. Did you find anyplace in my posts where I said that I didn't mind him not answering the questions?

[Quagmire]

This is about the 10th time this game he's said "A Peers lynch will be bad for the town."

He's already said he's vanilla. What's his defense? He looks like a weak townie to me at this point.

The big difference, I see, at this point, between Peers and Quagmire is one of agenda. Peers, beyond saying that a Peers lynch "would be bad for the town" has not done anything particularly scummy has his wagon mounted. When he expressed suspicion, it was on a few players that are quite justifiably scummy.

Peers made no subtle analysis trying to distance from one player, buddy up to another... mixing up townie and scumbuddies as scum would... no. He just named the three most obvious scumbags on his wagon. That's a player that doesn't have an agenda.

Quagmire, on the other hand, has spent the whole game with an agenda. Not reading his PM is an agenda. Twinning MoS's policy vote (and again, I'd never played with Quagmire before, why would he policy vote me?) is an agenda. Refusing to answer questions is an agenda (though Peers is too lazy to answer one now, admittedly, not helping himself here). Note that Quagmire refused to asnwer the EXACT SAME kind of question, which is, "Do you think so-and-so is scummy?" Quagmire would not answer these questions either. Refusing to claim is an agenda. Voting Bookitty off-wagon is an agenda, allowing to switch his vote late on a wagon and make a difference. Maintaining this vote against all logic is an agenda.

What distinguishes the players on the Peers wagon from the players on the Quagmire wagon, is that the players on the Peers wagon appear to amplify anything that Peers do, and have a complete blind spot for Quagmire. Hasdagas, Setael, even Erg0, MoS, and Quagmire himself. Adn Zu_Faul to some extent.

See, this is why I policy vote you. You are not helpful to the town.

I have categorically refused to answer other questions that people have posed to me because I have no opinion on them, and if I do have an opinion on them, I would have either said it already or would have answered your questions. I don't have the time, patience, or desire to look through every single one of the posts that people request me to find and then force myself to have an opinion on them.

Peers, meanwhile, has dodged the question, never explicitly stating that he doesn't want to answer it. It sounds like he's trying to grin, look nice, and change the topic. Not that there's really anything wrong with this at this juncture in the game, but

the two situations are completely different.[/b] Like I said, I'm only voting for peers to save my own ass and if still alive tomorrow will continue to pursue Bookitty.

Also:

Quagmire, on the other hand, has spent the whole game with an agenda. Not reading his PM is an agenda. Twinning MoS's policy vote (and again, I'd never played with Quagmire before, why would he policy vote me?) is an agenda. Refusing to answer questions is an agenda (though Peers is too lazy to answer one now, admittedly, not helping himself here). Note that Quagmire refused to asnwer the EXACT SAME kind of question, which is, "Do you think so-and-so is scummy?" Quagmire would not answer these questions either. Refusing to claim is an agenda. Voting Bookitty off-wagon is an agenda, allowing to switch his vote late on a wagon and make a difference. Maintaining this vote against all logic is an agenda.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Yosarian2]

No need to mod prod me; I'm here, I'm here. I kept trying to post in this game last night, and Bluehost kapt shutting me down.

Also, I'm not sure why all the pressure on kscope has gone away. Why are people letting him get away with lurking his way out of trouble here? I'm also not sure why toaster strudel keeps wanting to prod me when some people literaly have not posted yet this year.

On another note, while I'm glad to see us moving in ANY direction without TS derailing any non-Quagmire wagon, I'm not entirely sure why people are suddenly attacking Peers. Could someone explain why they think peers is scum? Not that I've got anything against that wagon per se, but I would like to hear a case before he's deadline lynched tommorow here.

[Toaster Strudel]

I didn't say that I found little wrong with him not answering the questions asked to him, I just wasn't as forceful in wanting him to answer questions.

And why not? Why weren't you as forceful?

I still wanted him to answer questions, but it seemed like enough other people were asking him questions or telling him to answer the questions, unless I'm just remembering incorrectly. Did you find anyplace in my posts where I said that I didn't mind him not answering the questions?

The "enough other people" weren't enough to get Quagmire to actually answer the questions. That didn't bother you enough to add your voice to the chorus, or your vote for pressure?

No, you didn't say that you didn't minded Quagmire not answering the questions, mind the double negative. But as you surely know, "silence is acquiescence."

But you have, SEVERAL times, berated Peers from doing the same. And Erg0 (or was it Setael?) and MoS were also doing it. So... since other people were asking Peers to answer the question, why didn't YOU stop?

AND SERIOUSLY... why do you think Peers isn't saying WHY he finds Quagmire scummy? To cover up that he's scum? Why doesn't he start a whole case/rant against Quagmire? It would be in his own self-interest

regardless of his alignment

, so I believe that he is just a weak player, and an easy lynch, no matter why angle you want to take on it.

[Toaster Strudel]

I have categorically refused to answer other questions that people have posed to me because I have no opinion on them, and if I do have an opinion on them, I would have either said it already or would have answered your questions. I don't have the time, patience, or desire to look through every single one of the posts that people request me to find and then force myself to have an opinion on them.

Peers, meanwhile, has dodged the question, never explicitly stating that he doesn't want to answer it. It sounds like he's trying to grin, look nice, and change the topic. Not that there's really anything wrong with this at this juncture in the game, but

the two situations are completely different.[/b] Like I said, I'm only voting for peers to save my own ass and if still alive tomorrow will continue to pursue Bookitty.

That's because you are simply not playing the game, and otherwise stubborn as a mule - in contrast, Peers is a wishy-washy weak player, an easy lynch.

YOU are answering NO questions whatsoever.
PEERS is not answering in long detail the ONE question of why he finds YOU scummy.

[Toaster Strudel]

See, this is why I policy vote you. You are not helpful to the town.

That can't possibly be the reason. You policy-voted me without ever having played a game with me before.

[Bookitty]

See, this is why I policy vote you. You are not helpful to the town.

That can't possibly be the reason. You policy-voted me without ever having played a game with me before.

I got a good laugh out of Quagmire's post though. Since he's such a shining example of "helpful to the town."

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, Quagmire is to the town what the ring is to Gollum. MY PRECIOUSSS.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

7: Peers

(YagamiLight, Erg0, hasdgfas, Panzerjager, MoS, Quagmire, Setael)

6: Quagmire

(Battle Mage, JordanA24, TS, Bookitty, ABR, Peers)

3: Kscope

(Zu_Faul, Yosarian2, schismatized)

3: MoS

(Kscope, IH, Peers)

1: Setael

(Sir Tornado)

Not voting:

Currently Peers will be the deadline lynch

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sir Tornado needs to be replaced.

[zu_Faul]

@Bookitty:

As for KScope: Bangwagon jumping (at the beginning of the game I should mention before TS starts to yell) and not posting anything significant although being attacked (this does not only mean not posting at all, but also posting useless crap).

I'm sorry, this was probably easy to misunderstand. My apologies.
I accused KScope of Bandwagon jumping at the early stage of the game.

So... he posts very little, and sparingly, yet - there is a disprotionate amount of see-saw'ing and inconsistency that, frankly, strike me as leaning scum, rather than leaning town.

I don't want to contribute to the spamming in the thread. I think I have been quite consistent, voting for the same person for one-and-a-half months. Don't understand what you mean with "inconsistency".

[hasdgfas]

On another note, while I'm glad to see us moving in ANY direction without TS derailing any non-Quagmire wagon, I'm not entirely sure why people are suddenly attacking Peers. Could someone explain why they think peers is scum? Not that I've got anything against that wagon per se, but I would like to hear a case before he's deadline lynched tommorow here.

Have you been reading the thread? Post 1094, I think, is my main case against him. If that's not enough, then read his posts in isolation and see what you find.

[Toaster Strudel]

Vote Count:

7: Peers

(YagamiLight, Erg0, hasdgfas, Panzerjager, MoS, Quagmire, Setael)

6: Quagmire

(Battle Mage, JordanA24, TS, Bookitty, ABR, Peers)

3: Kscope

(Zu_Faul, Yosarian2, schismatized)

3: MoS

(Kscope, IH, Peers)

1: Setael

(Sir Tornado)

Currently Peers will be the deadline lynch

There are only two votes on MoS, Peers has moved his vote.

MOD: What time is the deadline?

Zu_Faul, Yosarian, schis, Kscope are conveniently hiding off-wagon, and not committing to either leading wagon. Why? Find out tomorrow.

[Yosarian2]

On another note, while I'm glad to see us moving in ANY direction without TS derailing any non-Quagmire wagon, I'm not entirely sure why people are suddenly attacking Peers. Could someone explain why they think peers is scum? Not that I've got anything against that wagon per se, but I would like to hear a case before he's deadline lynched tommorow here.

Have you been reading the thread? Post 1094, I think, is my main case against him. If that's not enough, then read his posts in isolation and see what you find.

Ummm...your post 1094 is mostly talking about page 1 of the game.

Is that really the best tell we have to work with now?

[Toaster Strudel]

MoS-scum, hasdagas-scum, and Setael-scum are really upset with Peers because Peers did not treat hasdagas's question: "Why do you think Quagmire is scummy" like an essay question, Peers only answered that it's pretty obvious from reading the game, and that was pretty much IT.

They seem to think that categorically refusing to answer any question at all, from anyone, and refusing to play the game, like Quagmire has been doing for the past 54 pages, is more pro-town.

I cannot understand that reasoning - the only explanation is that MoS, hasdagas and Setael are scum. I am beginning to deeply regret having softened up on hasdagas.

[hasdgfas]

TS: I didn't say that refusing to answer questions wasn't scummy. If you think that I am just going to go against my instincts, you are sorely mistaken. Just because I don't think exactly the same as you and don't spend the vast majority of my time talking about how Quag is scum doesn't mean that I'm ignoring Quag's actions. I would just prefer a Peers lynch to a Quag lynch right now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Told ya hasdgfas was scum.

[Toaster Strudel]

TS: I didn't say that refusing to answer questions wasn't scummy. If you think that I am just going to go against my instincts, you are sorely mistaken. Just because I don't think exactly the same as you and don't spend the vast majority of my time talking about how Quag is scum doesn't mean that I'm ignoring Quag's actions. I would just prefer a Peers lynch to a Quag lynch right now.

See, problem is, the "reasons" why you prefer a Peers lynch sound contrived and largely fabricated.

Don't worry, I'll probably be nightkilled, so that I won't be there tomorrow to bore you about how scummy Quag is. You can play with him until end game. Enjoy your win, scumbags!

Told ya hasdgfas was scum.

Yeah... will you ever forgive me? I can't believe I defended the guy. I soooo regret it now.

But hey. Maybe we'll kill him tomorrow, after 3 months and another 55 pages.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm almost tempted to vote Quagmire just to make TS apologize for being so damned hung up on him all day and then being wrong about him after spending the entire day derailing the town into focusing on him. But since voting for someone who does not look like scum isn't really useful, I won't.

[Peers]

*sigh* This town sucks...

Lynching Peers is bad for the town because he's the freakin' Doctor. Get your votes off of him, willya?

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm almost tempted to vote Quagmire just to make TS apologize for being so damned hung up on him all day

and then being wrong about him

after spending the entire day derailing the town into focusing on him. But since voting for someone who does not look like scum isn't really useful, I won't.

Sounds like you know this for a fact.

And who would know this for a fact? Scum, that's who.